The fact that he has the guts to criticize other people's (actual Disney comic professionals) work before it even comes out (pretty much exactly what happened with that Three Caballeros show) is pathetic.
Firstly, criticizing Young Donald Duck before it came out is already what we were doing. Until I mentioned Angones, the consensus seemed to be that this looked pretty bad already.
Secondly, as I demonstrated above, he did not "criticize" Legends of the Three Caballeros. Just relay his feeling that it was based more on the old cartoons than on the comics. Which was, in fact, accurate. Less accurate was his assession that it was "perhaps educational", but if as he said at the time he'd only seen bits and pieces, one can see how he might have gotten that impression. At any rate he certainly didn't imply it wasn't worth seeing.
The fact that he has the guts to criticize other people's (actual Disney comic professionals) work before it even comes out (pretty much exactly what happened with that Three Caballeros show) is pathetic.
Firstly, criticizing Young Donald Duck before it came out is already what we were doing. Until I mentioned Angones, the consensus seemed to be that this looked pretty bad already.
None of the people here who have commented on it thus far a have any dog in this fight (or however that saying goes); it's objective people saying what they don't like and what they're expecting. In Angones' case, he is not only badmouthing someone else's work (which is already pretty rich on its own), he's praising his own work as the superior version--when he highlights the "mistakes" other people make and contrasts them with the way his show supposedly does these things better, he's essentially going "don't bother with these versions because I'm already working on these characters and my version is the best". Which makes him look like a bad sport with a colossal ego.
Secondly, as I demonstrated above, he did not "criticize" Legends of the Three Caballeros. Just relay his feeling that it was based more on the old cartoons than on the comics. Which was, in fact, accurate. Less accurate was his assession that it was "perhaps educational", but if as he said at the time he'd only seen bits and pieces, one can see how he might have gotten that impression. At any rate he certainly didn't imply it wasn't worth seeing.
I haven't found his exact quote about the Young Donald comic, but I do remember what he said about the Three Caballeros show, and I cannot be convinced to interpret Angones' tone as being neutral or objective. "More educational than entertainment-based", "no connection to the comics" (oh, the irony!) and "lots of humans everywhere" were clearly intended to dissuade "his" viewers from watching it, or at least to not-too-subtly demonstrate to them how his version supposedly did not make those mistakes.
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Firstly, criticizing Young Donald Duck before it came out is already what we were doing. Until I mentioned Angones, the consensus seemed to be that this looked pretty bad already.
None of the people here who have commented on it thus far a have any dog in this fight (or however that saying goes); it's objective people saying what they don't like and what they're expecting. In Angones' case, he is not only badmouthing someone else's work (which is already pretty rich on its own), he's praising his own work as the superior version--when he highlights the "mistakes" other people make and contrasts them with the way his show supposedly does these things better, he's essentially going "don't bother with these versions because I'm already working on these characters and my version is the best". Which makes him look like a bad sport with a colossal ego.
Secondly, as I demonstrated above, he did not "criticize" Legends of the Three Caballeros. Just relay his feeling that it was based more on the old cartoons than on the comics. Which was, in fact, accurate. Less accurate was his assession that it was "perhaps educational", but if as he said at the time he'd only seen bits and pieces, one can see how he might have gotten that impression. At any rate he certainly didn't imply it wasn't worth seeing.
I haven't found his exact quote about the Young Donald comic, but I do remember what he said about the Three Caballeros show, and I cannot be convinced to interpret Angones' tone as being neutral or objective. "More educational than entertainment-based", "no connection to the comics" (oh, the irony!) and "lots of humans everywhere" were clearly intended to dissuade "his" viewers from watching it, or at least to not-too-subtly demonstrate to them how his version supposedly did not make those mistakes.
The Young Donald quote that Scrooge MacDuck was referring to is, I believe, this one:
That aside, my favored interpretation is that Hortense and Quackmore were there to raise Donald, but lived on the Duck Farm, meaning Grandma was just as essential to his education — allowing Hortense and Quackmore to keep working full-time jobs without worrying about who was going to take care of Donald, which they very much needed, as, of course, Hortense's pride would not allow her to accept financial help from Scrooge even in the form of working for one of his company, which drove her and Quackmore further and further from central Duckburg as time passed and Scrooge's businesses grew.
