Middle Names Thread

[TheMidgetMoose]

Hope this is a good idea for both a fun, headcanon thread and a serious, "encyclopedic" thread. What are our favorite Duck/Mouse characters' middle names? You can cite either real middle names from comics, cartoons, etc. or come up with middle names of your own! Middle names don't really mean whole lot, I guess. Knowing someone's middle name (what comes between their first name and surname, at least in traditional American naming convention) is sometimes little more than fun trivia. Sometimes, a middle name can have some meaning. For example, me and all of my siblings received our middle names from family members while our first names were original. I know people whose middle names were chosen for their etymology and meaning and how it mixed with the etymology and meaning of their first name. So what are our Mouse and Duck pals' middle names? I'll start with my thoughts, but please feel free to share yours! PLEASE NOTE that some of the middle names I give are from official sources, but many are not. I want to be totally clear about that before someone cites this thread as a reference someday for these middle names. A lot of these are going to be totally made up by me or by other Feathery Society members. This is all in good fun!

Donald Duck's middle name is Fauntleroy, as per the cartoon Donald Gets Drafted. This is the only story that I know of that states Donald's middle name.

Mickey Mouse may have two official middle names. I've seen wikis for years say that Mickey's full name is Michael Theodore Mouse, but I'm not sure what the source for that is. Does anybody here know? On the other hand, the old short Symphony Hour calls Mickey "Maestro Michel Mouse" ("maestro" being a title, not a name), and the newer Paul Rudish short The Fancy Gentlemen apparently built upon this by referring to Mickey as Michel Francois Mouse. Since I know the source for the "Francois" middle name but do not know the source for "Theodore," I have adopted "Francois" as Mickey's middle name in my headcanon. Doesn't really fit him, but that's what makes it sort of funny!

Donald and Mickey are the only guys who I know of an official middle name for. Everything else here will just be speculation. If you all know of any official middle names, then please let me know! Grandma Duck's full name in my headcanon is Elvira Abigail Duck. Elvira was stated to be Grandma's name in W WDC 121-04 in 1950. The name was later popularized by Don Rosa and has, thanks to his work, become her "official" first name, I believe. However, there are apparently two or three Carl Fallberg stories from the 1950s which called her Abigail. I haven't personally read any of those stories, but I've decided to adopt "Abigail" as Elvira's middle name in my headcanon.

I have a couple of ideas for Uncle Scrooge's middle name. One of my favorite foreign names for Uncle Scrooge is his French name, Balthazar Picsou. I don't know why, but "Balthazar" just really seems to fit him. I have thus had Scrooge's full name be Scrooge Balthazar McDuck in my headcanon. However, I have read that Scottish tradition would have the eldest son be named after his paternal grandfather. I'm not sure if this is true or not, but if it is, then Scrooge and his paternal grandfather should have the same name. Now, Scrooge's paternal grandfather's name in my headcanon is Titus McDuck, taken from W DD 70-01. Titus and Scrooge are not the same name, so my explanation was that Scrooge's full name is Titus Scrooge McDuck and that, for whatever reason, he has always gone by his middle name. I also read that, in Scottish tradition, second sons are named after their maternal grandfather, eldest daughters are named after their maternal grandmothers, and second daughters are named after their paternal grandmothers. Obviously, it's possible that this was all made up and inaccurate, but if what I read is correct, then this affects the middle names of Scrooge's siblings. Scrooge and his siblings' paternal grandmother is, in Rosa's lore, Molly Mallard. "Molly" is sometimes a nickname for Margaret. Thus, I have assumed that her real name was Hortense Margaret Mallard and that her granddaughter (and Donald's mother) Hortense McDuck has either Margaret or Mallard as her middle name.

