the fact that the Moon was conveniently FULL OF GOLD, THE EXACT THING DELLA NEEDS TO RETURN HOME makes it such an absurd Deus ex machina, it just baffles me.
Eh, that one is established comics-canon, though — The Loony Lunar Gold Rush, natch.
And while we're talking Barks space stories, the Moonlanders aren't any more out-of-place than Munchkale or the various aliens in The Interplanetary Postman, really. And even before his "wacky 60's" period, Barks had established life on his version on the Moon in that story whose title I forget where Donald has a rocket-race with a Pete-dognose-lookalike.
That's if the show hadn't already established it sort of shares a universe with Wander Over Yonder, anyway.
And besides, when the show has so many improbable sci-fi and fantasy elements already, why should aliens be where you draw the line?
This show is kind of like watching a really slow train wreck. Just when you think they can't go any further off the tracks than they already have...Della's story pops up, Rockerduck shows up as a competitor from Scrooge's past... The creators of this show know the comics and claim to be fans...but what in the world are they doing? The really strange thing is...I keep watching anyways and enjoying it. Except when I over analyze it.
Post by Scrooge MacDuck on Apr 27, 2019 8:55:24 GMT
Eh. Dislike the Della stuff all you like (I don't mind it as its own thing but I can see how it can let down fans), but I don't see the problem with new-Rockerduck; if one wants to keep Rockerduck and Glomgold as both "Scrooge's #1 competitor" in their own right, pulling one back in time a few decades is a very neat trick, and what with his name and all that, Rockerduck does feel right at home in the 1930's — though, perhaps, not the same 1930's that the episode is set to feature; Rockerduck should be a big-city gent. As for his design, it seems chiefly based on Barks's Rockerduck, which is perhaps a controversial decision, but certainly not a clueless-non-fan one.
"DUCKTALES: It is my surprised delight to announce that I will be the first human in history to voice JOHN D ROCKERDUCK, an obscure rival to Scrooge McDuck who debuted in a 1961 Carl Barks story and was then promptly forgotten pretty much everywhere but Italy, where Wikipedia tells me he is still super popular! All of this is actually true, and I am so grateful to get to literally embody an obscure cultural reference and look forward to being THE MOST FAMOUS VOICE ACTOR IN ITALY. Thank you @ducktalestv for putting me in this incredible mix. If you’re not watching DuckTales, I mean, come on. It’s great. Please watch “The Outlaw Scrooge McDuck!" next Wednesday on @disneychannel and @disneynow.
Also this technically makes me part of the MCU I think, so see you in Phase 4!"
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"DUCKTALES: It is my surprised delight to announce that I will be the first human in history to voice JOHN D ROCKERDUCK, an obscure rival to Scrooge McDuck who debuted in a 1961 Carl Barks story and was then promptly forgotten pretty much everywhere but Italy, where Wikipedia tells me he is still super popular! All of this is actually true, and I am so grateful to get to literally embody an obscure cultural reference and look forward to being THE MOST FAMOUS VOICE ACTOR IN ITALY. Thank you @ducktalestv for putting me in this incredible mix. If you’re not watching DuckTales, I mean, come on. It’s great. Please watch “The Outlaw Scrooge McDuck!" next Wednesday on @disneychannel and @disneynow.
Also this technically makes me part of the MCU I think, so see you in Phase 4!"
"DUCKTALES: It is my surprised delight to announce that I will be the first human in history to voice JOHN D ROCKERDUCK, an obscure rival to Scrooge McDuck who debuted in a 1961 Carl Barks story and was then promptly forgotten pretty much everywhere but Italy, where Wikipedia tells me he is still super popular! All of this is actually true, and I am so grateful to get to literally embody an obscure cultural reference and look forward to being THE MOST FAMOUS VOICE ACTOR IN ITALY. Thank you @ducktalestv for putting me in this incredible mix. If you’re not watching DuckTales, I mean, come on. It’s great. Please watch “The Outlaw Scrooge McDuck!" next Wednesday on @disneychannel and @disneynow.
Also this technically makes me part of the MCU I think, so see you in Phase 4!"
"an obscure rival" sigh
Well, he's technically right from an American standpoint, and he did acknowledge that Rockerduck is big in Italy. I was actually presently surprised by how accurate this post by this actor I know nothing about was (I mean, he acknowledges he got all his information from Wikipedia, but at least he bothered to look).
But ... "The Outlaw Scrooge McDuck!"? Is that the name of the episode Rockerduck appears in? It's not on the list of upcoming episodes posted earlier on this thread. And "next Wednesday"? The next scheduled new episode appears to be "Treasure of the Found Lamp!" on May 7th.
