Found this channel on Youtube called JFHollobaugh ( www.youtube.com/user/JH49722/videos ). The guy who runs it does a good "Duck voice", and uses it to dub some old Donald Duck comics with character voices. Mostly short gag comics up until now, but recently he added a dub of Barks' "Terror of the Beagle Boys": www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M1E6MBKlrQ . Pretty cool to hear what Barks' dialogue would have sounded like in Donald's voice.
Post by Scrooge MacDuck on Nov 19, 2018 17:10:52 GMT
Wow! Extremely impressive! And definite proof that Barks's dialogue *can* work with Donald's quacky voice. The fellow who does Scrooge is an astounding Alan Young impersonator, too, though his voice is a bit drier — this feels a bit like a mix of the Young and McCrimmon voice, if you will.
Wow! Extremely impressive! And definite proof that Barks's dialogue *can* work with Donald's quacky voice. The fellow who does Scrooge is an astounding Alan Young impersonator, too, though his voice is a bit drier — this feels a bit like a mix of the Young and McCrimmon voice, if you will.
It is also proof that the entire "Duck" parts for ALL "Ducklike characters" COULD be dubbed using "ducklike speech", which would make a LOT more sense. And, that speech is fully understandable. I'd like to hear Daisy, Huey, Dewey, and Louie, Scrooge, Gladstone, and all the others speak that way. They should use them to go back and "fix" (retro-fit) all the old cartoons that have Ducks sounding like Humans.
If all the ducks sounded like Donald, then he wouldn’t be unique, in my opinion.
I agree. Although I'd say that, in short subjects where only few duck characters appear (Donald, HDL, Daisy) it works fine when everyone has the duck voice. But when it comes to longer films/episodes with more different characters, it should be given to Donald alone, to avoid too many characters having the same voice. It's important in animation for each character to have a distinct and iconic voice, and I imagine it's difficult to differentiate between different duck voices (I know that Nash did a slightly higher voice for HDL and Daisy/Donna, but the rest was identical). I cannot imagine how someone would be able to pull of, say, Magica De Spell with a duck voice.
Although, interestingly, Barks himself did envision Scrooge having a duck voice--but only when he's angry! When Barks wrote a script for the never-made animated Scrooge McDuck short, he described Scrooge throwing a fit at a rat trying to steal his money, while "spouting duck talk" at the rat. As for his "regular" speech in the rest of the short, Barks described Scrooge as having a high, shrill voice with a Scottish accent.
Daisy had a non-ducky voice as early as the 1940s, so there's ample precedent for confining the quacky voice to Donald. I am fervently opposed to giving Scrooge a quacky voice, not only because I want Donald to retain his uniqueness, but also because Barks himself enthusiastically approved of Alan Young; Young's voice is the "canonical" Scrooge voice as far as I'm concerned.
Daisy had a non-ducky voice as early as the 1940s, so there's ample precedent for confining the quacky voice to Donald. I am fervently opposed to giving Scrooge a quacky voice, not only because I want Donald to retain his uniqueness, but also because Barks himself enthusiastically approved of Alan Young; Young's voice is the "canonical" Scrooge voice as far as I'm concerned.
As for me, I'm a big fan of other ducks having semi-quacky voices, like HDL do in DuckTales Classic. I'm undecided on Daisy (I like to think she was born with a quacky voice, but her elegance demanded elocution lesson, and one My Fair Lady reenactement later we get modern-Daisy's melodious voice).
As I've said before, I'm a big fan of Young as an actor, but am somewhat bothered by his voice being too deep (I think the more high-pithced Philippe Dumat voice of the French dub influenced by feelings there). Tennant is closer to how I'd imagine a Duck (any Duck) would speak. Aside from that I'm fine with all of Scrooge's voices that I know of.
I don't think Gladstone should quack at all (I imagine him with a voice not unlike that of Dapper Duck in Legend of the Three Caballeros, if it was a littler higher; very soft and charming).
Fethry, on the other hand… maybe not a Clarence Nash-level quacky voice, but I'd definitely picture him speaking something like Daffy Duck. Noticeably nasal.
