There are some Brazilian stories about the "Grande Metralha" (Great Beagle), clearly with an age similar to Scrooge (and a solitary criminal, not a chief of a gang) and is stayed explicitly that the "Grande Metralha" is Grandpa Beagle as young (examples: O Grande Metralha, O Vale-Tudo em Vale Seco); another story with Scrooge and Grandpa Beagle as children - Um Gosto e Três Cruzeiros. This seems to make more sense than putting Grande Beagle at least a generation older than Scrooge.
About GRAZIA - the portuguese translations of italian stories in the 1980s called him "Metralha Veterano" and make him a character distinct of "Vovô Metralha" (Granda Beagle); but today both are translated to "Vovô Metralha", I think.
It's interesting how there are so many different interpretations of Grandpa Beagle. Especially since they all seem to be a bit different from the original Money Well-incarnation. As I said in my original post, I agree that having Grandpa Beagle be around the same age as Scrooge makes the most sense.
Anyways, I remember having seen this image of the DuckTales Beagle Boys, which feature what I assume is yet another incarnation of a Grandpa Beagle (I drew an arrow above him!) I can't find any information online about whether he ever appeared in any episode though. Does anyone know anything about this guy?
Then again... I don't think the Beagle Brats, the little Beagle girls, or that dog appeared in DuckTales either... So where is that grandpa from?
There are some Brazilian stories about the "Grande Metralha" (Great Beagle), clearly with an age similar to Scrooge (and a solitary criminal, not a chief of a gang) and is stayed explicitly that the "Grande Metralha" is Grandpa Beagle as young (examples: O Grande Metralha, O Vale-Tudo em Vale Seco); another story with Scrooge and Grandpa Beagle as children - Um Gosto e Três Cruzeiros. This seems to make more sense than putting Grande Beagle at least a generation older than Scrooge.
About GRAZIA - the portuguese translations of italian stories in the 1980s called him "Metralha Veterano" and make him a character distinct of "Vovô Metralha" (Granda Beagle); but today both are translated to "Vovô Metralha", I think.
It's interesting how there are so many different interpretations of Grandpa Beagle. Especially since they all seem to be a bit different from the original Money Well-incarnation. As I said in my original post, I agree that having Grandpa Beagle be around the same age as Scrooge makes the most sense.
Anyways, I remember having seen this image of the DuckTales Beagle Boys, which feature what I assume is yet another incarnation of a Grandpa Beagle (I drew an arrow above him!) I can't find any information online about whether he ever appeared in any episode though. Does anyone know anything about this guy?
Then again... I don't think the Beagle Brats, the little Beagle girls, or that dog appeared in DuckTales either... So where is that grandpa from?
Grandpa never appeared in Ducktales...are you sure this art is official?
Grandpa never appeared in Ducktales...are you sure this art is official?
I honestly have no idea. I know I saw this image years ago; it looks like it's from that HooZoo site that doesn't exist anymore. I wondered who this grandpa-guy was back then too, but at least now I've finally asked people about him!
But it's still weird that he's included with a bunch of other official characters if he's an OC. I mean, there are official versions of Grandpa Beagle!
LP, I agree that it doesn’t make sense time-wise to say that Grandpa Beagle and Blackheart are the same person. I’ve been meaning to start a thread about this very issue myself! Like you, I follow Rosa’s historical reconstruction in most things, this being one of very few exceptions. I have tended to assume that Grandpa Beagle is one of Blackheart’s sons, but I think you’re right and it fits even better to make him Blackheart’s grandson. One or the other, at any rate.
On the current “Donaldville” set of tear-off trading cards issued in Picsou, there is a card for the Blackheart/Grandpa Beagle merged character: Patriarch of the Beagle clan and Scrooge’s oldest enemy, he is a redoubtable adversary, crafty and very intelligent, even though the stupidity of his grandchildren often ruins his plans. After an initial confrontation with the McDucks on the Mississippi, he reigns as master over Duckburg until 1903, the year of arrival of a certain Scottish Duck. Since then he has alternated stretches in prison and attempted assaults on the bin. Already the father of three young adults in 1880, he must be nearly 110 years old at Scrooge’s jubilee in 1952! Maybe grand larceny keeps you young? (Le grand banditisme, ça conserve?)
And here’s the kicker: this character on the card is named Gracié Rapetou!
Yep, clearly the Beagle family lives A LOT. At this point i'm wondering how many generations are there...counting with the Beagle Brats we have at least 6 generations cohexisting
Yes, while I don't consider any of the Beagle Brats, Scary Beagle, nor Great-great-grandpappy Beagle canonical, I do find this stuff fun and fascinating!
I have basically two different Duck headcanons: the "large canon", in which almost every story and character exists and it is the one i use when discussing about Disney comics to other people here or on Twitter
And the "true canon", which is my personal view of the Duckverse and the one i consider to be the real one, basically made up of Barks, Rosa and some other works. I use it for my own reference while writing fanfiction
Great-great-grandpa Beagle and the Beagle Brats are part of my large canon, but not of my true canon
LP, I agree that it doesn’t make sense time-wise to say that Grandpa Beagle and Blackheart are the same person. I’ve been meaning to start a thread about this very issue myself! Like you, I follow Rosa’s historical reconstruction in most things, this being one of very few exceptions. I have tended to assume that Grandpa Beagle is one of Blackheart’s sons, but I think you’re right and it fits even better to make him Blackheart’s grandson. One or the other, at any rate.
