Thanks to everyone for the attention on my version of the family tree of Daisy, as said on my blog I did not use a conventional method to "draw it", so I find it natural that there are elements that like and others do not, but I think that be a pleasant discussion material. The structure unwittingly became similar to that of the Brady family (The Brady Bunch) with three males and three females. In fact the thing gets more complicated we move away from Daisy as you can see from my family notes, so if you have any advice or anything else they are welcome.
I'm very curious as to where you go the name for Daisy's paternal grandmother from. I know the image is from Donald's Love Letters, right?
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Thanks to everyone for the attention on my version of the family tree of Daisy, as said on my blog I did not use a conventional method to "draw it", so I find it natural that there are elements that like and others do not, but I think that be a pleasant discussion material. The structure unwittingly became similar to that of the Brady family (The Brady Bunch) with three males and three females. In fact the thing gets more complicated we move away from Daisy as you can see from my family notes, so if you have any advice or anything else they are welcome.
I'm very curious as to where you go the name for Daisy's paternal grandmother from. I know the image is from Donald's Love Letters, right?
From one of the sequels of "Gone with the Wind" as you see I put the protagonists of the parody of the film as great-grandparents and I used the name of Scarlet's daughter as the grandmother's name because in the parody there was a great loyalty on the names.
I definitely see the appeal of making the Invader duck couple Daisy's parents ... it's unusual for insignificant background characters in Rosa stories to be ducks rather than dognoses (I also wonder about the very Donald-like painter in "The Sign of the Triple Distelfink"), and Mabel seems to have a very Daisy-like attitude. An Easter-egg cameo like that would be in keeping with Rosa's practice. However, I'm resistant to the idea mainly because I hate things being too coincidental; of all the people Scrooge could meet in his early days in Duckburg, he just happens to meet the future parents of his nephew's girlfriend? Has Rosa ever been asked about the couple?
I'm also intrigued by the curly-haired female duck appearing in "The Birthday Booby Trap"; she's clearly meant to be someone important, and yet goes unnamed and does not appear in the story elsewhere. I like the idea of her being Daisy's sister and AM&J's mother, though it would have been a stronger association if AM&J actually appeared in that panel. Of note, Daisy (and thus her "sister") are strongly implied to be related to Scrooge by the storyline here, but I don't think she is, really (even if her brother were HD&L's father, which I personally dislike, they wouldn't really be blood relatives, but I suppose the same could then be said about Gladstone and Grandma, who are also portrayed as Scrooge's family here). Scrooge also mentions a (male) cousin "Downy" here. Maybe Vera O'Drake or Sarah O'Drake's son, named after his aunt (Scrooge's mother)?
I agree that Mabel has a Daisy-like attitude. I'm OK with Mabel and her husband being Daisy's parents; I don't mind the coincidence. I figure Scrooge met lots of other people; this is just one encounter that Rosa *shows* us.
I haven't read the Booby Trap story yet (it's on its way to me), and I doubt it will make my headcanon. I still like the idea of the Unknown Character being Daisy's sister and AMJ's mother. Yes, that would have been easier to argue if AMJ had appeared in the scene or been mentioned in the story. (I can think of possible in-universe explanations: maybe the relatives/friends are aware that grumpy old Scrooge isn't really thrilled about having a whole bunch of children around. He's used to HDL, but adding AMJ more than doubles the effect. Go past three, and each additional child brings an exponential increase in perceived child-population.) Still, she's the only unidentified member of a group where everyone else is someone we know as central cast (for the purposes of this story, that includes Moby Duck and Dimwitty). Who else could she be?
In his entry, Xander Ares argues that it makes sense for AMJ's mother to give Scrooge a present, since Scrooge has a number of times helped/rescued/etc. AMJ. You could argue this even if you believe (as I do) that Daisy and her sister are not relatives of Scrooge's. I'll see when I read the story to what extent Daisy is treated as a relative of Scrooge's. I dislike it when she is referred to as Scrooge's niece--this happens, for instance, in one of the Brazilian "New Daisy" stories I have. Though I can live with her calling him "Uncle Scrooge," given her status as Donald's long-time girlfriend.