Della Duck's middle name in my headcanon is Thelma, taken from Carl Barks's first Duck family tree and Mark Worden's rendition of it. Fethry Duck's middle name in my headcanon is Loon, taken from his mother's middle name in Don Rosa's Duck family tree. Abner Duck's full name in my headcanon is Abner Whitewater Duck, as I don't have any problem with viewing Whitewater as an actual name instead of just a nickname. John D. Rockerduck's middle name is Davison, and I'm actually not sure if that was ever stated in a story or not. It's implied by his being named after John Davison Rockefeller.

That's about all that I have for headcanon middle names. What middle names do these guys have in your headcanon? Any official middle names that I didn't mention here? I'm really curious to know if there are any other instances where a character was given an official full name/middle name, not counting Goofy's messy names, of course.

[sim]

Abigail Duck is Grandma's name in W CP 5-06 (1953) and (with no surname) in W WDC 173-10P (1955), both written by Fallberg, while it is Elviry (not Elvira) Duck in W WDC 121-04 (1950).

Scrooge's full name is "Paperone Callisto Generoso de' Paperoni" ("generoso" means "generous") in I TL 1803-D, but the same story says he was born in Duckburg, so...

Rockerduck's second name has been used in some recent Italian stories: I TL 3213-2 (2017), I TL 3224-1P (2017), I TL 3351-1 (2020) and I TL 3439-1P (2021), and maybe more.

The name Fauntleroy only appears in that document in "Donald Gets Drafted" that I am aware of, so I have no problem discarding it in my own headcanon. It wouldn't surprise me if Gerstein/Torcivia or any other American dialogist included it as an Easter Egg in some relocation, though.

Same goes for Della/Thelma, since Thelma has never been used in official Disney products.

I think that Whitewater should be his first name, since we see "WD" on his logs and not "AD". Also, Donald refers to Whitewater as his real name (found in his family album) and not as a nick. I am not a big fan of Abner, don't know how he has been called in later stories, though.

I can remember that, in the Italian translation of a S-coded story, Donald said that "Margherita" was Daisy's second name. That is only because he should have bought daisies (which is the name of the flowers, but also hers), but "Paperina" doesn't have the same meaning.

[RobbK1]

I would vote for "Dagobert" being Scrooge's middle name, because, not only is it his chosen name in The German and Dutch/Flemish and Afrikaans languages, but more importantly, it would also have been a common name in Lowland Scotland, among The Scots language speaking peoples settled by Angles, northern Lower Saxons, and North Frisians from the early 500s to 700s CE. It was a fairly common name in Lowland, Easterm, Northeastern and southern Scotland back in The Middle Ages. So, it would be palatable to those fans who grew up in The Dutch, German, and English-Speaking countries, and also to fans in other countries that understanding that Scrooge was invented by his creator, Carl Barks as a native Scotsman, whose family was known to have resided in Scotland from Medieval times (when that name was commonplace).

[TheMidgetMoose]

Dec 3, 2022 17:43:40 GMT sim said:

Abigail Duck is Grandma's name in W CP 5-06 (1953) and (with no surname) in W WDC 173-10P (1955), both written by Fallberg, while it is Elviry (not Elvira) Duck in W WDC 121-04 (1950).

Scrooge's full name is "Paperone Callisto Generoso de' Paperoni" ("generoso" means "generous") in I TL 1803-D, but the same story says he was born in Duckburg, so...

Rockerduck's second name has been used in some recent Italian stories: I TL 3213-2 (2017), I TL 3224-1P (2017), I TL 3351-1 (2020) and I TL 3439-1P (2021), and maybe more.

The name Fauntleroy only appears in that document in "Donald Gets Drafted" that I am aware of, so I have no problem discarding it in my own headcanon. It wouldn't surprise me if Gerstein/Torcivia or any other American dialogist included it as an Easter Egg in some relocation, though.

Same goes for Della/Thelma, since Thelma has never been used in official Disney products.

I think that Whitewater should be his first name, since we see "WD" on his logs and not "AD". Also, Donald refers to Whitewater as his real name (found in his family album) and not as a nick. I am not a big fan of Abner, don't know how he has been called in later stories, though.

