Hi I have a question: the ducks' descendants can be part of the family tree?
We have Donald's son from How to Have an Accident at Work on the tree, so I believe we decided that descendants from after "the present" do belong on the tree. The exception would be if they are from some sort of alternate universe, a dream, or aborted timeline. Technically, we should have Chip Gearloose - Gyro's descendant from Into The Future - on the tree too.
Do you know of any Duck descendants who belong on the family tree?
Hi I have a question: the ducks' descendants can be part of the family tree?
We have Donald's son from How to Have an Accident at Work on the tree, so I believe we decided that descendants from after "the present" do belong on the tree. The exception would be if they are from some sort of alternate universe, a dream, or aborted timeline. Technically, we should have Chip Gearloose - Gyro's descendant from Into The Future - on the tree too.
Do you know of any Duck descendants who belong on the family tree?
Hi I have a question: the ducks' descendants can be part of the family tree?
We have Donald's son from How to Have an Accident at Work on the tree, so I believe we decided that descendants from after "the present" do belong on the tree. The exception would be if they are from some sort of alternate universe, a dream, or aborted timeline. Technically, we should have Chip Gearloose - Gyro's descendant from Into The Future - on the tree too.
Yeah, it might indeed be most consistent to add these descendants from the future like Chip also to the tree, just as Donald's son. I could do that with the next update.
Neat! From what I can gather, Quantum refers to Gyro as his "great-great-granduncle" in this panel - not g-g-g-grandson.
Here are a few more images of Quantum for future reference:
Anyways, the English version of the story featuring Chip has him originating from 3007. I don't know if this is the year they used in other languages.
At any rate, Chip describes Gyro as his ancestor. We don't know whether Gyro is his direct ancestor (a.k.a. g-g-g-(many more g's)-grandfather), or if he is simply a g-g-g-(many more g's)-granduncle). If we assume the latter, the 2999 and 3007 dates would line up pretty well for them to be father and son; especially since Quantum looks about Gyro's age and Chip looks a bit younger (although that might simply be the lack of spectacles).
In the current iteration of the tree, Drago the Dragon from Exit the Dragon is separated from the McDucks by several generations. However, Exit the Dragon states that he himself married into the McDuck clan and took their surname as his own. Thus, he should be married to a female McDuck - presumably Sir Eider McDuck's grandmother.
In the current iteration of the tree, Drago the Dragon from Exit the Dragon is separated from the McDucks by several generations. However, Exit the Dragon states that he himself married into the McDuck clan and took their surname as his own. Thus, he should be married to a female McDuck - presumably Sir Eider McDuck's grandmother.
In the (original) Dutch version of the story, there isn't any mention of the McDuck clan. Actually, the text on the same panel is quite different than in the English translation. It just says that he let build a castle in Scotland where he lived the last years of his life. He says that it cost him a lot of money, but that it is worth to have a house of your own that nobody can intrude. So, it doesn't even say that he married or so. Here is a scan of the Dutch panel.
So, the change you propose wouldn't contradict the Dutch version, but neither does his current position on the tree.
In the current iteration of the tree, Drago the Dragon from Exit the Dragon is separated from the McDucks by several generations. However, Exit the Dragon states that he himself married into the McDuck clan and took their surname as his own. Thus, he should be married to a female McDuck - presumably Sir Eider McDuck's grandmother.
In the (original) Dutch version of the story, there isn't any mention of the McDuck clan. Actually, the text on the same panel is quite different than in the English translation. It just says that he let build a castle in Scotland where he lived the last years of his life. He says that it cost him a lot of money, but that it is worth to have a house of your own that nobody can intrude. So, it doesn't even say that he married or so. Here is a scan of the Dutch panel.
So, the change you propose wouldn't contradict the Dutch version, but neither does his current position on the tree.
It should still be noted that the castle depicted here is the spitting image of Castle McDuck as depicted in the stories of Barks and Rosa, though.
It should still be noted that the castle depicted here is the spitting image of Castle McDuck as depicted in the stories of Barks and Rosa, though.
And that's why we localized the story the way that we did. (It was so obviously Castle McDuck—and there was the open question of how a Nordic Viking was a relative, so it seemed self-evident that he married into the clan.)
It should still be noted that the castle depicted here is the spitting image of Castle McDuck as depicted in the stories of Barks and Rosa, though.
And that's why we localized the story the way that we did. (It was so obviously Castle McDuck—and there was the open question of how a Nordic Viking was a relative, so it seemed self-evident that he married into the clan.)