Hortense and Quackmore were there to raise Donald and Della, then, on Grandma's farm? Unless you think Della is way older or younger than Donald. I don't remember whether you've explained your view on this here before. I've said that one of my problems with the Donald Duckling stories is the complete lack of reference to Della or indeed any sibling who could be HDL's parent. I can allow a Donald Duckling story into my headcanon only if one can see it as occurring in summer, when I can imagine Donald staying with Grandma Duck on the farm while his sister attends Chickadee camp...I believe Donald didn't make it as a Junior Woodchuck, and the Booneheads are too disorganized to run a summer camp.
Unlikely that Hortense would be working full-time in Rosa's time frame, as that was extremely uncommon for an American middle-class mother prior to WW2. Back in the day, a middle-class father could generally support a family on his salary alone. And there weren't many jobs open to married middle-class women. Not even the teaching of children--women teachers, like my very own grandmother, generally had to stop teaching once they got married. (Working-class or poor women, that's another matter entirely.) But no reason for you to be committed to Rosa's time frame, and I take it you don't place Scrooge firmly in the past in the way he does. The Ducks' present, for you, is a sliding "now". Do you think of Donald's childhood as occurring in any particular historical period? What sort of job do you think Hortense had?
The time frame also makes a huge difference in relation to the question of Della's marital status when she is HDL's mother. People who blithely say that she was probably a single mother seem to have no idea how deeply stigmatized that was in mainstream American society in the early/mid-20th century. I think either you have to say that this all happened much more recently, or you have to acknowledge that Della would have suffered a ton of opprobrium. I was just reminded of this by reading the historical novel Manhattan Beach. The only way the unwed mother escapes this constant censure is by moving 3000 miles away and pretending her husband died in the war.
Anyway, it will be interesting to see who is raising Young Donald Duck (and Della?) in the new stories. Or to find that out, from someone who actually buys them.
Hortense and Quackmore were there to raise Donald and Della, then, on Grandma's farm? Unless you think Della is way older or younger than Donald. I don't remember whether you've explained your view on this here before.
Oh, yes, sure. Perhaps one might explain her frequent absence from flashbacks to Donald's youth such as the Donald Duckling stories as her having been a very active and enthusiastic member of the Chickadees Patrol.
Unlikely that Hortense would be working full-time in Rosa's time frame, as that was extremely uncommon for an American middle-class mother prior to WW2. Back in the day, a middle-class father could generally support a family on his salary alone. And there weren't many jobs open to married middle-class women. Not even the teaching of children--women teachers, like my very own grandmother, generally had to stop teaching once they got married. (Working-class or poor women, that's another matter entirely.)
On the one hand, you're right from a historical point of view. On the other, do you think Hortense McDuck would gladly commit to being a housewife and let Quacky do all the work? Plus, I'm working off that flashback panel from an Italian story that was unearthed some time ago, you know, the one with a not-very-Rosa-accurate Hortense dancing with Quackmore, which pegs down the Ducks as having been, as a matter of fact, rather poor.
Quackmore likely worked a thankless, low-paying sort of office job after he left McDuck Industries; not entirely sure what an appropriate job for Hortense would be, I'd need to think about it, but there was something, and it was thankless and time-taking, and she worked it anyways, even more out of pride than out of need. I suppose it is possible that she simply worked on the farm — Gus is evidence enough that Grandma is willing to employ relatives but expects them to earn their keep all the same.
But no reason for you to be committed to Rosa's time frame, and I take it you don't place Scrooge firmly in the past in the way he does. The Ducks' present, for you, is a sliding "now".
No sliding involved; the L&T did happen at the dates Rosa set for it, and subsequen stories written by Barks and others to take place in the 1950's, 1960's and 1970's took place then. But for reasons best summarized as "phlebotinum gobbledygook", time kind of froze in Duckburg in the 1950's, such that the present day has been kind of on a loop ever since, with few of the characters aging, and none of them actually realizing what's going on. As documented in Family Ties, you know?
I've considered various possible in-universe explanations; I'm at this point content to let that explanation up to personal preference. Possibly it's magic, or a curse, or a malfunctioning Gyro time machine he forgot in his attic and never looked back to. Who knows? The point is that I therefore accept stories set in the 21st century without reneging a 1920's childhood for Donald and Della.
That being said, another important point is that I'm much less set than Rosa on the Duckverse's history being that similar to the real-world one. Technology advanced faster in the 20th century due to the abundance of eccentric geniuses, for example (i.e. Barks's 1940's rocket race to the Moon; Della's rocket mishaps as depicted in Family Ties). Ergo it may be that the same is true of social norms to an extent.