I can remember that, in the Italian translation of a S-coded story, Donald said that "Margherita" was Daisy's second name. That is only because he should have bought daisies (which is the name of the flowers, but also hers), but "Paperina" doesn't have the same meaning.

Thanks for the reply! How would you translate Scrooge's full name into English? Is Generoso a name in Italian also, or is it literally just the word "generous"? If the latter, then I guess the translated version of that name would be Scrooge Callisto (... maybe a better English/Scottish equivalent) Generous McDuck. Of course, that story probably wouldn't make it into my headcanon thanks to the "born in Duckburg" part, but if I was still active on the Scrooge McDuck Wiki, then I'd be immediately adding that to his page as his official full name.

What middle names do you personally prefer for Donald and Della since you don't use Fauntleroy and Thelma? If you don't mind sharing of course.

Great point regarding Whitewater! I might reverse the names in my headcanon now, too.

Dec 3, 2022 17:53:10 GMT RobbK1 said:

I would vote for "Dagobert" being Scrooge's middle name, because, not only is it his chosen name in The German and Dutch/Flemish and Afrikaans languages, but more importantly, it would also have been a common name in Lowland Scotland, among The Scots language speaking peoples settled by Angles, northern Lower Saxons, and North Frisians from the early 500s to 700s CE. It was a fairly common name in Lowland, Easterm, Northeastern and southern Scotland back in The Middle Ages. So, it would be palatable to those fans who grew up in The Dutch, German, and English-Speaking countries, and also to fans in other countries that understanding that Scrooge was invented by his creator, Carl Barks as a native Scotsman, whose family was known to have resided in Scotland from Medieval times (when that name was commonplace).

I don't personally like "Dagobert" as much as "Balthazar" or "Titus," but these are good points. I do find the idea of giving some of these characters middle names that come from their actual names in other languages to be rather endearing. A nice way to recognize the fans and authors of non-English languages!

[sim]

Dec 3, 2022 20:47:48 GMT TheMidgetMoose said:

Dec 3, 2022 17:43:40 GMT sim said:

Abigail Duck is Grandma's name in W CP 5-06 (1953) and (with no surname) in W WDC 173-10P (1955), both written by Fallberg, while it is Elviry (not Elvira) Duck in W WDC 121-04 (1950).

Scrooge's full name is "Paperone Callisto Generoso de' Paperoni" ("generoso" means "generous") in I TL 1803-D, but the same story says he was born in Duckburg, so...

Rockerduck's second name has been used in some recent Italian stories: I TL 3213-2 (2017), I TL 3224-1P (2017), I TL 3351-1 (2020) and I TL 3439-1P (2021), and maybe more.

The name Fauntleroy only appears in that document in "Donald Gets Drafted" that I am aware of, so I have no problem discarding it in my own headcanon. It wouldn't surprise me if Gerstein/Torcivia or any other American dialogist included it as an Easter Egg in some relocation, though.

Same goes for Della/Thelma, since Thelma has never been used in official Disney products.

I think that Whitewater should be his first name, since we see "WD" on his logs and not "AD". Also, Donald refers to Whitewater as his real name (found in his family album) and not as a nick. I am not a big fan of Abner, don't know how he has been called in later stories, though.

I can remember that, in the Italian translation of a S-coded story, Donald said that "Margherita" was Daisy's second name. That is only because he should have bought daisies (which is the name of the flowers, but also hers), but "Paperina" doesn't have the same meaning.

Thanks for the reply! How would you translate Scrooge's full name into English? Is Generoso a name in Italian also, or is it literally just the word "generous"? If the latter, then I guess the translated version of that name would be Scrooge Callisto (... maybe a better English/Scottish equivalent) Generous McDuck. Of course, that story probably wouldn't make it into my headcanon thanks to the "born in Duckburg" part, but if I was still active on the Scrooge McDuck Wiki, then I'd be immediately adding that to his page as his official full name.

What middle names do you personally prefer for Donald and Della since you don't use Fauntleroy and Thelma? If you don't mind sharing of course.