On the current “Donaldville” set of tear-off trading cards issued in Picsou, there is a card for the Blackheart/Grandpa Beagle merged character: Patriarch of the Beagle clan and Scrooge’s oldest enemy, he is a redoubtable adversary, crafty and very intelligent, even though the stupidity of his grandchildren often ruins his plans. After an initial confrontation with the McDucks on the Mississippi, he reigns as master over Duckburg until 1903, the year of arrival of a certain Scottish Duck. Since then he has alternated stretches in prison and attempted assaults on the bin. Already the father of three young adults in 1880, he must be nearly 110 years old at Scrooge’s jubilee in 1952! Maybe grand larceny keeps you young? (Le grand banditisme, ça conserve?)
And here’s the kicker: this character on the card is named Gracié Rapetou!
Oh yes. As far as I can remember, Rosa's version of Grandpa Beagle was always called Gracié in French --- except for a few stray occurrences. The merge between Blackheart and Grazia has been in effect for a long time.
LP, I agree that it doesn’t make sense time-wise to say that Grandpa Beagle and Blackheart are the same person. I’ve been meaning to start a thread about this very issue myself! Like you, I follow Rosa’s historical reconstruction in most things, this being one of very few exceptions. I have tended to assume that Grandpa Beagle is one of Blackheart’s sons, but I think you’re right and it fits even better to make him Blackheart’s grandson. One or the other, at any rate.
On the current “Donaldville” set of tear-off trading cards issued in Picsou, there is a card for the Blackheart/Grandpa Beagle merged character: Patriarch of the Beagle clan and Scrooge’s oldest enemy, he is a redoubtable adversary, crafty and very intelligent, even though the stupidity of his grandchildren often ruins his plans. After an initial confrontation with the McDucks on the Mississippi, he reigns as master over Duckburg until 1903, the year of arrival of a certain Scottish Duck. Since then he has alternated stretches in prison and attempted assaults on the bin. Already the father of three young adults in 1880, he must be nearly 110 years old at Scrooge’s jubilee in 1952! Maybe grand larceny keeps you young? (Le grand banditisme, ça conserve?)
And here’s the kicker: this character on the card is named Gracié Rapetou!
Well, if I would have had it my way, there would be five generations of Beagles harassing Scrooge during his life. I guess that would be a bit confusing to keep track of for casual readers, especially when they don't have names and the only way to identify the different generations would be to say "this guy is that other guy's grandson!". I think the best way to handle it would have been to make fun of its confusing nature and somehow reassure the reader that, while it makes sense, it's not super-important that they keep track of which generation is which. ... But instead Rosa went with the simpler three generations. I guess it was wise of Rosa to not confuse casual readers with too many generations, but instead he super-confused the hardcore fans with Blackheart's age!
I'm glad that those trading cards are striving towards something that resembles continuity! (even though that 1903 should be 1902, but oh well!) It would be interesting to catalogue the different incarnations of Grandpa Beagle. As established by now, he has a bunch of different interpretations and designs. I'll see what I can put together later today!
There are some Brazilian stories about the "Grande Metralha" (Great Beagle), clearly with an age similar to Scrooge (and a solitary criminal, not a chief of a gang) and is stayed explicitly that the "Grande Metralha" is Grandpa Beagle as young (examples: O Grande Metralha, O Vale-Tudo em Vale Seco); another story with Scrooge and Grandpa Beagle as children - Um Gosto e Três Cruzeiros. This seems to make more sense than putting Grande Beagle at least a generation older than Scrooge.
About GRAZIA - the portuguese translations of italian stories in the 1980s called him "Metralha Veterano" and make him a character distinct of "Vovô Metralha" (Granda Beagle); but today both are translated to "Vovô Metralha", I think.
It's interesting how there are so many different interpretations of Grandpa Beagle. Especially since they all seem to be a bit different from the original Money Well-incarnation. As I said in my original post, I agree that having Grandpa Beagle be around the same age as Scrooge makes the most sense.
Anyways, I remember having seen this image of the DuckTales Beagle Boys, which feature what I assume is yet another incarnation of a Grandpa Beagle (I drew an arrow above him!) I can't find any information online about whether he ever appeared in any episode though. Does anyone know anything about this guy?
Then again... I don't think the Beagle Brats, the little Beagle girls, or that dog appeared in DuckTales either... So where is that grandpa from?
The child beagles are from Gold Key comics, as is the cat. I assume the dog, grandfather and other beagles who can't be identified from the show are also.
The child beagles are from Gold Key comics, as is the cat. I assume the dog, grandfather and other beagles who can't be identified from the show are also.
