Was there ever a story about Scrooge running for President?
I recall some stories where he or Donald would run for Mayor but this is waaay difrent. You would think he has enough influance and... well, money to pull it of.
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Post by Baar Baar Jinx on Oct 19, 2018 13:20:58 GMT
Unfortunately for him, he's not a native-born US citizen, and is therefore ineligible for the office (although most authors, especially pre-Rosa, may not have quite realized that).
Did Barks actually ever mention that Scrooge was a born Scot? I mean, for instance, I have a Polish family name, but was born to German parents in Germany.
Last Edit: Oct 19, 2018 14:07:08 GMT by sirredknee
Did Barks actually ever mention that Scrooge was a born Scot? I mean, for instance, I have a Polish family name, but was born to German parents in Germany.
He mentions what he was doing on the ship to the Americas in The Magic Hourglass, and his childhood in Glasgow in The King of the Golden River.
Did Barks actually ever mention that Scrooge was a born Scot? I mean, for instance, I have a Polish family name, but was born to German parents in Germany.
He mentions what he was doing on the ship to the Americas in The Magic Hourglass, and his childhood in Glasgow in The King of the Golden River.
In "The Magic Hourglass", Scrooge talks about having been a "poor cabin boy on a cattle boat" when he bought the hourglass at a "thieves' market in Morocco", but he never talks about traveling to America or being born in Scotland.
The only instance I can think of (besides "The Golden River", which Scrooge MacDuck already mentioned) where Scrooge mentioned growing up in Scotland is "A Christmas for Shacktown", where he recalls his childhood in Scotland with his uncle Jake, though I suppose that doesn't necessarily mean he was born there. However, in "The Golden River", Scrooge talks about his "native Scotland", so that's (as far as I know) the first and only time Barks mentioned Scrooge actually being born there (also, there's no mention of Glasgow in this story BTW).
Was there even a duck (or mice, btw) story with (excluiding foreign countries, and perhaps the Life and Times) some kind of political officer above the city level? [Well, in "The Swamp of No Return" there was entire branchs of government, but even these seems Duckburg only - forget; only in the Portuguese translation]
Last Edit: Oct 19, 2018 16:26:47 GMT by crazycatlord
Unfortunately for him, he's not a native-born US citizen, and is therefore ineligible for the office (although most authors, especially pre-Rosa, may not have quite realized that).
The only instance I can think of (besides "The Golden River", which Scrooge MacDuck already mentioned) where Scrooge mentioned growing up in Scotland is "A Christmas for Shacktown", where he recalls his childhood in Scotland with his uncle Jake, though I suppose that doesn't necessarily mean he was born there. However, in "The Golden River", Scrooge talks about his "native Scotland", so that's (as far as I know) the first and only time Barks mentioned Scrooge actually being born there (also, there's no mention of Glasgow in this story BTW).
Scrooge's "Scotch accent" is also mentioned in "The Swamp of No Return", suggesting that he at least partly grew up there, but it doesn't establish where he was born.
The only instance I can think of (besides "The Golden River", which Scrooge MacDuck already mentioned) where Scrooge mentioned growing up in Scotland is "A Christmas for Shacktown", where he recalls his childhood in Scotland with his uncle Jake, though I suppose that doesn't necessarily mean he was born there. However, in "The Golden River", Scrooge talks about his "native Scotland", so that's (as far as I know) the first and only time Barks mentioned Scrooge actually being born there (also, there's no mention of Glasgow in this story BTW).
Scrooge's "Scotch accent" is also mentioned in "The Swamp of No Return", suggesting that he at least partly grew up there, but it doesn't establish where he was born.
That's the way people talk when they are drunk! Personally, I have a White Lightnin' (bathtub Schlivovitz) accent.
Was there even a duck (or mice, btw) story with (excluiding foreign countries, and perhaps the Life and Times) some kind of political officer above the city level? [Well, in "The Swamp of No Return" there was entire branchs of government, but even these seems Duckburg only - forget; only in the Portuguese translation]
In his story, "The Gilded Man", Barks has Duckburg located in Calisota, USA, which implies that Calisota is a US state. THAT implies that there is a US Federal Government above the implied state government of Calisota, which, by logic, would be above the city government of Duckburg. But, in "The Terrible Tourist" WDC 248 (1961), he has a Duckburgian consulate located in a foreign country. So, we have to assume that Duckburg is a sovereign nation. So, we have to assume that some time during Huey, Dewey, and Louie's youth (time in elementary school), an independent, sovereign city state, of Duckburg, was taken over by USA, or became independent from USA.
Barks simply didn't provide enough information about "The Ducks" and their "Universe", to create a realistic picture that is logical, given that he portrayed so many contradictions.
Was there even a duck (or mice, btw) story with (excluiding foreign countries, and perhaps the Life and Times) some kind of political officer above the city level? [Well, in "The Swamp of No Return" there was entire branchs of government, but even these seems Duckburg only - forget; only in the Portuguese translation]
In his story, "The Gilded Man", Barks has Duckburg located in Calisota, USA, which implies that Calisota is a US state. THAT implies that there is a US Federal Government above the implied state government of Calisota, which, by logic, would be above the city government of Duckburg. But, in "The Terrible Tourist" WDC 248 (1961), he has a Duckburgian consulate located in a foreign country. So, we have to assume that Duckburg is a sovereign nation. So, we have to assume that some time during Huey, Dewey, and Louie's youth (time in elementary school), an independent, sovereign city state, of Duckburg, was taken over by USA, or became independent from USA.
