About Scrooge's father

[sim]

Before writing this post, I have to say I like Rosa's work (a lot of good writing and art) and I find it really interesting on its own, but that is the only way I can read it. What I mean is that I really enjoy his stories but I know that what I am reading happens in this "Rosa universe" where everything is super calculated. In fact, I don't usually consider his strict timeline nor his genealogy when I think about the duck family in general.

That being said, this thread is about Scrooge's father, that I will call "Fergus" because no other name has ever been given to him as far as I know (besides the obvious nicknames "Old Scotty" and "McPapa"). Well, of course Scrooge was born in Scotland, It's referred to in A Bucket of Scones (?/Strobl, 1956) and, in The Search for Cyril (Gregory/Strobl, 1960), we learn that is Hometown is called Cheapside. He came from a poor family, but his father (Fergus) did become rich actually. And that happened after Scrooge's mother either died or divorced from him.

In YD 68-10-03, Scrooge tells one of the ducklings that his father married a rich widow. Since it doesn't look like he is referring to his own mother and since his mother was probably poor too and not married before Fergus, I suspect that he has married again after (as said) either Downy's death or divorce.



What I am thinking is that this second wedding happened in the USA. And this is suggested by three evidences:

- YD 63-12-11, Fergus reupholstered a family antique chair in 1912 filling it with USD bills;



- ZD 60-05-08, Fergus buried a chest of money (again USD) in the garden of Scrooge's estate.



- W DD 77-01, Fergus owned the bank in an old mining town near Bear Mountain (USA).



So, considering these stories, my conclusion is that: somewhen between late 1800 and early 1900, Fergus came to US and married a rich widow (I don't think she could be Gideon's mother though), became rich and opened(/bought?) a bank in a mining town. In 1912, he reupholstered the chair so he must have been still alive. But, I think that he died some time after, maybe before Donald's birth (that's just a speculation due to the fact that Scrooge always refers to him as "my father" or "my daddy" and not as "your grandpa"), anyway I don't believe he is still around, à la Ducktales 2017.

What are your thoughts on this version? Could it work if we don't consider Rosa?

[Fethryfan]

Oct 28, 2021 20:18:38 GMT sim said:

Before writing this post, I have to say I like Rosa's work (a lot of good writing and art) and I find it really interesting on its own, but that is the only way I can read it. What I mean is that I really enjoy his stories but I know that what I am reading happens in this "Rosa universe" where everything is super calculated. In fact, I don't usually consider his strict timeline nor his genealogy when I think about the duck family in general.

That being said, this thread is about Scrooge's father, that I will call "Fergus" because no other name has ever been given to him as far as I know (besides the obvious nicknames "Old Scotty" and "McPapa"). Well, of course Scrooge was born in Scotland, It's referred to in A Bucket of Scones (?/Strobl, 1956) and, in The Search for Cyril (Gregory/Strobl, 1960), we learn that is Hometown is called Cheapside. He came from a poor family, but his father (Fergus) did become rich actually. And that happened after Scrooge's mother either died or divorced from him.

In YD 68-10-03, Scrooge tells one of the ducklings that his father married a rich widow. Since it doesn't look like he is referring to his own mother and since his mother was probably poor too and not married before Fergus, I suspect that he has married again after (as said) either Downy's death or divorce.



What I am thinking is that this second wedding happened in the USA. And this is suggested by three evidences:

- YD 63-12-11, Fergus reupholstered a family antique chair in 1912 filling it with USD bills;



- ZD 60-05-08, Fergus buried a chest of money (again USD) in the garden of Scrooge's estate.



- W DD 77-01, Fergus owned the bank in an old mining town near Bear Mountain (USA).



So, considering these stories, my conclusion is that: somewhen between late 1800 and early 1900, Fergus came to US and married a rich widow (I don't think she could be Gideon's mother though), became rich and opened(/bought?) a bank in a mining town. In 1912, he reupholstered the chair so he must have been still alive. But, I think that he died some time after, maybe before Donald's birth (that's just a speculation due to the fact that Scrooge always refers to him as "my father" or "my daddy" and not as "your grandpa"), anyway I don't believe he is still around, à la Ducktales 2017.

What are your thoughts on this version? Could it work if we don't consider Rosa?

Before anything, it should be stated that there was a major father of Scrooge before Fergus, who was not a random name on an author's family tree (Like Old Scotty) neither a shadowy figure whose name was never mentioned (Like in Taliaferro's strips)

Of course, i'm talking about Paperon-Papà from Zio Paperone e l'oro del Klondike (by Guido Martina and Romano Scarpa), who lived in Klondike in 1897 (the same year that Scrooge was born, according to the story). This story also implies that he died in 1915. Actually, he kind of fits Taliaferro's description
static.wikia.nocookie.net/paperpedia/images/6/6d/Paperon-Pap%C3%A0.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/542?cb=20130809154206&path-prefix=it

Now, to answer your question...yes, it could work if we don't consider Rosa. But we can't consider Barks either. Scrooge's father in the Taliaferro strips seemed to already be rich, which contradicts the info that Barks gave us about Scrooge's family