The time frame also makes a huge difference in relation to the question of Della's marital status when she is HDL's mother. People who blithely say that she was probably a single mother seem to have no idea how deeply stigmatized that was in mainstream American society in the early/mid-20th century. I think either you have to say that this all happened much more recently, or you have to acknowledge that Della would have suffered a ton of opprobrium. I was just reminded of this by reading the historical novel Manhattan Beach. The only way the unwed mother escapes this constant censure is by moving 3000 miles away and pretending her husband died in the war.
Though I haven't made up my mind on whether Della was married to HDL's father (I don't see why not), I'd actually be okay with the idea that, as a single mother, she did end up the subject of much mean-spirited gossip. Amelia-Earhart-Della as depicted in Family Ties doesn't seem like someone who cares overmuch about what people think of her; she'd think herself above the scandal. (To get fanficky for a moment, this could have driven a wedge between her and her somewhat more traditionally-minded parents, with Donald taking her side of the argument, which might explain why he doesn't seem to be in close contact with his mother and father even in the 1930's-1940's time-frame where we determined that Hortense at least may still have been alive.)
Anyway, it will be interesting to see who is raising Young Donald Duck (and Della?) in the new stories. Or to find that out, from someone who actually buys them.
No doubt I shall be able to report. Whatever my thoughts on it (I am not optimistic), I am very curious, in a morbid kind of way. Not to mention that A) I'm a completist by nature, and B) I kinda have an obligation to cover that nonsense on the Wiki whether it's good or not.
Hortense and Quackmore were there to raise Donald and Della, then, on Grandma's farm? Unless you think Della is way older or younger than Donald. I don't remember whether you've explained your view on this here before.
Oh, yes, sure. Perhaps one might explain her frequent absence from flashbacks to Donald's youth such as the Donald Duckling stories as her having been a very active and enthusiastic member of the Chickadees Patrol.
Unlikely that Hortense would be working full-time in Rosa's time frame, as that was extremely uncommon for an American middle-class mother prior to WW2. Back in the day, a middle-class father could generally support a family on his salary alone. And there weren't many jobs open to married middle-class women. Not even the teaching of children--women teachers, like my very own grandmother, generally had to stop teaching once they got married. (Working-class or poor women, that's another matter entirely.)
On the one hand, you're right from a historical point of view. On the other, do you think Hortense McDuck would gladly commit to being a housewife and let Quacky do all the work? Plus, I'm working off that flashback panel from an Italian story that was unearthed some time ago, you know, the one with a not-very-Rosa-accurate Hortense dancing with Quackmore, which pegs down the Ducks as having been, as a matter of fact, rather poor.
Quackmore likely worked a thankless, low-paying sort of office job after he left McDuck Industries; not entirely sure what an appropriate job for Hortense would be, I'd need to think about it, but there was something, and it was thankless and time-taking, and she worked it anyways, even more out of pride than out of need. I suppose it is possible that she simply worked on the farm — Gus is evidence enough that Grandma is willing to employ relatives but expects them to earn their keep all the same.
But no reason for you to be committed to Rosa's time frame, and I take it you don't place Scrooge firmly in the past in the way he does. The Ducks' present, for you, is a sliding "now".
No sliding involved; the L&T did happen at the dates Rosa set for it, and subsequen stories written by Barks and others to take place in the 1950's, 1960's and 1970's took place then. But for reasons best summarized as "phlebotinum gobbledygook", time kind of froze in Duckburg in the 1950's, such that the present day has been kind of on a loop ever since, with few of the characters aging, and none of them actually realizing what's going on. As documented in Family Ties, you know?
I've considered various possible in-universe explanations; I'm at this point content to let that explanation up to personal preference. Possibly it's magic, or a curse, or a malfunctioning Gyro time machine he forgot in his attic and never looked back to. Who knows? The point is that I therefore accept stories set in the 21st century without reneging a 1920's childhood for Donald and Della.
That being said, another important point is that I'm much less set than Rosa on the Duckverse's history being that similar to the real-world one. Technology advanced faster in the 20th century due to the abundance of eccentric geniuses, for example (i.e. Barks's 1940's rocket race to the Moon; Della's rocket mishaps as depicted in Family Ties). Ergo it may be that the same is true of social norms to an extent.
