I would not differentiate them in an absolute way, as DT17 did. They would all be motivated to learn as Junior Woodchucks, but be less thrilled about schoolwork. They would all be willing to prank Donald, they would all at times despair of his haplessness, but underneath it all they would all fundamentally appreciate Donald's loyalty and constant effort and care. I could see differentiating them by emphasizing one of their common traits more in each individual. For instance, one could be the most frequent instigator of practical jokes, which the others would eagerly join in on. One (perhaps the youngest, which we presume is Louie) could be the most motivated to seek rank and medals in the Junior Woodchucks, with the others getting enthusiastic when Louie researches and proposes the new challenge. One could be particularly interested in inventing, hanging around in Gyro's workshop and coming up with the plans for creative devices when they're traveling and confront specific challenges. Whatever. But the key for me is, the trait emphasized in each nephew would be a trait that they all share to some degree, not a trait that characterizes only that one triplet.
I would not differentiate them in an absolute way, as DT17 did. They would all be motivated to learn as Junior Woodchucks, but be less thrilled about schoolwork. They would all be willing to prank Donald, they would all at times despair of his haplessness, but underneath it all they would all fundamentally appreciate Donald's loyalty and constant effort and care. I could see differentiating them by emphasizing one of their common traits more in each individual. For instance, one could be the most frequent instigator of practical jokes, which the others would eagerly join in on. One (perhaps the youngest, which we presume is Louie) could be the most motivated to seek rank and medals in the Junior Woodchucks, with the others getting enthusiastic when Louie researches and proposes the new challenge. One could be particularly interested in inventing, hanging around in Gyro's workshop and coming up with the plans for creative devices when they're traveling and confront specific challenges. Whatever. But the key for me is, the trait emphasized in each nephew would be a trait that they all share to some degree, not a trait that characterizes only that one triplet.
Agreed. And frankly, the same should be the case for the Beagle Boys -- or, if you will, "Beagle Boys Inc.". The MAIN POINT of these characters is that they're all alike (despite the occasional quirk, such as 176-167's love for prunes). This excerpt from "The Mysterious Stone Ray" says everything about what makes Barks' Beagle Boys so wonderful. The first panel is one of my all-time favorite Beagle drawings, period.
Disney Television Animation has been getting the Beagle Boys wrong ever since the first DuckTales series, and they show no sign of improving.
Post by donaldistducktoons on Jun 18, 2023 17:08:12 GMT
I don't think the Ducktales reboot did a bad job of giving Donald's nephews separate personalities, but it's a big problem if you have to put a lot of focus on them in addition to a lot of characters in that show. And they had poor development of their characteristics and even poor voices. So I don't think it works well.
What was really needed was for Donald's nephews to be similar, but for puberty to emerge between them and for their separate personalities and interests to be influenced by their mentors and teachers in their family to emerge, rather than is determined from birth that they are totally different. And that would help a lot.
The original Ducktales did a very good job of that, even though Donald's nephews were the same, just wearing different colored clothes, there was still a difference between them. Huey was the trio leader, Dewey was the brains of the trio, while Louie was kind of the baby trio (I don't know how to describe it, but Louie was usually a little shy, but he was a very gentle person). The episode "Duck in the Iron Mask" shows it well, especially since Dewey wanted to be separated from his brothers and didn't want to be mixed up with them, but later realized that he and his brothers still make a great team. And they are like that, their gag is like that, and most twins and triplets also look like that in reality, they look almost the same. I think that they should be left the same when they are boys, but that there are some differences between them, and then let them mature in puberty and have their own different personalities.
What I think would be even better to do is to do it the way The Legend of The Three Caballeros did with Daisy's nieces. They look the same, just with different colored clothes and bows, but there is a difference in their tones of voice, as well as having slightly different personalities. If they did that with Donald's nephews it would be even better, so I hope that in some future Donald Duck series (just not called Ducktales) they will do it, just without some nonsense and I could accept it as such. Just have the boys play Donald's nephews or someone who can do a good imitation of Russi Taylor's voice for Donald's nephews, so they don't sound so much like Donald or sound grown up.
Although the comics especially Area 15, Spookyzone and Duckscares (more children's books) gave a special image to Donald's nephews, although there is a lot of Quack Pack vibe, which is not a bad thing in my opinion, it still shows that you can give Donald's nephews diversity without destroying their harmony and communion among triplets. Again, these are just my opinions, as I see it.