But ... "The Outlaw Scrooge McDuck!"? Is that the name of the episode Rockerduck appears in? It's not on the list of upcoming episodes posted earlier on this thread. And "next Wednesday"? The next scheduled new episode appears to be "Treasure of the Found Lamp!" on May 7th.
The list was changed at some point, though not in all countries (Friendship Hates Magic aired last Sunday in the Netherlands, in its intended slot). The Wiki page for DuckTales 2017 has the accurate episode list.
Okay, Fethry being a Junior Woodchuck is a novel idea that seems a bit out of place, but otherwise ... I more-or-less approve of what they did with him here. Fethry-17 seems to capture the eccentricity, obsessiveness, and passionate dedication of the original Kinney-Hubbard version, and the reference to wearing a cap "to keep his head warm" is also a nod to the comics, I believe. I would have preferred Tom Kenny use one of the higher ranges of his voice for the character, but it wasn't too bad. The character design, as I mentioned before, wasn't my favorite (too big a chin, not enough hairs poking out from under his cap, and not a fan of the chin hairs), but nothing major to complain about. Hope we'll see him again, although he seems to be a one-time character.
And Scrooge MacDuck was right, the name "Fethry" was pronounced in different ways by different characters. In fact it was hard to put my finger on exactly how it was most commonly pronounced. But I was glad it was always "Cousin Fethry", not "Uncle Fethry" even to the boys; a first cousin once removed is either "a child of one's first cousin" or "one's parent's first cousin". Both Gladstone and Fethry meet the second criteria with respect to HD&L, so both can be accurately called their "cousins" (this seems more accurate than "uncle", in fact).
I agree with Baar Baar Jinx on the treatment of Fethry in this episode (which I finally got to view). This Fethry more or less fits with the character of the Kinney/Hubbard comics-Fethry, in the ways BBJ specifies. The only thing that doesn't ring true is the idea that Fethry has been working on this underwater station for years--Fethry's obsessive fads were more fleeting. Also, in my mind Fethry was definitely not a Junior Woodchuck. But then, the JW organization in DT '17 is a group that is mock-worthy for its nerdiness, which means it holds a whole different role in the DT universe than in my personal Duckworld.
I also agree with BBJ on voice and appearance. I'd expect his voice to be higher, and I dislike the big chin and especially the chin hairs.
EDIT: Just read Monkey_Feyerabend's post on this episode, and I agree with him on why the strong chin is quite wrong for Fethry.
Well, this season's strong start just keeps going! Just saw the episode, and it was really good.
I know I'm in the minority here, but this incarnation of Flintheart Glomgold is the first and so far only version of the character I've ever actually liked -- I always thought he was the weakest and least interesting of all the recurring villains Carl Barks created; at first he's just "Scrooge but with no family" and then he becomes increasingly one-dimensional. Don Rosa liked using the character, but while some of the actual stories were good, he never managed to give Glomgold much of a personality beyond "ruthless." And other creators who used Glomgold just never used him well; even in the old Ducktales show he was completely forgettable.
This version of Glomgold has had a lot of people annoyed; they didn't like that he was "turned into a joke" and made into less of a formidable opponent and more of a delusional bumbler... but I didn't care about ever. For the first time ever, Flintheart had an actual personality. Kind of like Huey, the show exaggerated Glomgold to comical extremes, and in so doing created a different and in many ways more interesting character. This Glomgold is a study in stubborn obsession. His goal is to beat Scrooge McDuck at his own game, and if that fails, just beat him. Problem is that he wants to be clever about it, and he just isn't that good at being clever. He's a total fake in every possible sense of the world. Add to it that he tends to get some really funny dialogue, and you have a Glomgold that I, for the first time ever, actually appreciate and even look forward to seeing.
But this story added some depth and dimension to him. While I'm not usually a big fan of "amnesia" plots, here it was used for some character exploration, and upgrade Glomgold to "tragic villain" and re-insert some of his "formidable" edge without losing the comical edge. This is where we see just how thorough Glomgold's fake-ness is... and just as I've been saying all along: Glomgold isn't actually Scottish, he just pretends to be in order to "beat McDuck at his own game." He is South African... and he's actually Duke Baloney, with "Flintheart Glomgold" being an assumed name.
I have to admit, I like this origin for Glomgold a lot better than the one we got in Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck. In that story, Glomgold's inclusion just felt like an afterthought, like "oh, Scrooge once met Glomgold in his youth, and he was just as much of a villain then." Here, their first meeting feels a little more meaningful, with Scrooge inadvertently having started Glomgold off on his path of villainy and revenge. Granted, Duke Baloney did not seem like the most stable of ducks even before he met Scrooge, so it's not that unlikely that he would have turned to evil anyway, if all it took was being short-changed for a shoeshine job... but the revelation that Scrooge tried to give him the same kind of start as he himself had, only to have it backfire on him spectacularly, really adds something to their dynamic that wasn't there before.