The time frame also makes a huge difference in relation to the question of Della's marital status when she is HDL's mother. People who blithely say that she was probably a single mother seem to have no idea how deeply stigmatized that was in mainstream American society in the early/mid-20th century. I think either you have to say that this all happened much more recently, or you have to acknowledge that Della would have suffered a ton of opprobrium. I was just reminded of this by reading the historical novel Manhattan Beach. The only way the unwed mother escapes this constant censure is by moving 3000 miles away and pretending her husband died in the war.
Though I haven't made up my mind on whether Della was married to HDL's father (I don't see why not), I'd actually be okay with the idea that, as a single mother, she did end up the subject of much mean-spirited gossip. Amelia-Earhart-Della as depicted in Family Ties doesn't seem like someone who cares overmuch about what people think of her; she'd think herself above the scandal. (To get fanficky for a moment, this could have driven a wedge between her and her somewhat more traditionally-minded parents, with Donald taking her side of the argument, which might explain why he doesn't seem to be in close contact with his mother and father even in the 1930's-1940's time-frame where we determined that Hortense at least may still have been alive.)
Anyway, it will be interesting to see who is raising Young Donald Duck (and Della?) in the new stories. Or to find that out, from someone who actually buys them.
No doubt I shall be able to report. Whatever my thoughts on it (I am not optimistic), I am very curious, in a morbid kind of way. Not to mention that A) I'm a completist by nature, and B) I kinda have an obligation to cover that nonsense on the Wiki whether it's good or not.
Ah, OK, I now have a clearer understanding of your sense of the Ducks' "present".
An unwed mother c. 1940 who raised her children would not only have to have been willing to dismiss others' opinions of her--she'd have to have been willing to let her kids live with the stigma of bastardy.
An unwed mother c. 1940 who raised her children would not only have to have been willing to dismiss others' opinions of her--she'd have to have been willing to let her kids live with the stigma of bastardy.
In my headcanon, I carry it over from the 2017 version of Della to the original one that she is not notorious for thinking the consequences of her actions all the way through. (Circa 1930, by the way, in my view of things which demands that the kids were already at least 3 or 4 by 1937, in time for the Taliaferro strips.)
But as I said, this is all very hypothetical. I think Della and James probably were married.
I'm one of those who subscribes to the theory that Della is a single mother, but also that the Duckverse is set in the '40s and '50s, as Rosa contends. I'm aware of the stigma that single motherhood would have carried then, and have factored it into my headcanon; in a way it's admirable how well-rounded HD&L have turned out despite the expected social ostracism they may have faced as a result of the circumstances of their birth (although living with their uncle, rather than with their unwed mother, may have alleviated the situation somewhat).
The Young Donald quote that Scrooge MacDuck was referring to is, I believe, this one:
Well, to be fair to the man, Angones isn't quite dismissing Young Donald Duck here, he's simply taking another opportunity to plug his show (unless there's another post by him on the subject).
I'm one of those who subscribes to the theory that Della is a single mother, but also that the Duckverse is set in the '40s and '50s, as Rosa contends. I'm aware of the stigma that single motherhood would have carried then, and have factored it into my headcanon; in a way it's admirable how well-rounded HD&L have turned out despite the expected social ostracism they may have faced as a result of the circumstances of their birth (although living with their uncle, rather than with their unwed mother, may have alleviated the situation somewhat).
True, once they're living with Donald their illegitimacy might conceivably be unknown...though only if Della had lived quite some distance away, I should think. And Donald would have to lie about it, to everyone involved including the boys. People Would Ask. I don't think the fact that they live with their uncle would help any with the social ostracism if their illegitimacy *was* known.
This all reminds me of the aesthetically second-rate but ideologically fascinating Katharine Hepburn movie "A Woman Rebels", set in the 19th century but made in 1936. KH has a baby out of wedlock, but her married, pregnant sister and the sister's husband both die (Major Melodrama!), and KH raises her own baby but leads people to believe she's the daughter of the dead sister. This only works, though, because the sister died and KH gave birth in Italy, while KH lives in Britain.
Anyway, I think Della and the boys' father were married. I don't like to think of Della or HD&L going through that trauma of stigmatization. I have similar feelings about Goldie, though she lives in quite different circumstances; that's one reason why I don't believe that Paperetta is Scrooge's grandchild. Though the more important reason is that if she were Scrooge's grandchild, Scrooge would be morally obligated to make her his heir, or at least one of his heirs. Not to mention the moral rights of Paperetta's mother, if she were Scrooge's daughter. I categorically refuse to believe that Paperetta is yet another orphan! I believe her parents are alive and well, just elsewhere, while she is attending college in Duckburg.
