Regarding Kildare, I have him on my tree as the child of Cuthbert and Mehitabel.
Kildare is supposed to be Donald's fourth cousin. And Mehitabel is a cousin of Donald, but probably not by marriage. There's also the fact that she's the first one Donald thinks of when he's put on the spot and tells a lie, so she's probably not super-distantly related to him.
Regarding Kildare, I have him on my tree as the child of Cuthbert and Mehitabel.
Kildare is supposed to be Donald's fourth cousin. And Mehitabel is a cousin of Donald, but probably not by marriage. There's also the fact that she's the first one Donald thinks of when he's put on the spot and tells a lie, so she's probably not super-distantly related to him.
That’s one interpretation. I interpreted it as Donald purposefully choosing a distant cousin so that the nephews would have a harder time verifying his claim. If he had said he lent it to, say, Gladstone, the kids could have easily rushed over to his house and called Donald’s bluff, but by naming a distant cousin that may or may not live nearby, (And, it should be pointed out, may not exist at all- Donald could have invented a cousin for the sake of his lie.) Donald would have made it more difficult for Huey, Dewey and Louie to debunk his story. Also, Mehitabel was never mentioned again. Make of that what you will.
Hello, I just thought I'd pop in and mention that I've updated my tree to include Grandma's uncle Eider, whom TitusMcDuck told me about. Uncle Eider is mentioned by HDL in Gold of the '49ers (W JW 13-02) written by Barks. We're not told whether he's Clinton or Gertrude's brother, but I made him a Coot since Gertrude already has a sister.
I also have a vague memory of somebody posting a panel from some story where we see one of Grandma's uncle... and I think he had some sort of association with bicycles or something... I don't remember if this was supposed to be Eider, so this tangent might be wholly irrelevant.
I know this is late, but as far as I can remember, no one responded to this yet. Anyways, I think the Grandma's uncle bicycle thing you were remembering is from this thread, though you may have found that already.
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The following isn't really Taliaferro-related, but I didn't know where else to post it.
I've been reading through old Barks stories, and in Pearls of Wisdom the Ducks borrow a diving rig from a "Cousin Coot". We never see this cousin, but the quote is: "You promised Cousin Coot you'd be careful with this diving rig!"
So, who is this Cousin Coot? The only candidate from the Barks- and Rosa trees seems to be Cuthbert Coot, but he's a cowboy, so I don't think he would have a diving rig that the Ducks could borrow.
I instead suggest that this cousin could be a child of Cuthbert, or alternatively, a child of an unknown brother of Fanny Coot. Or maybe it is Fanny Coot. Who knows?
The following isn't really Taliaferro-related, but I didn't know where else to post it.
I've been reading through old Barks stories, and in Pearls of Wisdom the Ducks borrow a diving rig from a "Cousin Coot". We never see this cousin, but the quote is: "You promised Cousin Coot you'd be careful with this diving rig!"
So, who is this Cousin Coot? The only candidate from the Barks- and Rosa trees seems to be Cuthbert Coot, but he's a cowboy, so I don't think he would have a diving rig that the Ducks could borrow.
I instead suggest that this cousin could be a child of Cuthbert, or alternatively, a child of an unknown brother of Fanny Coot. Or maybe it is Fanny Coot. Who knows?
Oh boy, this probably my biggest problem with Don Rosa's tree. Cuthbert was supposed to be Don's cousin, but the place Rosa gave him made him his UNCLE instead. I don't know if i call him "Cousin Cuthbert Coot" or "Uncle Cuthbert Coot"
That being said, in Webfooted Wrangler, Cuthbert's debut, his first name is only used once or twice, as i remember that he is called "Cousin Coot" by Donald and the triplets many times, so i would vote for Cuthbert, even though he doesn't seems fitting for it at first. It's unecessary to create new characters when an already existing one can fill the role
Wouldn't the phrasing "Cousin Coot" imply that Coot is the cousin's *first* name?
Not necessarily ("Grandma Duck").
There is one major difference I can think of. Donald has only one "Grandma Duck", but he may have several "Cousin Coot"s. What I'm saying is that if Donald refers to "Grandma Duck", it is immediately obvious who he is referring to, his grandmother with the surname Duck. If he says "Cousin Coot", well, unless he only has one cousin with the surname Coot, it's unclear, so, while I'm not against the idea that Coot is "Cousin Coot"'s last name, I don't feel like using "Cousin Coot" when Coot is a last name makes as much sense as using Grandma Duck.
Also, on the suggestion that "Cousin Coot" is Fanny, while that's certainly possible, I reckon that Fanny's current last name is "Goose". It doesn't have to be, but I figured I'd put that out there.
The following isn't really Taliaferro-related, but I didn't know where else to post it.
I've been reading through old Barks stories, and in Pearls of Wisdom the Ducks borrow a diving rig from a "Cousin Coot". We never see this cousin, but the quote is: "You promised Cousin Coot you'd be careful with this diving rig!"