Barks simply didn't provide enough information about "The Ducks" and their "Universe", to create a realistic picture that is logical, given that he portrayed so many contradictions.
The most consistent explanation is to assume that the USA in these universe is similar to the European Union: an union of independent city states ("Calisota" is probably only a geographic denomination to differentiate Duckburg, Calisota from Duckburg, Texas), each with its foreign police (the consulate of "The Gilded Man" and the embassy of "The Treasure of Marco Polo") and its army (it is very implied in "The Swamp of No Return"), but with a common currency and free circulation of people/anthropomorphic animals, goods and services (the characters regularly go to and from Goosetown and other cities without any sign of border controls, tariffs, difference of "nationals" and "foreigners" or need to exchange money) and mutual extradition (we can deduce this by omission - I did not read any story with the Beagle Boys going to Goosetown to escape from the police, then we can assume that Duckburgian criminals could be arrested in Goosetown).
Last Edit: Oct 21, 2018 16:22:54 GMT by crazycatlord
In his story, "The Gilded Man", Barks has Duckburg located in Calisota, USA, which implies that Calisota is a US state. THAT implies that there is a US Federal Government above the implied state government of Calisota, which, by logic, would be above the city government of Duckburg. But, in "The Terrible Tourist" WDC 248 (1961), he has a Duckburgian consulate located in a foreign country. So, we have to assume that Duckburg is a sovereign nation. So, we have to assume that some time during Huey, Dewey, and Louie's youth (time in elementary school), an independent, sovereign city state, of Duckburg, was taken over by USA, or became independent from USA.
Barks simply didn't provide enough information about "The Ducks" and their "Universe", to create a realistic picture that is logical, given that he portrayed so many contradictions.
The most consistent explanation is to assume that the USA in these universe is similar to the European Union: an union of independent city states ("Calisota" is probably only a geographic denomination to differentiate Duckburg, Calisota from Duckburg, Texas), each with its foreign police (the consulate of "The Gilded Man" and the embassy of "The Treasure of Marco Polo") and its army (it is very implied in "The Swamp of No Return"), but with a common currency and free circulation of people/anthropomorphic animals, goods and services (the characters regularly go to and from Goosetown and other cities without any sign of border controls, tariffs, difference of "nationals" and "foreigners" or need to exchange money) and mutual extradition (we can deduce this by omission - I did not read any story with the Beagle Boys going to Goosetown to escape from the police, then we can assume that Duckburgian criminals could be arrested in Goosetown).
The Beagle Boys can be arrested in Goosetown, because Goosetown lies inside Calisota. Your idea of each CITY in USA being an independent city state, and each having its own national laws and foreign relations is too far away from Barks' portraying Duckburg beinginside a state, of Calisota, which is, in turn, a state inside USA (which is closer to the real World. I prefer to ignore Barks' "Duckburgian Embassy and Consulate, and assume that The State of Calisota is an autonomous state inside USA, as a protectorate (similar to The Navajo Nation inside USA, with its own laws, courts, police force), which is somewhat similar to The European states within The European Union. It is not necessary to think Barks' USA is like ancient Greece, having only city states. There is no situation with no Barks contradiction. I prefer to assume Barks made a mistake by not having a Calisotan Embassy/Consulate, rather than Duckburgian.
Another possibility could be Calisota being colloquially called (specially in foreign countries) "Duckburg", by the name of its more famous subdivision (like Netherlands/Holland or USSR/Russia).
Another possibility could be Calisota being colloquially called (specially in foreign countries) "Duckburg", by the name of its more famous subdivision (like Netherlands/Holland or USSR/Russia).
That is a possibility, but also not too useful, as "Holland" was a "county", run by a count, - and the 2 provinces of Noord Holland and Zuid Holland, are large land areas surrounding Amsterdam and Den Haag, NOT just the metropolitan area of one, important city. Within Calisota, Duckburg has yet another level of government between its city government, and its state government (of Calisota). THAT is the county (which is equivalent in size, to the provinces in The Netherlands. I contend that Duckburg lies in "Duck County", as shown by Barks in two stories, but, he also showed that Duckburg likely lay in "Webfoot County" in another story. In any case, it makes little sense that foreigners would start calling Calisota "Duckburg". That would have been akin to foreigners calling The Kingdom of The United Netherlands "Amsterdam". Which is too far ( too many levels of size and importance, off) from what would be likely to happen. Calling a smaller governmental division of land which has still includes many cities and towns inside it, plus very much rural land, and has a relatively homogeneous population with a similar language and culture a "nation", and calling a city, located inside an extended area with an assigned government for that overall area, including that city, a "nation", is NOT logical. "Holland ad been a sovereign state with a single government ruling it, and an identifiable culture and language dialect covering its area. Duckburg is just a city within a county, which is also within a state, neither of which have their own speech dialect or culture. Given that they are inside USA, EVEN Calisota probably doesn't have its own language dialect or "culture", distinct enough from the rest of USA to have foreigners treat it like its own nation. If anyone would somehow see a Los Angeles Embassy in Ecuador, they would have to believe that The City of Los Angeles won a successful war of liberation against USA, and set up its own nation, which was recognised by at least several countries (the country in which it is encountered in this hypothetical case among them).
Actually, If one encountered a Los Angeles Embassy in another country, he or she should realise he or she is drunk, hallucinating, dreaming, or has lost his/her mind. I believe strongly that the best way to live with Barks' contradictions here is to assume that he should have stated that the two embassies represented Calisota, rather than Duckburg. I'm not sure why Barks felt compelled to place Duckburg inside USA in "The Gilded Man". It only causes problems.