The show totally lost track during season 2. Now, it looks like a parody of the comicbooks and not an adaption. And still, there are no multi-episode storyarcs.
I don't see a Disney Duck TV show with daring adventures, all I see is a sitcom loosely inspired by Barks and Rosa and masquerades itself as fake "adventure".
Rockerduck's first animated appearance was so disappointing, just as Della Duck's return to Earth was very cheap and unsatisfying. Glomgold seems to be totally unfit to hold position as CEO of the second largest company in the world due his possibly low IQ score and pathological behaviour and Louie is far too unsympathic to be the main protagonist of this season.
The show totally lost track during season 2. Now, it looks like a parody of the comicbooks and not an adaption. And still, there are no multi-episode storyarcs.
I don't see a Disney Duck TV show with daring adventures, all I see is a sitcom loosely inspired by Barks and Rosa and masquerades itself as fake "adventure".
Rockerduck's first animated appearance was so disappointing, just as Della Duck's return to Earth was very cheap and unsatisfying. Glomgold is just a complete WAK now and Louie is far to unsympathic to be the main protagonist of this season.
This is very offensive. You should really edit this post and remove the slur.
Post by Scrooge MacDuck on May 23, 2019 19:44:25 GMT
I'm not sure if I would call it a slur per se, if it's not being employed on the mentally ill. Seems like it's just being used to mean "idiot". Still. An insult, and a wildly inappropriate one at that. I concur that you should edit the post.
The show totally lost track during season 2. Now, it looks like a parody of the comicbooks and not an adaption. And still, there are no multi-episode storyarcs.
I don't see a Disney Duck TV show with daring adventures, all I see is a sitcom loosely inspired by Barks and Rosa and masquerades itself as fake "adventure".
Rockerduck's first animated appearance was so disappointing, just as Della Duck's return to Earth was very cheap and unsatisfying. Glomgold is just a complete WAK now and Louie is far to unsympathic to be the main protagonist of this season.
This is very offensive. You should really edit this post and remove the slur.
Okay, I edited it if it's unfit for a message board about a family-friendly topic. Yet, I doubt that a cartoon character would care if he gets offended.
I'm not sure if I would call it a slur per se, if it's not being employed on the mentally ill. Seems like it's just being used to mean "idiot". Still. An insult, and a wildly inappropriate one at that. I concur that you should edit the post.
Glomgold is clearly mentally ill in this incarnation, but like I said, he probably wouldn't care if I call him what I did, since he's just a toon.
Back topic:
So, yeah, Glomgold bothers me, and Rockerduck more so. As said, Glomgold acts like a total lunatic in this show. I wonder how he managed to rise to the top and became second-richest duck in the world? In the first season, he was just very eccentric and funny. Now his personality was "flanderized" and he is depicted as quite unfunctional.
DT17 Rockerduck is even far worse, I would say this is the worst adaption from the comicbooks, because this version bears virtually no similarity with comics Rockerduck.
This is very offensive. You should really edit this post and remove the slur.
Okay, I edited it if it's unfit for a message board about a family-friendly topic. Yet, I doubt that a cartoon character would care if he gets offended.
I'm not sure if I would call it a slur per se, if it's not being employed on the mentally ill. Seems like it's just being used to mean "idiot". Still. An insult, and a wildly inappropriate one at that. I concur that you should edit the post.
Glomgold is clearly mentally ill in this incarnation, but like I said, he probably wouldn't care if I call him what I did, since he's just a toon.
Back topic:
So, yeah, Glomgold bothers me, and Rockerduck more so. As said, Glomgold acts like a total lunatic in this show. I wonder how he managed to rise to the top and became second-richest duck in the world? In the first season, he was just very eccentric and funny. Now his personality was "flanderized" and he is depicted as quite unfunctional.
DT17 Rockerduck is even far worse, I would say this is the worst adaption from the comicbooks, because this version bears virtually no similarity with comics Rockerduck.
Whether Glomgold would be offended by it isn't really the point - but I'm glad that you decided to edit your post.
Post by Scrooge MacDuck on Jun 4, 2019 10:05:42 GMT
If the Disney merchandise people do not make this a real product, they are officially idiots.
In other news, Angones shares our lack of confidence in Young Donald Duck; he says, jokily, that he remains convinced that if you're going to do 1980's-kid-Donald then his crew already did it as well as could be done, with Russi Taylor, in Last Christmas.
In other news, Angones shares our lack of confidence in Young Donald Duck, and remains convinced that if you're going to do 1980's-kid-Donald then his crew already did it as well as could be done, with Russi Taylor, in Last Christmas.
Maybe, but only as far as the '17-verse version of the characters, where Scrooge raises Donald and Della, and Duckburg is mired in the supernatural, go. I don't necessarily want to see a series set in Donald's childhood (occasional flashbacks in "present-day" stories are fine with me ), but surely there's scope for better comics-compliant efforts than "Donald Duckling" and "Young Donald Duck"? Gerardt's "Donald's First" one-pagers seem to be pretty well done (though not necessarily faithful to Rosa's view of things).
I'll admit, I'm fine with not being entirely faithful to Rosa's view of things. The man was a great storyteller, but there are a number of things I just don't agree with him on.
and how you tried to convince people the 3 Cabs show was preschool nonsense,
Gotta stop you there; your opinion of DuckTales 2017 is well-known, but as concerns the Cabs, he did no such thing. He very kindly gave us the first glimmer of official info after we'd all been going nuts trying to figure out if it was even real, and prefaced the post in question with a reminder that he had only seen bits and pieces of it and knew very little about it. In said post, he did say, very tentatively, that it was “maybe educational?”, which, if he'd only seen a few bits, seems like a reasonable enough speculation, but he certainly didn't call it "preschool nonsense". He appeared more bothered than most of us by the presence of humans as major characters, but that's the most negative he was about it.