So, who is this Cousin Coot? The only candidate from the Barks- and Rosa trees seems to be Cuthbert Coot, but he's a cowboy, so I don't think he would have a diving rig that the Ducks could borrow.
I instead suggest that this cousin could be a child of Cuthbert, or alternatively, a child of an unknown brother of Fanny Coot. Or maybe it is Fanny Coot. Who knows?
Oh boy, this probably my biggest problem with Don Rosa's tree. Cuthbert was supposed to be Don's cousin, but the place Rosa gave him made him his UNCLE instead. I don't know if i call him "Cousin Cuthbert Coot" or "Uncle Cuthbert Coot"
That being said, in Webfooted Wrangler, Cuthbert's debut, his first name is only used once or twice, as i remember that he is called "Cousin Coot" by Donald and the triplets many times, so i would vote for Cuthbert, even though he doesn't seems fitting for it at first. It's unecessary to create new characters when an already existing one can fill the role
Rosa did not make Cuthbert be Donald's uncle. He made him a first cousin once removed of Donald (some people would use the term "second cousin" to describe this relationship. Yes, he put Cuthbert a generation above Donald, but Cuthbert Coot is still Donald's cousin on the family tree and not an actual uncle, even if the term "uncle" is sometimes used to refer to older first cousins once removed.
There is one major difference I can think of. Donald has only one "Grandma Duck", but he may have several "Cousin Coot"s. What I'm saying is that if Donald refers to "Grandma Duck", it is immediately obvious who he is referring to, his grandmother with the surname Duck. If he says "Cousin Coot", well, unless he only has one cousin with the surname Coot, it's unclear, so, while I'm not against the idea that Coot is "Cousin Coot"'s last name, I don't feel like using "Cousin Coot" when Coot is a last name makes as much sense as using Grandma Duck.
Also, on the suggestion that "Cousin Coot" is Fanny, while that's certainly possible, I reckon that Fanny's current last name is "Goose". It doesn't have to be, but I figured I'd put that out there.
Oh boy, this probably my biggest problem with Don Rosa's tree. Cuthbert was supposed to be Don's cousin, but the place Rosa gave him made him his UNCLE instead. I don't know if i call him "Cousin Cuthbert Coot" or "Uncle Cuthbert Coot"
That being said, in Webfooted Wrangler, Cuthbert's debut, his first name is only used once or twice, as i remember that he is called "Cousin Coot" by Donald and the triplets many times, so i would vote for Cuthbert, even though he doesn't seems fitting for it at first. It's unecessary to create new characters when an already existing one can fill the role
Rosa did not make Cuthbert be Donald's uncle. He made him a first cousin once removed of Donald (some people would use the term "second cousin" to describe this relationship. Yes, he put Cuthbert a generation above Donald, but Cuthbert Coot is still Donald's cousin on the family tree and not an actual uncle, even if the term "uncle" is sometimes used to refer to older first cousins once removed.
I don't know. Calling Cuthbert Donald's "cousin" feels weird to me. I grew calling my mother's cousins "uncle" and "aunt".
Also, the cousin of a parent in Brazil is called "primo-tio" or "prima-tia", which means "cousin-uncle" and "cousin-aunt"
I don't know. Calling Cuthbert Donald's "cousin" feels weird to me. I grew calling my mother's cousins "uncle" and "aunt".
Also, the cousin of a parent in Brazil is called "primo-tio" or "prima-tia", which means "cousin-uncle" and "cousin-aunt"
I don't know how it works in Brazil, but the word "cousin" is wider in meaning in English than its Swedish counterpart at least. The Swedish "kusin" is means only first cousin, while the English "cousin" could be almost anyone who isn't part of "the core family". I mean, it could mean second cousin, third cousin, first cousin once removed, second cousin twice removed, eighty-fourth cousin 52 times removed, and so on.
So, what I'm trying to say is that Don Rosa was within his rights in making Cuthbert a generation older than Donald. He can still be Donald's cousin Cuthbert. As discussed in other threads, there are other more problematic things in Rosa's tree.
(I've never met any of my parents' cousins, so I don't know how I would refer to them. I'd probably be annoying enough to say "Hello, first-cousin-once-removed Bill!" or whatever.)
I don't know. Calling Cuthbert Donald's "cousin" feels weird to me. I grew calling my mother's cousins "uncle" and "aunt".
Also, the cousin of a parent in Brazil is called "primo-tio" or "prima-tia", which means "cousin-uncle" and "cousin-aunt"
I don't know how it works in Brazil, but the word "cousin" is wider in meaning in English than its Swedish counterpart at least. The Swedish "kusin" is means only first cousin, while the English "cousin" could be almost anyone who isn't part of "the core family". I mean, it could mean second cousin, third cousin, first cousin once removed, second cousin twice removed, eighty-fourth cousin 52 times removed, and so on.
