There is, however, one thing that confuses me. This story shows Gertrude and Clinton as having two daughters, while in Rosa's Duck family tree (which the story is supposedly based on), they have one daughter (Elvira/Grandma Duck) and one son (Casey Coot). I'm not sure whether Casey is so much younger than Elvira that it would be possible that he was not born yet in this story. But do anyone know any other story where Grandma Duck has a sister? The two girls in this story seem to be identical in size (in fact, they are completely identical except that they have different hair), so I guess that they are twins.
As for Elvira having a sister (and no brother yet!), you’ll have to ask alquackskey! Why do you think Korhonen inserted the sister? Would the story have worked just as well if the second girl had been a friend?
Elvira actually has a sister according to W DAD 56-03. In this story, Elvira says that she is going to visit her sister in Duckburg. See a scan here. I doubt that this is the reason that Korhonen gave Getrude and Clinton two daughters, but at least there is some support for it.
Just an update on the general editorial agreement that there are female Woodchucks... I just noticed that over the last year (don't have time to look back to see exactly when this started) there's been a "Junior Woodchucks" feature of some sort in every issue of Journal de Mickey. And from what I can see from the illustrations shown on INDUCKS, most of these features have shown a female Woodchuck (not the same one every month) along with the male Woodchucks: e.g. JM 3692, 3693, 3697, 3698, 3699, 3700.
Just an update on the general editorial agreement that there are female Woodchucks... I just noticed that over the last year (don't have time to look back to see exactly when this started) there's been a "Junior Woodchucks" feature of some sort in every issue of Journal de Mickey. And from what I can see from the illustrations shown on INDUCKS, most of these features have shown a female Woodchuck (not the same one every month) along with the male Woodchucks: e.g. JM 3692, 3693, 3697, 3698, 3699, 3700.
You yourself pointed out the seeming first girl Woodchucks, in Gulbransson's 1984 story—with Rob Klein following up with Gulbransson personally (to the point where Gulbransson also believed he was the first to introduce them), and I've certainly seen nothing earlier since. A nice discovery...
For your information, I'm not sure if this was already mentioned in this thread but there are some female scouts in W MM 109-05 referred to as "Junior twitter-birds".
B 74217 also looks like it features female JW (or Chickadees, according to the description)
For your information, I'm not sure if this was already mentioned in this thread but there are some female scouts in W MM 109-05 referred to as "Junior twitter-birds".
B 74217 also looks like it features female JW (or Chickadees, according to the description)
Was that the only comic where Daisy's nieces were together with Donald's nephews in the Junior Woodchucks or are there more? Usually Daisy's nieces are in the Chickadees, separate from the Junior Woodchucks group, at least as far as I know.
On B 74217—we’ll have to find someone who’s read it to tell us exactly what’s up and who’s who in that one. The summary makes it sound like it is a JW vs Chickadees story. That could be true, with separate groups of scouts, only the writer or possibly the artist! decided to show girls among the JWs. Then AMJ might be Chickadees rather than JWs. Or maybe the story shows male vs female JWs and no Chickadees (no separate female scouting organization) are actually involved. But in any case, this story does apparently show female JWs so it seems that Gulbransson’s story may have been the first *European* appearance of female JWs.
As for the story from the USA Mickey Mouse comic: I wrote a long piece years ago on the Disney Comics Forum on the uniforms and organization names of female scouts in post-Barks pre-Rosa US Disney Duck comics. I can’t find it right now because my laptop is out for repairs, but I know that there was zero consistency from story to story, except that there were always male JWs and female scouts in separate organizations, mirroring the then-real world Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts. The girls’ scouting organization was called the Twitterbirds, Nature’s Princesses, etc. It’s possible the writers of those stories were not even aware of Barks’s Chickadees.
I suspect that the Brazilian artists and writers did not refer to the Chickadees at all in this story (but we would need confirmation of this from someone who has the story, I don't), and that AMJ and HDL are in the same troup of scouts as suggested by the splash panel.
Just so that you know, the rules for Junior Woodchuck appearance is slightly complicated, from the FAQ:
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Q: Huey, Dewey and Louie are different from Junior Woodchucks? A: Not really of course. But we treat them again as "different persons" because JW stories again are another kind of story than "normal" HDL stories. So essentially we index JW if HDL can be seen with their JW cap and HDL if they can be seen in their "normal" outfit. If they appear in both outfits in a story it's indexed as [xapp:HDL,JW].
Q: What about other Junior Woodchucks than HDL? A: Well, the character "JW" also includes all other JWs not mentioned separately. So if there's an officer or JW comrades of HDL they're not indexed aside "JW". This also means that "JW" might be indexed if HDL don't appear as JW but there are other JW character in the story. This should occur not very often though. Not included in JW for instance is the "Mogul", the duck-like JW officer known from Carl Barks, Tony Strobl and Kay Wright Junior Woodchucks stories. Also some characters of the Italian JW stories are indexed separately.
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It's possible that the Chickadees follow the same rule, so that AMJ with scout caps are indexed as "Chickadees" even if the Chickadees are not mentioned.
And for the record, JW(not HDL) is normally used when some JWs appear, but HDL do not appear with their JW caps.
Perhaps interesting in the context of this thread: in issue 1103 of the old Yugoslavian (link to the one in Cyrillic script), a 2-page game is reprinted (which might be an Egmont game by Jordi Sanchis) featuring the Junior Woodchucks on a hike, with Donald wearing a Junior Woodchucks cap, led by Captain Ramrod of the Chickadees. Her being the leader is also the case in the 10-page story Someone to Watch Over Me.
The BR page is explicitly mentioning the Chickadees and saying they're competing with the JW, hence there being two rabbits- it's to see who can find their rabbit first.
Was that the only comic where Daisy's nieces were together with Donald's nephews in the Junior Woodchucks or are there more? Usually Daisy's nieces are in the Chickadees, separate from the Junior Woodchucks group, at least as far as I know.
I just read a new XPW story, ”Duck Avengers [sic] & The Junior Woodchucks: Dark Halloween” by Giorgio Salati and Ivan Bigarella, in which they are Woodchucks. (Although the lazy translator didn’t care enough to check up their English names and kept Emy, Ely and Evy.)
I have my laptop back from the repair person, only to discover I might not have a file of the text of the long entry I wrote on DCF about the different female scouting organizations in American Disney Duck comics after Barks and the outfits the girl scouts wore. But I did find this later summation:
I don't believe anyone in American comics ever put girls in the Woodchucks--aside from John Carey's very sexist "Woodchuck for a Day", W JW 43-02, wherein April disguises herself as a Woodchuck (though you'd think her high heels would give her away!). In several stories in HDL JW and in Daisy and Donald, the Duckburg Girl Scouts are called Chickadees. In other issues of HDL JW, AM&J are in Scouting organizations called "Twitter-birds" ("The Great Twitter-bird Rescue" by Bob Gregory, W JW 47-03) and "Nature's Princesses" ("Rescue Squad", W JW 36-03 --despite the obnoxious organizational name, this may be the least sexist of the stories, which, believe me, is not saying much! Didn't it occur to anyone that girls might be reading these stories?). In Ludwig Von Drake 1, AM&J are in a Scouting group with the decent name of "Red Robins" ("Super Sales Girls", W LVD 1-06). My personal favorite of the names for Duckburg girls' scouting groups, though, is the early Barks' "Junior Bonfire Girls" (in "Kite Weather," W WDC 42-02)! For those of you in other countries: there was another Girl Scouts-like organization in the USA called Camp Fire Girls; in 1975 it was expanded to include boys, and is now called Camp Fire USA.