I agree that Mabel has a Daisy-like attitude. I'm OK with Mabel and her husband being Daisy's parents; I don't mind the coincidence. I figure Scrooge met lots of other people; this is just one encounter that Rosa *shows* us.
Another potential problem with the "Invader" Ducks being Daisy's parents is the timeline. Donald and Daisy are roughly the same age, correct? Mabel and her husband already seem older than Hortense and Quackmore, and closer to Scrooge's age, who is around 35 in 1902, when the scene in question takes place. Donald won't be born for another 18 years, and we've already remarked about how unusual it was that Hortense and Quackmore became parents that late, especially for that time period. The "Invader" couple would then have to be in their fifties when Daisy is born. Even if you argue that they're in their twenties in "Invader of Fort Duckburg", they'd be in their mid-to-late forties at the time of Daisy's birth, the early 1920s.
I agree that Mabel has a Daisy-like attitude. I'm OK with Mabel and her husband being Daisy's parents; I don't mind the coincidence. I figure Scrooge met lots of other people; this is just one encounter that Rosa *shows* us.
Another potential problem with the "Invader" Ducks being Daisy's parents is the timeline. Donald and Daisy are roughly the same age, correct? Mabel and her husband already seem older than Hortense and Quackmore, and closer to Scrooge's age, who is around 35 in 1902, when the scene in question takes place. Donald won't be born for another 18 years, and we've already remarked about how unusual it was that Hortense and Quackmore became parents that late, especially for that time period. The "Invader" couple would then have to be in their fifties when Daisy is born. Even if you argue that they're in their twenties in "Invader of Fort Duckburg", they'd be in their mid-to-late forties at the time of Daisy's birth, the early 1920s.
Daisy have sister/s so we may think that they are older being already married with children, this would make Daisy the younger daughter, so she is more likely to have had her in old age, an example my mother is the last of seven children she with her older sister have an age difference over twenty years old, my grandmother has taken part to almost 50 years of age.
I agree that Mabel has a Daisy-like attitude. I'm OK with Mabel and her husband being Daisy's parents; I don't mind the coincidence. I figure Scrooge met lots of other people; this is just one encounter that Rosa *shows* us.
Another potential problem with the "Invader" Ducks being Daisy's parents is the timeline. Donald and Daisy are roughly the same age, correct? Mabel and her husband already seem older than Hortense and Quackmore, and closer to Scrooge's age, who is around 35 in 1902, when the scene in question takes place. Donald won't be born for another 18 years, and we've already remarked about how unusual it was that Hortense and Quackmore became parents that late, especially for that time period. The "Invader" couple would then have to be in their fifties when Daisy is born. Even if you argue that they're in their twenties in "Invader of Fort Duckburg", they'd be in their mid-to-late forties at the time of Daisy's birth, the early 1920s.
They don't strike me as Scrooge's age. The way I see it, they probably married recently and moved out of their home town (Swanville, perhaps, since Daisy has an Aunt Matilda there) to start a home somewhere else, with Duckburg being an attractive option due to Scrooge having recently moved there. I guess Mabel does look a little bit older with the bags under her eyes, but I could believe that she's as young as 18. Also, this scene may take place in 1903, not 1902, since it is explicitly stated to be six months after the bulk of that chapter. Thus, if Mabel and her husband are 18 in 1903, then they would have been born around 1885, which would put them at around 35 when Daisy was born. Couple this with the possibility that Daisy has two or more older siblings, and I really don't see how it is implausible. I guess the main point is that you have to buy that Mabel and her husband are young. Her husband looks young to me. Mabel does look older, but maybe we could assume that she's just tired from a long journey from Swanville, hence the bags under her eyes and somewhat tired disposition.
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Yup, I'll go with Mabel looking older than she is because she's totally exhausted.
I was aware of the timeline issue BBJ raises, but thought we could fudge it believably. I'm the youngest in my family, and my parents were 38 when I was born. Oldest sibling is 15 years older than I. If Daisy's mother was 38 when she was born, then the mother would have been born around 1882, and could be 21 in the Invader scene. Anyway, we know that in general Rosa's timeline has his Ducks give birth at later ages than was typical for humans of the time.
One of my favorite later Strobl stories (can't beat Donald trying to lure cows back to a farmer by dramatically taste-testing the grass); though, unfortunately, in the English original, no actual name for Daisy's ancestor is given.