Plus, it also shows just how Glomgold did manage to become insanely rich even though his schemes are so laughable: His first act of villainy was picking Scrooge's pocket and stealing his money... and that was an act he got away with; Scrooge didn't even know who the thief was before Glomgold told him many years later. This really confirms something we've seen hints of in the previous season, and that I think explains a lot about Glomgold: If he sticks to the simpler plans, they tend to work. It's when he gets carried away with being "clever" and begins overcomplicating things that he fails.
The animation of the show has defintiely improved. I noticed that the last few episodes of the first season really started having some impressive visuals and lively animation, and so far the second season has been consistently doing it even better. Louie's the highlight in this episode; he's really expressive here.
(Plus, hey! The first episode ever where Dewey didn't appear at all!)
I like your analysis of Glomgold's character and of his origin story here a lot. I wouldn't go for this version of Glomgold personally, but I appreciate your explication.
Like Pan, I much enjoyed Flinty's nightmare.
The whole shoeshine thing doesn't work for me dramatically even in-universe, but then, the way the dime is supposed to have motivated Scrooge doesn't really work for me, either. I particularly dislike the idea that Fergus engineered this (yes, I know I depart from Rosa there; but I hate most time travel stories, anyway, so it's easy for me to disregard Chapter 0). Does NOT make psychological sense to me that a person would be motivated to work hard by being shafted. Also, I hate what this means for Fergus's character. Since the Fergus/Scrooge origin theory of the dime doesn't work for me, obviously the replay-gone-wrong with Scrooge and Duke/Flinty doesn't work. Though in a sense, I feel that Duke's reaction is a more believable reaction (albeit exaggerated) than young Scrooge's is supposed to have been! What's not believable is adult-Scrooge's motivation to inspire Duke, since I don't understand how the dime is supposed to have inspired child-Scrooge. I have an alternative fan-theory about why the dime became important to Scrooge--mostly as inspiration to seek his fortune in America. I imagine he saw it as an intriguing foreign coin, not as a worthless, unfair payment. I think lots of kids see foreign coins in this light.
Does the idea of how the dime functioned as motivation for young Scrooge, either in Rosa's Chapter 0 or in DT '17, actually make sense to any of you?
Does the idea of how the dime functioned as motivation for young Scrooge, either in Rosa's Chapter 0 or in DT '17, actually make sense to any of you?
Actually, this was the first version I've seen of Scrooge's attachment with his Number One Dime, so I got used to that as the official one. I assume that maybe the fact that it was a dime from United States, which as far as at that time was known as the "Land of Opportunity" was what inspired him to go to America and make his money there. I was kinda surprised with people who don't like the idea of Scrooge's father making up the dime incident, but I can see why it doesn't work for them.
I agree with what Hyaroo said about the Glomgold episode: the shoeshine incident was a really clever way of establishing his obsession with beating Scrooge, and added a lot of depth to what I considered the silliest adaptation in the show so far. But I don't think I could see it work in the comics (at least not in the non-DT17 comics), because like someone said before, this version of Glomgold works exclusively in the animation. In fact, I got used to a lot of things that wouldn't work in the comics, such as characters and elements that only fit for the show, even when they differ a lot from their original versions. Their purely-evil-Magica-de-Spell, for instance, wouldn't fit in the comics: Magica was never as evil as Glomgold or Don Rosa's Blackheart Beagle, she wouldn't threaten an entire city for the sake of vengeance. But in the show, the elements are more exaggerated and more cynical in comparision with the comics, so I'm accepting these versions quite easily. Speaking of which, I'm not sure what I can wait from Rockerduck, who much like Magica, wasn't just an evil, rotten-to-the-core villain. He was capable of sabotaging Scrooge, commiting frauds and other corporative crimes, but he'd never sink as low as, again, Glomgold or the Beagle Boys. This is what actually makes him a more complex and interesting villain than Flinty to me; he's nuanced. How are they gonna portray him in the show? Is he gonna be close to the comics? Or just purely evil like Magica? So far, I've been willing to give the show the benefit of the doubt in the more controverse characters (Gyro, Doofus, Launchpad, Ms. Quackfaster, Doofus, Glomgold, Doofus!), so let's see what they're gonna bring us.
(yes, I know I depart from Rosa there; but I hate most time travel stories, anyway, so it's easy for me to disregard Chapter 0).
…Memory may be failing me, but I thought even Chapter I mentioned Fergus's trick? Been a while. And the events of the two stories understandably tend to blur together in one's mind.
Does NOT make psychological sense to me that a person would be motivated to work hard by being shafted. (…)Does the idea of how the dime functioned as motivation for young Scrooge, either in Rosa's Chapter 0 or in DT '17, actually make sense to any of you?