Either way, whether you think he blundered with DT17 does not invalidate his opinions as a fan. It's quite possible that many a member of this site, if they tried to do an official Disney Ducks adaptation, would also produce something you disliked; but fans they remain, and as entitled as anyone to voice their opinion. The old "you're not allowed to criticize music if you can't compose" argument is at this point considered pretty widely to be a fallacy.
He can give his opinions as a fan when DT17 is done and dead, then. Right now, he's the head writer of the main product of this IP, criticising other people trying to use the IP, while himself utterly ruining it under his own hand. I won't back down on this, Angones can bug off whenever he talks negatively, and even often positively since he just says a bunch of nonsense (remember "we're only using birds, pigs and dogs since that's what Barks did"?), about anything Disney comics.
Maybe once he's done with this stuff, I'll believe he's having genuine opinions and not just trying to harpoon anything that's not his crappy show.
In other news, Angones shares our lack of confidence in Young Donald Duck, and remains convinced that if you're going to do 1980's-kid-Donald then his crew already did it as well as could be done, with Russi Taylor, in Last Christmas.
Maybe, but only as far as the '17-verse version of the characters, where Scrooge raises Donald and Della, and Duckburg is mired in the supernatural, go. I don't necessarily want to see a series set in Donald's childhood (occasional flashbacks in "present-day" stories are fine with me ), but surely there's scope for better comics-compliant efforts than "Donald Duckling" and "Young Donald Duck"? Gerardt's "Donald's First" one-pagers seem to be pretty well done (though not necessarily faithful to Rosa's view of things).
I agree. Last Christmas did a nice job on kid-Donald and kid-Della, but it's not the childhood scenario that fits with my comicsverse. Apart from the time frame (80's vs. 30's), one key issue, as you say, is who raised them. Scrooge (DT17), Grandma Duck (Donald Duckling, where she raises Donald but Della is nowhere in evidence) or their still-living parents (Rosa)? I was pleased that the Geradts one-pagers made reference to their living with their mother (though they didn't show her)...and bummed that that was changed to Grandma in the IDW printing of one of the stories. The thing that I don't so much like in Geradts' one-pagers is the idea that the whole adult central cast knew each other in childhood--that conflicts with various "facts" in my Duckiverse: the characters' relative ages, stories of how certain characters first met in adulthood. But Geradts apparently has no interest in continuity even between his own stories, which is his perfect right.
I don't follow Rosa in absolutely everything (cf. Fergus and the dime), but I do think that Hortense and Quackmore survived at least until Della and Donald were adolescents, possibly into their early adulthood. I don't think the Duckiverse needs another generation of orphans before HD&L. Nor do I think Scrooge would be much of a parent.
Scrooge (DT17), Grandma Duck (Donald Duckling, where she raises Donald but Della is nowhere in evidence) or their still-living parents (Rosa)?
Don't forget "Scrooge and Grandma, as siblings", as in From Egg to Duck. Irreconciliable with basically anything else, to be sure, but on its own terms I actually find it believable that together Scrooge and Elvira might have raised the Donald we know and love.
That aside, my favored interpretation is that Hortense and Quackmore were there to raise Donald, but lived on the Duck Farm, meaning Grandma was just as essential to his education — allowing Hortense and Quackmore to keep working full-time jobs without worrying about who was going to take care of Donald, which they very much needed, as, of course, Hortense's pride would not allow her to accept financial help from Scrooge even in the form of working for one of his company, which drove her and Quackmore further and further from central Duckburg as time passed and Scrooge's businesses grew.
In other news, Angones shares our lack of confidence in Young Donald Duck, and remains convinced that if you're going to do 1980's-kid-Donald then his crew already did it as well as could be done, with Russi Taylor, in Last Christmas.
Are you kidding? What a pompous buffoon. Regardless of the odd concept (no doubt the product of corporate meddling or other demands made by Disney for Donald's 85th anniversary comic), at least the upcoming story is written by *actual* Disney comic authors who know the material and respect it. Angones does a two minute Google search, gets just about everything cringe-inducingly wrong as a result (all in the name of "a reboot has to be its own thing", of course) and thinks that makes him an expert on these comics, and now everyone should turn to him for his sage advice, as the Grand Master of the Duck Universe. Blech.
I'm reminded of an interview he did a while ago where he regaled the hosts with some of his Duck comic "expertise", mentioning among other things that "the concept of Phooey Duck was created by Don Rosa, who is convinced that the inclusion of a fourth nephew is intentional and that's why he gave the character a name". I mean, that would already be a pretty stupid thing for anyone to say, but this is the guy who is currently running the most high-profile production with these characters in 30+ years. How can you understand and respect the source material if you've never had the attention span to read it in the first place (and apparently even his Google searches require too much reading comprehension to get right)? I cannot imagine how this show could possibly be in worse hands, that's for sure, regardless of how much of a Darkwing Duck fan he is (which for some reason he keeps using as a reason why he's the perfect guy to to a DuckTales reboot). The fact that he has the guts to criticize other people's (actual Disney comic professionals) work before it even comes out (pretty much exactly what happened with that Three Caballeros show) is pathetic.
Last Edit: Jun 6, 2019 17:45:49 GMT by Scroogerello