Come to think of it—the 1970s S-code stories had a running theme of Daisy herself being a traffic cop, often near Scrooge's money bin. It's a bit odd that they didn't frame this (concurrent) story by having Donald feeling peer pressure from Daisy herself, rather than from her ancestor.
I finally found a copy of O Pato Donald 235, so I'm pretty sure of the existence of Violeta a niece of Daisy, but it's a story reassembled and unidentified on inducks so if anyone has any other information about its origin I'd be grateful. Report serial number RD 235/2 - DE 124/20 you can see some images on my blog.
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I finally found a copy of O Pato Donald 235, so I'm pretty sure of the existence of Violeta a niece of Daisy, but it's a story reassembled and unidentified on inducks so if anyone has any other information about its origin I'd be grateful. Report serial number RD 235/2 - DE 124/20 you can see some images on my blog.
I'm having some not inconsiderable difficulty reading through this Google-Translated blog of yours — what exactly makes you think that your theorized "Diana Duck" is the mother of Dottie, Floretta and — apparently — Violetta, as opposed to AMJ? Of course, that rather suits me, with Rosa staying the mother of AMJ. But.
I finally found a copy of O Pato Donald 235, so I'm pretty sure of the existence of Violeta a niece of Daisy, but it's a story reassembled and unidentified on inducks so if anyone has any other information about its origin I'd be grateful. Report serial number RD 235/2 - DE 124/20 you can see some images on my blog.
I'm having some not inconsiderable difficulty reading through this Google-Translated blog of yours — what exactly makes you think that your theorized "Diana Duck" is the mother of Dottie, Floretta and — apparently — Violetta, as opposed to AMJ? Of course, that rather suits me, with Rosa staying the mother of AMJ. But.
The fact that AMJ's mother lives in an apartment in Duckburg according to Banks, while Dottie's mother, according to the Taliaferro stripes, lives on a farm in Honking on the Hudson.
Honking on the Hudson can be reached by train and Violeta arrives by train at Duckburg.
I'm having some not inconsiderable difficulty reading through this Google-Translated blog of yours — what exactly makes you think that your theorized "Diana Duck" is the mother of Dottie, Floretta and — apparently — Violetta, as opposed to AMJ? Of course, that rather suits me, with Rosa staying the mother of AMJ. But.
The fact that AMJ's mother lives in an apartment in Duckburg according to Banks, while Dottie's mother, according to the Taliaferro stripes, lives on a farm in Honking on the Hudson.
Honking on the Hudson can be reached by train and Violeta arrives by train at Duckburg.
Okay for Violetta therefore being Dottie's sister, but what about this Diana whom you're purpoting is their mother? Is she shown to live in a rural area, is that it?
The fact that AMJ's mother lives in an apartment in Duckburg according to Banks, while Dottie's mother, according to the Taliaferro stripes, lives on a farm in Honking on the Hudson.
Honking on the Hudson can be reached by train and Violeta arrives by train at Duckburg.
Okay for Violetta therefore being Dottie's sister, but what about this Diana whom you're purpoting is their mother? Is she shown to live in a rural area, is that it?
We know from Taliaferro that Dottie's mother lives on a farm in Honking on the Hudson, I found interesting a one-page story (INDUCK: I DMR 8-15 ) with a wife of a farmer (who lives in a rural area like Honking on the Hudson) who resembles the sister of Daisy seen in A Christmas Quackarol (INDUCK: I TL 1412 -A) and the ancestor seen in Paperino e i cugini di Ocopoli (INDUCK: I TL 2127-3).
A similar duck participates in a family party in Paperino e il segreto pasquale (INDUCK: I TL 1532-A).
The name Diana is fan-made, I borrowed it from the story Katrien & Co. (INDUCK: H 92116) where Daisy pretends to have a twin.
Post by Scrooge MacDuck on Mar 27, 2019 17:43:01 GMT
Ah, I see. Well, that seems like quite the well-rounded theory! Not quite sure about “Diana Duck” as a name, though it has a nice ring to it. What with Daisy and Rosa, I think I'd like for the third sister to also have a flower-related name; thus, like AMJ's month-based names, such "name triads" would be reimagined as a family tradition.