I think you don't quite grasp what I think Rosa is doing with the Dime, though admittedly he doesn't do it all that clearly. In Rosa's mind, there's three levels of motivation to the Dime. First, it is his first honest pay, and the first of many times he got a warm fuzzy feeling for receiving shiny coin in exchange for his skillful efforts. Second, being an American coin, it sparks the idea in his mind of going to the Americas. And third, the belated realization that Burt (supposedly) pulled a fast one over him adds a "but remember to be smart and not too trusting" layer on top of the already-established work ethics.
In other words, he's not "motivated to work hard by being shafted", which indeed makes no sense. He's motivated to work hard by getting paid for his work, and then motivated to be wily while doing by getting shafted. The issue, I think, is that the first-level use of the Dime (motivating Scrooge's work ethics) was so familiar to Rosa that he considered it obvious and immediately skipped to adding new depths to the proceedings, without considering that not everyone will have long-held childhood memories of Getting that Healthy, Wealthy Feeling.
At any rate, this is all only for Rosa. DuckTales 2017 simplifies this considerably: there, there is, AFAIR, no mention of the Dime being worthless or a trick due to its American-ness. The narrative DT17 tells is a considerably simple one where Scrooge didn't seem to be having any luck with his shoeshine business and Fergus sent him his first customer (Dime in hand) to ensure that Scrooge wouldn't get demoralized on his first day. Not only is it much simpler, but it makes sense within the scope of DT17's characterization for Scrooge: getting a customer on his first day was the first in the long line of easy successes that eventually get you the modern, "utterly blasé about being the greatest adventurer in history" Scrooge. Hence the reveletation that he didn't actually succeed on his own merits as a shoeshiner is felt by him a betrayal and a very great wound in his ego. (Of course, it therefore totally ignores the question of why Scrooge got paid with an American dime, but you can't make an omelet without breaking some plotpoints.)
What's not believable is adult-Scrooge's motivation to inspire Duke, since I don't understand how the dime is supposed to have inspired child-Scrooge.
From my understanding of 2017!Scrooge combined with what Angones has written about the scene on his blog, I believe the idea is that Scrooge really doesn't know what he's doing there. Seeing a young, hopeful, confident shoeshiner-lad determined to go dig for gold and become rich, he jumps to the conclusion that obviously, the only way another person could succeed would be by doing the exact same things Scrooge did at every turn, since Scrooge is always right and very good at what he does, haven't you heard?
Just seen "THE THREE CABALLEROS EPISODE" (yes, I know it has a title, but comeo on)
I will say this : ALL DONALD/SCROOGE STUFF in here is priceless! This is what was missing in the first season. I laugh out lout many times and it felt true to the characters... it was also nice to see Scrooge get some action near the end. More of that please.
Jose and Panchito while tad diffrent then "The Legend..." versions (Panchito is much smarter/less wacky) where pretty well represented. There are so many cute viusal homages to the oryginal movie and I like their interactions with Donald, especialy scenes that show them to be all equal/act alike - like the part where they are wistle whoever will pay the bill in the restaurant.
Oh, and they... THEY SING THEIR TRADE MARK SONG! With psychodelic style that very in the mood of the movie.
I realy like the part when they are siting sad and then just start taping legs and get into dancing - felt very in the spirit of the movie.
WHAT I DIDN'T LIKE was all the Dewie stuff... It just wasn't funny and there way and it was just way to much of it. I get it's a commentary on how people are more obsessed with puting their lives on instagram/facebook rather then actualy live it but it's a point their could make with just two or three jokes. Here it just felt like pandering to the point it got annoying how much focus its's taking away from the actual adventure. Seriously, you could replace Dewie with Mark Beaks here and I woudn't notice the diffrance.
The plot of the actual adventure was also very thin... Agian, this is one of those episodes that felt very sitcomish - A lot of talking and focusing on sidegags and then finally some action in the last four minutes.
Overall I enjoy the episode (minus the Dewie stuff) I just wish they would actualy gave Donald, Jose and Panchito more adventiure but I enjoy their interction just chilling it was fine for what it was. The brasilian music in the background was fantastic!
P.S. Maybe I mist it but they never used full names of the two other Caballeros in the episode, but their full names - Panchito Pistoles and Jose Carioca are in the end credits.
P.S.2 Oh, and Panchito say "The Three Caballeros ride again!" I hope all of Don Rosa fangirls have fainted...
I'm with you overall on this episode. The Dewey/Webby stuff got old fast. But the Donald/Scrooge interaction was funny. As Hyaroo said, it was abundantly obvious that all three Caballeros would turn out to be lying etc. etc., but the interaction among them when they were just chilling felt like a real friendship. And I also liked the visual references to the movie.