So, what I'm trying to say is that Don Rosa was within his rights in making Cuthbert a generation older than Donald. He can still be Donald's cousin Cuthbert. As discussed in other threads, there are other more problematic things in Rosa's tree.
(I've never met any of my parents' cousins, so I don't know how I would refer to them. I'd probably be annoying enough to say "Hello, first-cousin-once-removed Bill!" or whatever.)
I call my mother's cousins "uncle" and "aunt", but that is because they are closer to her age. My father calls my grandmother's cousins "cousins" because they are closer to his own age rather than hers.
There is one major difference I can think of. Donald has only one "Grandma Duck", but he may have several "Cousin Coot"s. What I'm saying is that if Donald refers to "Grandma Duck", it is immediately obvious who he is referring to, his grandmother with the surname Duck. If he says "Cousin Coot", well, unless he only has one cousin with the surname Coot, it's unclear, so, while I'm not against the idea that Coot is "Cousin Coot"'s last name, I don't feel like using "Cousin Coot" when Coot is a last name makes as much sense as using Grandma Duck.
Also, on the suggestion that "Cousin Coot" is Fanny, while that's certainly possible, I reckon that Fanny's current last name is "Goose". It doesn't have to be, but I figured I'd put that out there.
Rosa did not make Cuthbert be Donald's uncle. He made him a first cousin once removed of Donald (some people would use the term "second cousin" to describe this relationship. Yes, he put Cuthbert a generation above Donald, but Cuthbert Coot is still Donald's cousin on the family tree and not an actual uncle, even if the term "uncle" is sometimes used to refer to older first cousins once removed.
I don't know. Calling Cuthbert Donald's "cousin" feels weird to me. I grew calling my mother's cousins "uncle" and "aunt".
Also, the cousin of a parent in Brazil is called "primo-tio" or "prima-tia", which means "cousin-uncle" and "cousin-aunt"
This is also a common usage in The English and Dutch speaking countries. Uncle and Aunt are terms of respect used for cousins in an older generation than yours. It was thought disrespectful to address someone in an older generation with a term that basically puts them in a wide group that implies they are at peer level with you. Uncle and aunt are also used as terms of endearment for very close family friends and Godparents who are not related by blood.
Regarding the use of Grandma and Grandpa together with that person's last name: It is common in rural societies that those 2 terms are widely used in addition to refer to the parents of ones parents, as a term of endearment, respect or acknowledgement of an aged non-relative, well-known member of the local community. Grandma Duck and Grandpa Duck were not only ways of Donald and his family members to refer to his father's parents, but became their "names" after they reached old age, as a term of age and respect in their rural community - which also became used that way in Duckburg city, through connections of people from one community to the other. We have real World examples such as Grandpa Jones, the famous American Hillbilly banjo player and Country singer, and Grandma Moses, the famous American painter, who took up painting at a late age, and whose art became a sensational cult item. Uncle and Aunt are also used that way in rural communities and small towns. An elderly person, who is friendly and well-liked by most of the community and, especially the children, will be called uncle or aunt, but it would be mildly disrespectful for those youngins to call him or her by their first names, so uncle or aunt are used together with their last name. That's also similar to calling someone "Old Man Jones", or "Old Dame Peters". I, myself, am sometimes called Uncle, or Grandpa (and I am not a grandfather) by people in The Netherlands, Germany, and Denmark, some of whom who don't know my family.
As to Barks' references to "Cousin Coot". I ALWAYS took that to refer to Cousin Cuthbert, assuming that he was, by far, the member of the Coot side of the family, most currently active in Donald's daily life (e.g. Donald has more contact with Cuthbert than any others of The Coots). So, I have to assume that Cuthbert either has moved to a new place which is nearer to the sea, because he has changed careers from ranching to sea diving, or he owns or rents a vacation home on the seaside, where he dives for a hobby. Because Cuthbert is a reasonably regular player in Donald's life, it would be awkward for him to refer to Cuthbert as "Cousin Cuthbert", and all other Coot 2nd cousins as "Cousin Coot", because, if used so, it would become a useless term, unable to differentiate one Coot cousin from another. So, clearly, ONLY Cuthbert is currently in Donald's life, and, therefore, Donald is referring to Cuthbert, when he uses the reference, "Cousin Coot". Personally, I would rather keep adding new, previously unseen, but always existing, members of The Duck and McDuck, and Daisy's "Duck" families, to help make the story of Donald more realistic, like an historical saga, rather than a single play. The Simpsons' cast is more realistic, and richer, than that of a book, film, or TV series for which the casts are never expanded in succeeding episodes. They tie a saga thread more tightly together than just throwing in outside new characters in each new episode, when needed for the plot, who never before had any connection to the main protagonist of the series.
However, in this case, because of the way Barks used the term "Cousin Coot", it is obvious that Donald was referring to Cuthbert. Nevertheless, that wouldn't stop me from introducing new Coot Uncles, Aunts, and cousins into The Ducks' lives.