In YD 62-05-18, Daisy calls Donna Duck "sister". It's not in a familial way, but I thought I would mention it anyways.
I know Don Rosa suggested the that two of them might be siblings, but I've never bought that. They introduce themselves to each other in YD 51-08-07, so they clearly don't know each other before that.
In YD 62-05-18, Daisy calls Donna Duck "sister". It's not in a familial way, but I thought I would mention it anyways.
I know Don Rosa suggested the that two of them might be siblings, but I've never bought that. They introduce themselves to each other in YD 51-08-07, so they clearly don't know each other before that.
Interesting, though, yes, it's not necessarily indicative of a familial relationship between the two. I feel it is worthy to point out that, despite not meeting until adulthood, they could still be siblings. Donna could be the child of Daisy's father from some sort of affair or earlier marriage. Maybe Donna (or Daisy) was put up for adoption at birth. I'm not saying either of these scenarios are likely or have a lot of support for them, but if someone wants to hold to both Rosa's suggestion and Taliaferro's canon (not that he intended for there to be any sort of canon), there are ways to make it work.
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Post by Baar Baar Jinx on Jul 13, 2019 1:59:07 GMT
Do we have a link to the exact comment Rosa made on the matter? Given Donna's universally acknowledged Latina background, and Daisy's apparent lack of the same, they would have to be half-sisters. Their having the same father, however, would at least make me feel better about them both having the same last name without needing to add yet another unrelated family named Duck (in addition to Donald's, Daisy's, Belle's and Dickie's). However, reading In the Taliaferro strip cited above, Daisy's reference to Donna as "sister" is clearly not meant to signify a sibling relationship (nor is it friendly, either).
I'm once again going to go on a non-genealogical tangent in this thread.
In ZD 59-10-18, Daisy mentions that she and Donald used to go to school together. This bothered me, since YD 40-11-04 (made by the same people) seemed to imply that Donald and Daisy first met when Daisy moved into Donald's neighborhood. That strip obviously takes place after both of them are out of school, since HDL are already living with Donald.
I know other stories have shown them together in school, and even kindergarten I believe, but it bothers me when a writer contradicts himself.
I just read YD 62-07-19, in which Donald has a flashback to his and Daisy's first meeting. They both seem to be around 5 years old or something like that. Needless to say, I'm not a fan of it.
In YD 62-08-17, Scrooge visits a fortune teller, who predicts that he will marry a beautiful girl and have four children. She does not, however, mention that this girl would have to be half his age, but whatever I guess.
Also, this is just a fortune teller, so I guess this post is just a waste of everybody's time.
(The kids could of course be Huey, Dewey and Louie... and maybe Webby? And who knows - maybe a story down the road will have Scrooge marry either Goldie or Brigitta? Bah, I'm trying to cover for a fortune teller - what has my life come to?!)
Ahoy! Okay, here's a bunch more: in YD 66-04-07 Daisy mentions her grandmother, who was an extra in a TV movie that airs late at night. There's no indication whether this grandmother is still alive or not. However, since the movie airs late at night, I would guess that it's not a recent movie. That doesn't help much, but I thought it was worth pointing out.
I also thought I'd mention that I found another instance of HDL referring to Daisy as "aunt", in YD 66-05-10. Note that he says "my aunt Daisy". It would be another thing if he simply said "aunt Daisy" as a formality, but that "my" implies that she is a relative. I don't like that.
Okay, finally let's talk about Grandma Duck. In mid-1966, Taliaferro draws YD 66-05-04, in which "Grandma Duck" reminisces about Scrooge's childhood. Curiously, she is drawn very differently to the design we're used to. This can be explained by the fact that Taliaferro hadn't drawn her in 5 years, as she last featured in ZD 61-09-03. However, it is still weird that she looks odd, and also that she knows about Scrooge's childhood. It was suggested in another thread that the old lady in this strip is actually Scrooge's own sister Matilda, which is a theory I like. She looks the part, she knows about Scrooge's childhood, and she is never referred to as "Grandma" in the strip.
Now, I looked ahead on INDUCKS to see how Taliaferro drew Grandma in her future appearances to see if this retcon works. In YD 66-10-21, we see another grandmother, this time referred to as "Gran'ma Duck" by HDL. This one doesn't match the "classic" Elvira Coot-Grandma Duck design 100% either, but I'd say it's closer than last time. I first thought "maybe this could be Hortense McDuck?". However, this grandma has eyes that are detached from her beak, and Hortense does not. So this might as well be Elvira Coot.
In YD 68-04-02 we see another grandmother with detached eyes. However, there's no indication that this one is Elvira. This actually seems to be Daisy's grandma (maybe the same one from the beginning of this post?). So no trouble here.
Taliaferro used Grandma Duck for the last time in YD 68-12-02, and it seems he finally got the Elvira-design right again. And this one is definitely Donald's grandmother. Hooray!