Yes, both the male and female kid-triplets are from comics. The dog is from Italian comics. The three "pink" Beagle women are from the classic DuckTales show, as are Ma Beagle and the 7 regular-ish Beagle Boys. Finally, you say you recognize the cat from comics. This means that the only one left to identify is the Grandpa-looking dude!
The child beagles are from Gold Key comics, as is the cat. I assume the dog, grandfather and other beagles who can't be identified from the show are also.
Yes, both the male and female kid-triplets are from comics. The dog is from Italian comics. The three "pink" Beagle women are from the classic DuckTales show, as are Ma Beagle and the 7 regular-ish Beagle Boys. Finally, you say you recognize the cat from comics. This means that the only one left to identify is the Grandpa-looking dude!
I'm not 100% convinced, but the closest I can think of is the grandfather that appeared in the Kay Wright story Updating Gran'pa. (The glasses don't match, though.) To be honest, this is a very generic kind of grandfatherly character design.
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Yes, both the male and female kid-triplets are from comics. The dog is from Italian comics. The three "pink" Beagle women are from the classic DuckTales show, as are Ma Beagle and the 7 regular-ish Beagle Boys. Finally, you say you recognize the cat from comics. This means that the only one left to identify is the Grandpa-looking dude!
I'm not 100% convinced, but the closest I can think of is the grandfather that appeared in the Kay Wright story Updating Gran'pa. (The glasses don't match, though.) To be honest, this is a very generic kind of grandfatherly character design.
In the Brazilian translation, he is called "titio" (uncle); probably the translator thought that he was to much different from the regular "Grandpa" that appears in brazilian books that should be treated as a different character.
I'm not 100% convinced, but the closest I can think of is the grandfather that appeared in the Kay Wright story Updating Gran'pa. (The glasses don't match, though.) To be honest, this is a very generic kind of grandfatherly character design.
In the Brazilian translation, he is called "titio" (uncle); probably the translator thought that he was to much different from the regular "Grandpa" that appears in brazilian books that should be treated as a different character.
Indeed. From what I can tell, the Spanish translation also calls him an uncle, while the German and Italian ones call him a great-uncle. The reason for this change is probably just what you said.
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Odd how the italians latched on to obscure characters like Grandpa Beagle and Rockerduck and gave them so prominent roles after barely appearing under Barks.
Eh, this happen a lot. Both Goldie and the Phantom Blot were similarly "obscure characters that had barely appeared" at one point.
Though I believe Rockerduck was thought to be the same character as Glomgold back in the day. Remember this was long before it was practical to look up some random story to check a reference, so it was common for characters that went a while between appearances to have different names in different stories.
Post by That Duckfan on Sept 13, 2021 22:39:12 GMT
For what it's worth, in my headcanon I consider the Boat Busters Rockerduck a separate character from regular Rockerduck because of their appearance. Much like the Rockefellers they were based on, one is John D. senior and the other is John D. junior. I like to stick characters' first appearances for their ages, and that doesn't gel with Rosa's Howard Rockerduck and the son we seen in Raider of the Copper Hill. To me, the regular Rockerduck is a child of the 20th century, not the 19th, making Howard his grandfather. And the less said about the Angones version, the better.
As far as the Beagles are concerned, I've never liked the idea of them being related. They're just a loose organization of mask-wearing thugs, some of whom happen to be brothers. I don't like The Money Well for a number of reasons, and I wouldn't personally consider it canon.
For what it's worth, in my headcanon I consider the Boat Busters Rockerduck a separate character from regular Rockerduck because of their appearance. Much like the Rockefellers they were based on, one is John D. senior and the other is John D. junior. I like to stick characters' first appearances for their ages, and that doesn't gel with Rosa's Howard Rockerduck and the son we seen in Raider of the Copper Hill. To me, the regular Rockerduck is a child of the 20th century, not the 19th, making Howard his grandfather. And the less said about the Angones version, the better.
As far as the Beagles are concerned, I've never liked the idea of them being related. They're just a loose organization of mask-wearing thugs, some of whom happen to be brothers. I don't like The Money Well for a number of reasons, and I wouldn't personally consider it canon.
Agewise, Rosa's John D. Rockerduck matches up better with Rockerfeller Jr. though, which is whom Barks' Rockerduck was based on. Real life-Junior was born in 1874. Raider of the Copper Hill takes place in 1884, which would make John D. Rockerduck 10 years old in that story, which seems about right. I see no reason to split the guy into two characters, but everyone is entitled to their own head-canon. After a Google-search, I realized that the Angones version you mention is the DuckTales 2017-version. I haven't watched any episodes with Rockerduck, but I read that this version was cryogenically frozen, and originated in the Old West... which is... interesting...
Ever since I started reading Duck-comics, I've known that the Beagle Boys were related. The thought of them simply being a loose organization never even crossed my mind. I've always though of them like a crime family. And while I'm not a super-fan of the original DuckTales, I do like the idea of Ma Beagle acting as a leader, which reinforces the crime family idea. So while I don't see anything wrong them just working together without being family, I don't have any problems with them being related either. It's been a while since I actually read The Money Well closely, so I don't have an opinion of it ready to go. However, I don't recall any universe-breaking stuff in it, so I see no reason for it to be non-canonical.