Sigh. I know this is way off-topic. Even if Della is a single mother in DT17, she's a single mother in the first decade of the 21st century. But then, this thread is a many-headed monster as it is. I wish we had set up separate threads for the different episodes, plus one thread for overall discussion of DT17. It can be a bear to find the discussion of a particular episode.
I'm one of those who subscribes to the theory that Della is a single mother, but also that the Duckverse is set in the '40s and '50s, as Rosa contends. I'm aware of the stigma that single motherhood would have carried then, and have factored it into my headcanon; in a way it's admirable how well-rounded HD&L have turned out despite the expected social ostracism they may have faced as a result of the circumstances of their birth (although living with their uncle, rather than with their unwed mother, may have alleviated the situation somewhat).
True, once they're living with Donald their illegitimacy might conceivably be unknown...though only if Della had lived quite some distance away, I should think. And Donald would have to lie about it, to everyone involved including the boys. People Would Ask. I don't think the fact that they live with their uncle would help any with the social ostracism if their illegitimacy *was* known.
This all reminds me of the aesthetically second-rate but ideologically fascinating Katharine Hepburn movie "A Woman Rebels", set in the 19th century but made in 1936. KH has a baby out of wedlock, but her married, pregnant sister and the sister's husband both die (Major Melodrama!), and KH raises her own baby but leads people to believe she's the daughter of the dead sister. This only works, though, because the sister died and KH gave birth in Italy, while KH lives in Britain.
Anyway, I think Della and the boys' father were married. I don't like to think of Della or HD&L going through that trauma of stigmatization. I have similar feelings about Goldie, though she lives in quite different circumstances; that's one reason why I don't believe that Paperetta is Scrooge's grandchild. Though the more important reason is that if she were Scrooge's grandchild, Scrooge would be morally obligated to make her his heir, or at least one of his heirs. Not to mention the moral rights of Paperetta's mother, if she were Scrooge's daughter. I categorically refuse to believe that Paperetta is yet another orphan! I believe her parents are alive and well, just elsewhere, while she is attending college in Duckburg.
Sigh. I know this is way off-topic. Even if Della is a single mother in DT17, she's a single mother in the first decade of the 21st century. But then, this thread is a many-headed monster as it is. I wish we had set up separate threads for the different episodes, plus one thread for overall discussion of DT17. It can be a bear to find the discussion of a particular episode.
Well, maybe we could set up different threads now?
True, once they're living with Donald their illegitimacy might conceivably be unknown...though only if Della had lived quite some distance away, I should think. And Donald would have to lie about it, to everyone involved including the boys. People Would Ask. I don't think the fact that they live with their uncle would help any with the social ostracism if their illegitimacy *was* known.
In my headcanon, Della is dead and the boys are orphaned until taken in by Donald. I know this clashes somewhat with the Taliaferro (and the cartoon-based) version of events where there is clearly a father and HD&L return home to their parents (until they return to live with Donald permanently at some point and for some reason), but I exclude those strips as having been written very early in the creation of the Duckverse, before the history and relationships of these characters was established (although I consider Taliaferro a canonical writer if he doesn't clash with Barks or Rosa). I'm not really sure how much HD&L know about their parental history; I think we mentioned on another thread that Rosa had the boys refer to themselves as orphans in one version of "Super Snooper Strikes Again!", although the reference was apparently removed in another version.
I can't subscribe to the theory that some have proposed, that their parents (or at least Della) are alive and well but that we just never see them, since all the stories take place when they're visiting Donald or Scrooge. That seems like a weak argument. Some have suggested that Della is in the military or in prison; that might work, but is harder for me to accept than her simply being deceased. As are Donald's parents, although I agree with you that they lived long enough to raise their children to adulthood and even see HD&L be born; in fact, I personally hold that the "Grandma" in "Donald Duck's Best Christmas" and the "boys' grandma" referred to in various early Barks stories ("Sales Resistance", "Maharajah Donald") is in fact Hortense, who died shortly before Christmas 1947, prompting Scrooge to seek out his surviving family after decades of estrangement. We've discussed all this in detail on other threads, of course.
True, once they're living with Donald their illegitimacy might conceivably be unknown...though only if Della had lived quite some distance away, I should think. And Donald would have to lie about it, to everyone involved including the boys. People Would Ask. I don't think the fact that they live with their uncle would help any with the social ostracism if their illegitimacy *was* known.