Daisy had a non-ducky voice as early as the 1940s, so there's ample precedent for confining the quacky voice to Donald. I am fervently opposed to giving Scrooge a quacky voice, not only because I want Donald to retain his uniqueness, but also because Barks himself enthusiastically approved of Alan Young; Young's voice is the "canonical" Scrooge voice as far as I'm concerned.
As for me, I'm a big fan of other ducks having semi-quacky voices, like HDL do in DuckTales Classic. I'm undecided on Daisy (I like to think she was born with a quacky voice, but her elegance demanded elocution lesson, and one My Fair Lady reenactement later we get modern-Daisy's melodious voice).
As I've said before, I'm a big fan of Young as an actor, but am somewhat bothered by his voice being too deep (I think the more high-pithced Philippe Dumat voice of the French dub influenced by feelings there). Tennant is closer to how I'd imagine a Duck (any Duck) would speak. Aside from that I'm fine with all of Scrooge's voices that I know of.
I don't think Gladstone should quack at all (I imagine him with a voice not unlike that of Dapper Duck in Legend of the Three Caballeros, if it was a littler higher; very soft and charming).
Fethry, on the other hand… maybe not a Clarence Nash-level quacky voice, but I'd definitely picture him speaking something like Daffy Duck. Noticeably nasal.
You can't be serious. Young's Scots brogue is terrific, but Scrooge is very old, and should have a raspy voice, which should always be on the deep side, rather than the rediculously high voice he used for him. Have you ever heard a real duck's quack? It is a nasal, deep rather than high sound. And I disagree that every Duck having a "quacky" voice would be a problem. Female characters should have a female "Duck impersonator" as the dubber. Several of the male Ducks can be different actors. I have met many, many fans over the years, who could speak in a "Donald voice", and did it just as well as the current professional "DuckTales" actor. The different people's different vocal tones and ranges would suffice to create differences.
I feel the video in the OP's a good effort that shows that with some more production, these stories could be easily adapted faithfully yet with the cartoon voices. Whomever made that video doesn't have the grasp needed on Donald's voice to act naturally with it, which is the main issue with it (notice any time a sentence has I or A in it), but on the other hand, the panel where he's going YEEEEEOOOOOOW is portrayed hilariously. Good job overall.
You can't be serious. Young's Scots brogue is terrific, but Scrooge is very old, and should have a raspy voice, which should always be on the deep side, rather than the rediculously high voice he used for him.
I'm not saying it makes actual logical sense, but my feeling is that it's weird for such little people as the ducks to have too deep voices.
I would never have described Young's voice as "deep," myself; maybe by duck standards, but by human standards it's a light tenor. Vocal pitch isn't the only important thing, though; to me, Young is perfect as Scrooge because he's great at being cranky, sarcastic,and manic, but equally excellent at conveying childlike eccentricity, an aspect of Scrooge that's a key part of the Barks character and that is lost too often by other authors--particularly Rosa. Tennant gets the crankiness, the manic behavior, and the sarcasm just fine, but entirely ignores the childlike side of Scrooge; he might be able to pull it off if the showrunners let him, but they're too dedicated to the concept of Ultra-Tough and Ultra-Cool Scrooge to allow him to be comically naive or throw a comic tantrum the way the "real" Scrooge might. Can you picture Tennant's Scrooge freaking out like a frightened child over an attack by the Terrible Beagle Boys, the way Barks' Scrooge and Young's Scrooge both did? Me neither.
Can you picture Tennant's Scrooge freaking out like a frightened child over an attack by the Terrible Beagle Boys, the way Barks' Scrooge and Young's Scrooge both did?
I can. I don't think the DT17 writers will give him such a scene, unfortunately. But knowing his other work, I'm confident that Tennant could absolutely pull it off.
None of this to pick on Young, though. As I've said, I do love his performance, for all the reasons you cite. Tennant is closer in vocal range to my headcanon voice for comic-Scrooge — but that has no bearing on my appreciation of Young as an actor, which could hardly be higher.
Welcome Justin. Nice to see you here on our International Disney Comics Forum. You were in fine form, as usual, on "Prisoner of White Agony Creek". Just as good as "Ducky" would have done it. I's nice when several different characters are played by different people. Keep up the good work. You've provided a lot of good entertainment for the fans.