Great point regarding Whitewater! I might reverse the names in my headcanon now, too.

Dec 3, 2022 17:53:10 GMT RobbK1 said:

I would vote for "Dagobert" being Scrooge's middle name, because, not only is it his chosen name in The German and Dutch/Flemish and Afrikaans languages, but more importantly, it would also have been a common name in Lowland Scotland, among The Scots language speaking peoples settled by Angles, northern Lower Saxons, and North Frisians from the early 500s to 700s CE. It was a fairly common name in Lowland, Easterm, Northeastern and southern Scotland back in The Middle Ages. So, it would be palatable to those fans who grew up in The Dutch, German, and English-Speaking countries, and also to fans in other countries that understanding that Scrooge was invented by his creator, Carl Barks as a native Scotsman, whose family was known to have resided in Scotland from Medieval times (when that name was commonplace).

I don't personally like "Dagobert" as much as "Balthazar" or "Titus," but these are good points. I do find the idea of giving some of these characters middle names that come from their actual names in other languages to be rather endearing. A nice way to recognize the fans and authors of non-English languages!

Thanks to Google, I learned that both Callisto and Generoso are proper Italian names, but I don't believe that anybody living now could be named either (except if he is more than 90, of course). The first one seems to come from Greek and the other one from Latin language, anyway.

I don't actually care a lot about Donald and Della's second names. I mean it isn't something recurrent, anyway, and they have always had one single name in comics, as far as I know.

Moreover, Della is a complicate character. If we want to consider Barks as the "canon-Master", we might call her Thelma and make her Don's sister (as per his 1950s Duck Family Tree), but Barks also worked on the cartoon, in which she is called "Dumbella" (yes, Evert Geradts wrote a one-page story in which young Donald calls her Dumbella to make fun of her own name, Della, and I find that super-plausible amongst siblings, but still I don't know if one would sign a letter with that name... might be). Anyway, if we use the name Taliaferro chose (which is the one that everybody uses), we should keep in mind that she is Donald's cousin in that page.

One character who officially has a second name is HDL's cousin Sock, Socrates M. Gosling. Always wondered what that M. stands for.

[alquackskey]

Dec 3, 2022 3:38:47 GMT TheMidgetMoose said:

 John D. Rockerduck's middle name is Davison, and I'm actually not sure if that was ever stated in a story or not. It's implied by his being named after John Davison Rockefeller.

Actually, on this subject, have we ever had any concrete verification of his middle name being Davison?

I've seen it thrown around a lot, but I've never seen a source for it either.

[juicymcduck]

Yes, we have! This is from the French version of the story, but the Italian original states it as well.

[sim]

Dec 3, 2022 17:43:40 GMT sim said:

Rockerduck's second name has been used in some recent Italian stories: I TL 3213-2 (2017), I TL 3224-1P (2017), I TL 3351-1 (2020) and I TL 3439-1P (2021), and maybe more.

alquackskey

[That Duckfan]

Dec 3, 2022 3:38:47 GMT TheMidgetMoose said:

Mickey Mouse may have two official middle names. I've seen wikis for years say that Mickey's full name is Michael Theodore Mouse, but I'm not sure what the source for that is. Does anybody here know? On the other hand, the old short Symphony Hour calls Mickey "Maestro Michel Mouse" ("maestro" being a title, not a name), and the newer Paul Rudish short The Fancy Gentlemen apparently built upon this by referring to Mickey as Michel Francois Mouse. Since I know the source for the "Francois" middle name but do not know the source for "Theodore," I have adopted "Francois" as Mickey's middle name in my headcanon. Doesn't really fit him, but that's what makes it sort of funny!

I find it hard to imagine French roots for MM, to be honest. I'm not sure Symphony Hour is the best source, since it's a send-up of the French/Italian-affected music world (see also Pete as Sylvester Macaroni). And don't even get me started on the Paul Rudish shorts.