I gave up trying to fit together every single story on a single universe a long time ago. I do have my own headcanon, but it is made up by a few authors (about 5). Now, i see the Disney comics as a multiverse, in which each author has their own universe. So we have Earth-Barks, Earth-Rosa, Earth-Van Horn, Earth-Gottfredson, Earth-Canini and so on

In Earth-Martina, Scrooge's father was known as Paperon-Papà and died in 1915. In Earth-Karp, he was rich and lived until 1912 at the least. In Earth-Rosa, he was called Fergus McDuck and died in 1902

[sim]

Oct 28, 2021 20:50:55 GMT Fethryfan said:

Oct 28, 2021 20:18:38 GMT sim said:

Before writing this post, I have to say I like Rosa's work (a lot of good writing and art) and I find it really interesting on its own, but that is the only way I can read it. What I mean is that I really enjoy his stories but I know that what I am reading happens in this "Rosa universe" where everything is super calculated. In fact, I don't usually consider his strict timeline nor his genealogy when I think about the duck family in general.

That being said, this thread is about Scrooge's father, that I will call "Fergus" because no other name has ever been given to him as far as I know (besides the obvious nicknames "Old Scotty" and "McPapa"). Well, of course Scrooge was born in Scotland, It's referred to in A Bucket of Scones (?/Strobl, 1956) and, in The Search for Cyril (Gregory/Strobl, 1960), we learn that is Hometown is called Cheapside. He came from a poor family, but his father (Fergus) did become rich actually. And that happened after Scrooge's mother either died or divorced from him.

In YD 68-10-03, Scrooge tells one of the ducklings that his father married a rich widow. Since it doesn't look like he is referring to his own mother and since his mother was probably poor too and not married before Fergus, I suspect that he has married again after (as said) either Downy's death or divorce.



What I am thinking is that this second wedding happened in the USA. And this is suggested by three evidences:

- YD 63-12-11, Fergus reupholstered a family antique chair in 1912 filling it with USD bills;



- ZD 60-05-08, Fergus buried a chest of money (again USD) in the garden of Scrooge's estate.



- W DD 77-01, Fergus owned the bank in an old mining town near Bear Mountain (USA).



So, considering these stories, my conclusion is that: somewhen between late 1800 and early 1900, Fergus came to US and married a rich widow (I don't think she could be Gideon's mother though), became rich and opened(/bought?) a bank in a mining town. In 1912, he reupholstered the chair so he must have been still alive. But, I think that he died some time after, maybe before Donald's birth (that's just a speculation due to the fact that Scrooge always refers to him as "my father" or "my daddy" and not as "your grandpa"), anyway I don't believe he is still around, à la Ducktales 2017.

What are your thoughts on this version? Could it work if we don't consider Rosa?

Before anything, it should be stated that there was a major father of Scrooge before Fergus, who was not a random name on an author's family tree (Like Old Scotty) neither a shadowy figure whose name was never mentioned (Like in Taliaferro's strips)

Of course, i'm talking about Paperon-Papà from Zio Paperone e l'oro del Klondike (by Guido Martina and Romano Scarpa), who lived in Klondike in 1897 (the same year that Scrooge was born, according to the story). This story also implies that he died in 1915. Actually, he kind of fits Taliaferro's description
static.wikia.nocookie.net/paperpedia/images/6/6d/Paperon-Pap%C3%A0.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/542?cb=20130809154206&path-prefix=it

Now, to answer your question...yes, it could work if we don't consider Rosa. But we can't consider Barks either. Scrooge's father in the Taliaferro strips seemed to already be rich, which contradicts the info that Barks gave us about Scrooge's family

I gave up trying to fit together every single story on a single universe a long time ago. I do have my own headcanon, but it is made up by a few authors (about 5). Now, i see the Disney comics as a multiverse, in which each author has their own universe. So we have Earth-Barks, Earth-Rosa, Earth-Van Horn, Earth-Gottfredson, Earth-Canini and so on

In Earth-Martina, Scrooge's father was known as Paperon-Papà and died in 1915. In Earth-Karp, he was rich and lived until 1912 at the least. In Earth-Rosa, he was called Fergus McDuck and died in 1902

Though enjoying Martina's stories, it is impossible to consider his Storia e Gloria canonical in any way. He himself contradicted it several times because he wasn't interested in a coherent universe (same as Barks from this point of view). 

Scrooge's father from Taliaferro strips became rich after marrying the rich widow, so it wouldn't contradict Barks' info about Scrooge's family being poor in the beginning if put in the timeline where I did (late '800-early '900) because Scrooge was already rich at that point, according to Barks obviously. The only info I have that would be in clear contrast with it is from YD 66-03-18, where Scrooge states that he got started in business after that his father left him "20 million".



I decided not to include this in the previous post because it would have made little sense. I guess Fergus could actually have left Scrooge 20 million dollars after his death, but that's not before Scrooge started doing business obviously. Just a tiny retcon, like Della shifting from cousin to sister or Amelia Fieldmouse from elderly stranger to young sister or again (more similar to this very case) the facts narrated by Scrooge in Voodoo Hoodoo being shifted forward in time by some decades in Rosa's Lo$. Sometimes you just have to "correct" something previous authors wrote.