In YD 68-04-02 we see another grandmother with detached eyes. However, there's no indication that this one is Elvira. This actually seems to be Daisy's grandma (maybe the same one from the beginning of this post?). So no trouble here.
The fact that Daisy is calling her for cooking advice does point to this being Elvira for me; but the strip only has Daisy call her "Grandma" in much the same way that Barks's Scrooge calls Elvira "Grandma", in a way that could very well be unrelated to whether Daisy is actually Elvira's granddaughter or not.
Post by Baar Baar Jinx on Aug 30, 2019 12:48:32 GMT
In YD 66-10-21, the character is referred to as "Gran'ma Duck", which to me could only ever be Elvira. Although I do subscribe to the idea that Hortense was alive for a while after the kids were born and old enough to remember her (what would they call her though? Technically she would be "Grandma Duck", too. She couldn't be "Grandma McDuck". Maybe Grandma Hortense?)
I also agree that the Grandma in YD 68-04-02 is Elvira; Daisy always refers to her as "Grandma" (as do other characters not related to her).
YD 68-12-02 seems to strongly suggest to me that Taliaferro did indeed see these characters as human. Also, Grandma refers to Donald as "son", but as we've discussed elsewhere, nothing definite about their relationship can be drawn from that.
Okay, finally let's talk about Grandma Duck. In mid-1966, Taliaferro draws YD 66-05-04, in which "Grandma Duck" reminisces about Scrooge's childhood. Curiously, she is drawn very differently to the design we're used to. This can be explained by the fact that Taliaferro hadn't drawn her in 5 years, as she last featured in ZD 61-09-03. However, it is still weird that she looks odd, and also that she knows about Scrooge's childhood. It was suggested in another thread that the old lady in this strip is actually Scrooge's own sister Matilda, which is a theory I like. She looks the part, she knows about Scrooge's childhood, and she is never referred to as "Grandma" in the strip.
Oh, and ... we've discussed this on other threads too, but ... who's Scrooge's brother being referred to in this strip? It can't be Rumpus who was not raised as a McDuck. I guess it'd have to be Gideon or another hitherto unknown brother (or Cheeryble if you want to include him in your headcanon).
I still prefer to think of YD 68-04-02-Grandma as Daisy's grandmother. There's nothing here that prevents that reading. I mean, Daisy would call both her own grandmothers and Elvira 'Grandma'. And who's to say that one of Daisy's grandmothers aren't good at cooking too? Also, I just noticed that framed picture in panel 2. Now, INDUCKS only has a bad quality image, but he looks similar enough to Daisy's father from Donald's Diary to me.
Admittedly, I'm basing this mostly on my desire to put a face to as many of Daisy's relatives as possible. I fully agree with the fact that Occam's Razor would result in this character being Elvira. I might take this side of the argument at some time in the future - who knows?
On the topic of Karp and Taliaferro considering the ducks to be 'humans drawn as ducks', I completely agree. There have been strips where one of HDL goes to the dentist, and I just read one where Daisy broke a finger nail. I have also read a few strips where the Ducks eat chicken or turkey, without anybody calling them cannibals.
And finally, I'm in the Gideon McDuck camp when it comes to who Scrooge's brother is. It would be unnecessary for me to bring even more McDuck-siblings into my head-canon, and Gideon is already established enough to qualify.
Oh right, I found two more strips where HDL calls Daisy their aunt, YD 66-10-04 and YD 66-11-01. I'm gonna stop keeping track of these now.
There have been strips where one of HDL goes to the dentist, and I just read one where Daisy broke a finger nail. I have also read a few strips where the Ducks eat chicken or turkey, without anybody calling them cannibals.
And even a few where the Ducks have gone duck-hunting, without anyone batting an eyelid, let alone having an existential crisis!
Post by TheMidgetMoose on Aug 30, 2019 14:54:44 GMT
You've really done a good work with this thread, LP! I think you may now be this forum's resident expert on Taliaferro canon.
As far as who Scrooge's brother would be in YD 66-05-04, I, too, would lean towards Gideon. The two have a bit of a rivalry, don't they? Gideon may still hold a little bit of a grudge against Scrooge for getting him sick.
That gag about Daisy's skirt is really weird considering she doesn't usually wear anything on her waist. I guess it could be argued her "feathers" are actually just a really tight, short skirt, but since she wears that usually, I don't why Grandma would be amazed at something like what she wears in that strip.
Also, Donald did seem to express some concern about Fethry going duck-hunting in The Retriever, even saying, "I'm domesticated!" or something of the sort after Fethry points the gun at him. You could argue that Donald is just a human with a last name that sounds similar to "duck", and that he misheard, mistakenly believing that Fethry was going to hunt his kin, but I think the implication is pretty clear that Donald is, in fact, a duck.
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