In my headcanon, Della is dead and the boys are orphaned until taken in by Donald. I know this clashes somewhat with the Taliaferro (and the cartoon-based) version of events where there is clearly a father and HD&L return home to their parents (until they return to live with Donald permanently at some point and for some reason), but I exclude those strips as having been written very early in the creation of the Duckverse, before the history and relationships of these characters was established (although I consider Taliaferro a canonical writer if he doesn't clash with Barks or Rosa). I'm not really sure how much HD&L know about their parental history; I think we mentioned on another thread that Rosa had the boys refer to themselves as orphans in one version of "Super Snooper Strikes Again!", although the reference was apparently removed in another version.
I can't subscribe to the theory that some have proposed, that their parents (or at least Della) are alive and well but that we just never see them, since all the stories take place when they're visiting Donald or Scrooge. That seems like a weak argument. Some have suggested that Della is in the military or in prison; that might work, but is harder for me to accept than her simply being deceased. As are Donald's parents, although I agree with you that they lived long enough to raise their children to adulthood and even see HD&L be born; in fact, I personally hold that the "Grandma" in "Donald Duck's Best Christmas" and the "boys' grandma" referred to in various early Barks stories ("Sales Resistance", "Maharajah Donald") is in fact Hortense, who died shortly before Christmas 1947, prompting Scrooge to seek out his surviving family after decades of estrangement. We've discussed all this in detail on other threads, of course.
Yes, I figured you meant that Della was dead--I still think the boys' stigma of illegitimacy would follow them, unless Della had been living quite far away so that people wouldn't know. And even then Donald would have to lie about it.
As you know, I'm with you on these issues more than not. Barks via Rosa, on the whole. I'm less anti-supernatural than you (Nessie! Harpies! Ghost McDucks!), though I dislike the DT17 "Gravity Falls" vibe. I care nothing about the cartoons, and virtually nothing about Taliaferro strips. My headcanon includes dozens of stories by people other than Barks or Rosa, but the stories have to fit into my Barks/Rosa Duckworld with only minor adjustments.
In my headcanon, Della and her husband are deceased. One friend of mine, a lifelong Disney comics fan now in his 60's, assumed as a child that the triplets' parents had died in WW2, since he knew several children who had lost one parent in the war. (Not clear how they both could have died in the war; they wouldn't both be overseas when they had children. Maybe Della was flying planes stateside and crashed? My mother's only brother died during WW2 on a test flight [Navy] out of New Jersey....) When Geradts' weird story came out, I was charmed by the "Della in space" plotline only because my godson in his childhood decided that HDL's parents had had to go on a mission into space to interface with aliens and save the planet (saving the Earth being the only reason weighty enough to excuse child abandonment in a parent). I thought that was fairly clever of him, to find a way to have them alive and well, not deadbeat parents, but effectively out of contact for the foreseeable future. That doesn't mean that Della and her husband are alive in outer space in my headcanon. I am curious to know what vague thought Rosa had in mind involving the boys' parents in Tralla La, but I doubt it could satisfy all the narrative constraints.
On the other hand, like you, I believe that Hortense and Quackmore lived long enough to see their children into their early adulthood, and probably got to see their triplet grandchildren before they died, separately or together. I hadn't remembered the link you make between Hortense's death and Scrooge's decision to reconnect.
Sigh. I know this is way off-topic. Even if Della is a single mother in DT17, she's a single mother in the first decade of the 21st century. But then, this thread is a many-headed monster as it is. I wish we had set up separate threads for the different episodes, plus one thread for overall discussion of DT17. It can be a bear to find the discussion of a particular episode.
Well, maybe we could set up different threads now?
I'd be pleased if we could start individual threads for each episode beginning with the next batch. I know the lines aren't clear, and we talk about what happens in one episode in relation to others, but I still think it would be easier to go back and look things up that way. Doing a search for the episode title doesn't always get you to the first post on that episode, and further discussion of that episode can be interspersed with other discussion. We could keep this thread for general discussion of trends and issues in the series as a whole, overviews of seasons, etc.
I was charmed by the "Della in space" plotline only because my godson in his childhood decided that HDL's parents had had to go on a mission into space to interface with aliens and save the planet (saving the Earth being the only reason weighty enough to excuse child abandonment in a parent)
Wait, that was your godson? The one Don Rosa mentioned in interviews? What a small world indeed!