I've always thought of Mickey as having (Scots-)Irish roots, since Michael is such a stereotypically Irish name (so much so that Mick became a slur for Irish people). I think it suits him. Both "Francois" and "Theodore" are too French for my liking. (French names in an English context have long held high-born connotations, which isn't Mickey at all.)
Incidentally, Disney himself had Irish Protestant ancestry, which I think suits Mickey very well indeed. (I find it hard to imagine Mickey having Catholic ancestry, culturally speaking.)
So if Mickey has a middle name, I would expect it to be some classic name that was popular among that community. This story has a Mouse ancestor named Thomas, which I would accept. I'm also partial to Walter.

Dec 3, 2022 17:53:10 GMT RobbK1 said:

I would vote for "Dagobert" being Scrooge's middle name, because, not only is it his chosen name in The German and Dutch/Flemish and Afrikaans languages, but more importantly, it would also have been a common name in Lowland Scotland, among The Scots language speaking peoples settled by Angles, northern Lower Saxons, and North Frisians from the early 500s to 700s CE. It was a fairly common name in Lowland, Easterm, Northeastern and southern Scotland back in The Middle Ages. So, it would be palatable to those fans who grew up in The Dutch, German, and English-Speaking countries, and also to fans in other countries that understanding that Scrooge was invented by his creator, Carl Barks as a native Scotsman, whose family was known to have resided in Scotland from Medieval times (when that name was commonplace).

I dislike the name "Dagobert" in an English context. It's very distinctive in Dutch and German, but in English it puts me in mind of the slur "dago" that was used for Italian and other Mediterranean people about a century ago. "Dago Bert" sounds like an unkind nickname for someone named Umberto.

[TheMidgetMoose]

Dec 6, 2022 14:47:55 GMT That Duckfan said:

Dec 3, 2022 3:38:47 GMT TheMidgetMoose said:

Mickey Mouse may have two official middle names. I've seen wikis for years say that Mickey's full name is Michael Theodore Mouse, but I'm not sure what the source for that is. Does anybody here know? On the other hand, the old short Symphony Hour calls Mickey "Maestro Michel Mouse" ("maestro" being a title, not a name), and the newer Paul Rudish short The Fancy Gentlemen apparently built upon this by referring to Mickey as Michel Francois Mouse. Since I know the source for the "Francois" middle name but do not know the source for "Theodore," I have adopted "Francois" as Mickey's middle name in my headcanon. Doesn't really fit him, but that's what makes it sort of funny!

I find it hard to imagine French roots for MM, to be honest. I'm not sure Symphony Hour is the best source, since it's a send-up of the French/Italian-affected music world (see also Pete as Sylvester Macaroni). And don't even get me started on the Paul Rudish shorts.

I've always thought of Mickey as having (Scots-)Irish roots, since Michael is such a stereotypically Irish name (so much so that Mick became a slur for Irish people). I think it suits him. Both "Francois" and "Theodore" are too French for my liking. (French names in an English context have long held high-born connotations, which isn't Mickey at all.)
Incidentally, Disney himself had Irish Protestant ancestry, which I think suits Mickey very well indeed. (I find it hard to imagine Mickey having Catholic ancestry, culturally speaking.)
So if Mickey has a middle name, I would expect it to be some classic name that was popular among that community. This story has a Mouse ancestor named Thomas, which I would accept. I'm also partial to Walter.

Great points! An Irish background fits well with Mickey, I think, and Thomas and Walter are both very good ideas for middle names. I understand your points regarding the reliability of the sources for the "Francois" name, but since I'm still unsure what the source for "Theodore" is, that's the most "canonical" middle name that I know of.

This is somewhat off-topic, but your note about Mickey having or not having French and Catholic roots reminded of my thoughts in times past that Mickey's hometown would have made sense on the Gulf of Mexico, allowing him to travel "west" to Death Valley but "east" to other places while still being on the coast. French... Catholic... Gulf of Mexico... Is Mickey Mouse Cajun?!?