And I heartfully agree with that choice, which enriches the lore! I actually wish the French version had been translated from your localization rather than the original. (And yes, I know translating a translation constitutes heresy, but in this case, I'll make an exception.)
Last Edit: Apr 10, 2024 17:54:16 GMT by juicymcduck
In the current iteration of the tree, Drago the Dragon from Exit the Dragon is separated from the McDucks by several generations. However, Exit the Dragon states that he himself married into the McDuck clan and took their surname as his own. Thus, he should be married to a female McDuck - presumably Sir Eider McDuck's grandmother.
In the (original) Dutch version of the story, there isn't any mention of the McDuck clan. Actually, the text on the same panel is quite different than in the English translation. It just says that he let build a castle in Scotland where he lived the last years of his life. He says that it cost him a lot of money, but that it is worth to have a house of your own that nobody can intrude. So, it doesn't even say that he married or so. Here is a scan of the Dutch panel.
So, the change you propose wouldn't contradict the Dutch version, but neither does his current position on the tree.
I see. Interesting! Still - since the English translation's genealogy doesn't contradict the original, I think it would be best to follow it. Especially since (as others have mentioned) the castle is clearly Castle MacDuich and the added context of the translation makes a lot of sense. Drago marrying a MacDuich would be compatible with both the original and the English translation.
Also as a side-note: The English version seems to imply that Castle MacDuich is already built when Drago arrives in the year 901. However, the original version held that Drago is the one who had it built. I find this interesting, since I have wondered about the castle's origin. As far as I know, no other story has explored this. However, using information from both versions of this Drago-story would tell us who built the castle and when. I just think that's neat!
I'm currently waist-deep in Walt Disney's (Mickey Mouse Club) Magazine, a bi-monthly created at Disney for Western between 1956 and 1959. It features much of Disney's top-level talent from that time, and is edited by the same folks who oversaw Barks' work. The magazine constantly crosses over between fact and fiction, with many an informative article being written from an invented character's point-of-view, and fictional accounts of Disney movies presented as true by the heroes that feature in them. Mickey and Minnie serve as honorary editors.
Now why is this relevant to this thread? The April 1957 issue has an article called "A Gallery of Ducks" on the "Gallery of Old Masters" series of paintings that were created by a couple of studio artists in the late '30s. The conceit of the article is that the paintings represent DUCK ANCESTORS hanging in McDuck manor. That's not the original intention for the paintings, but something invented for this article.
You decide whether we want them in the family tree, I'm just here to provide the story.
The two sisters are reportedly the first in Donald's family to have "a real career" in the theater, because of course Donald is still an actor in this one.
Last Edit: Apr 11, 2024 13:21:51 GMT by That Duckfan
In the (original) Dutch version of the story, there isn't any mention of the McDuck clan. Actually, the text on the same panel is quite different than in the English translation. It just says that he let build a castle in Scotland where he lived the last years of his life. He says that it cost him a lot of money, but that it is worth to have a house of your own that nobody can intrude. So, it doesn't even say that he married or so. Here is a scan of the Dutch panel.
So, the change you propose wouldn't contradict the Dutch version, but neither does his current position on the tree.
I see. Interesting! Still - since the English translation's genealogy doesn't contradict the original, I think it would be best to follow it. Especially since (as others have mentioned) the castle is clearly Castle MacDuich and the added context of the translation makes a lot of sense. Drago marrying a MacDuich would be compatible with both the original and the English translation.
Also as a side-note: The English version seems to imply that Castle MacDuich is already built when Drago arrives in the year 901. However, the original version held that Drago is the one who had it built. I find this interesting, since I have wondered about the castle's origin. As far as I know, no other story has explored this. However, using information from both versions of this Drago-story would tell us who built the castle and when. I just think that's neat!
I'd like to point out that in the Middle Ages, key buildings were often erected on sites that already had some kind of similar significance. Think of churches that were built over the remains of pagan temples. There's no reason why Castle McDuck can't be on the site of a previous battlement.
...Buuuuuut, that also forces me to acknowledge that there's something wrong with Castle McDuck chronology. The design of the castle as seen in the panel above is half a millenium out from Drago, more closely resembling the 14th century or so. Stone castles were introduced to Britain by the Normans, and initially they weren't much more than a keep. (Think the Tower of London... something more resembling the money bin than anything we recognize as a castle!) But this depiction of the castle (and its age) goes back to Barks, so I guess it's just best to ignore.
I'm willing to accept Drago built SOME Castle McDuck... but the one we see in the background is pure visual shorthand! (The rest of the story is much closer to the real thing!)