I would not differentiate them in an absolute way, as DT17 did. They would all be motivated to learn as Junior Woodchucks, but be less thrilled about schoolwork. They would all be willing to prank Donald, they would all at times despair of his haplessness, but underneath it all they would all fundamentally appreciate Donald's loyalty and constant effort and care. I could see differentiating them by emphasizing one of their common traits more in each individual. For instance, one could be the most frequent instigator of practical jokes, which the others would eagerly join in on. One (perhaps the youngest, which we presume is Louie) could be the most motivated to seek rank and medals in the Junior Woodchucks, with the others getting enthusiastic when Louie researches and proposes the new challenge. One could be particularly interested in inventing, hanging around in Gyro's workshop and coming up with the plans for creative devices when they're traveling and confront specific challenges. Whatever. But the key for me is, the trait emphasized in each nephew would be a trait that they all share to some degree, not a trait that characterizes only that one triplet.
This is a good idea. There should be more focus on the Junior Woodchucks since Donald's nephews are the best out there. I think it would work that way as Huey as the oldest brother would be the leader and financier of the group, while Dewey would be the brains of the group but wants to separate from his brothers, and Louie would be more of a prankster and outgoing, but yes be an innovator like Gyro. I like the more recent comics (Topolino comics actually) that feature Donald's nephews with Gyro's nephew Newton in Junior Woodchucks and their reliving adventures and it would be a good animated series around that. Newton, Huey, Dewey and Louie get along just as well as their uncles and it would probably show in Junior Woodchucks their ability to take care of themselves and become more mature. I love those scout associations that encourage children to be more in nature than inside. What I said are just my suggestions, but I agree with you.
I would not differentiate them in an absolute way, as DT17 did. They would all be motivated to learn as Junior Woodchucks, but be less thrilled about schoolwork. They would all be willing to prank Donald, they would all at times despair of his haplessness, but underneath it all they would all fundamentally appreciate Donald's loyalty and constant effort and care. I could see differentiating them by emphasizing one of their common traits more in each individual. For instance, one could be the most frequent instigator of practical jokes, which the others would eagerly join in on. One (perhaps the youngest, which we presume is Louie) could be the most motivated to seek rank and medals in the Junior Woodchucks, with the others getting enthusiastic when Louie researches and proposes the new challenge. One could be particularly interested in inventing, hanging around in Gyro's workshop and coming up with the plans for creative devices when they're traveling and confront specific challenges. Whatever. But the key for me is, the trait emphasized in each nephew would be a trait that they all share to some degree, not a trait that characterizes only that one triplet.
Agreed. And frankly, the same should be the case for the Beagle Boys -- or, if you will, "Beagle Boys Inc.". The MAIN POINT of these characters is that they're all alike (despite the occasional quirk, such as 176-167's love for prunes). This excerpt from "The Mysterious Stone Ray" says everything about what makes Barks' Beagle Boys so wonderful. The first panel is one of my all-time favorite Beagle drawings, period.
Disney Television Animation has been getting the Beagle Boys wrong ever since the first DuckTales series, and they show no sign of improving.
Sport Goofy in Soccermania did a good job of portraying the Beagle Boys where you didn't see that drastic difference between them. Although I don't mind how the original Ducktales did with them, at least in the first season. It may be an unpopular opinion, but I like how the Beagle Boys turned out in the original Ducktales with their groups and their names. The only thing I don't like is that later they turned out to be totally incompetent so their mother (Ma Beagle) had to do it for them. The Ducktales reboot did an even worse job, unfortunately.
Disney Television Animation has been getting the Beagle Boys wrong ever since the first DuckTales series, and they show no sign of improving.
So what did you think of how Three Musketeers, the Paul Rudish Mickey Mouse shorts, Donald Duck Goin Quackers, and Kingdom Hearts handled the Beagle Boys?
I wouldn’t give them individual personalities. I don’t think that’s important. I liked Daisy’s nieces in lottc despite having similar personalities as they were entertaining . I think the boys are fine as side characters so I wouldn’t give them much focus outside moving the plot or their relationship with Donald
I wouldn’t give them individual personalities. I don’t think that’s important. I liked Daisy’s nieces in lottc despite having similar personalities as they were entertaining . I think the boys are fine as side characters so I wouldn’t give them much focus outside moving the plot or their relationship with Donald
If you were forced to do so though, how would you approach it? Especially with animated shows leaning for kid protagonists for the past decade or so.
I wouldn’t give them individual personalities. I don’t think that’s important. I liked Daisy’s nieces in lottc despite having similar personalities as they were entertaining . I think the boys are fine as side characters so I wouldn’t give them much focus outside moving the plot or their relationship with Donald
If you were forced to do so though, how would you approach it? Especially with animated shows leaning for kid protagonists for the past decade or so.
I don't know why you're comparing modern series, "because it's trendy", when you should know that kids watch Donald Duck the most? I'm not saying the other characters aren't important, but Donald is still the main character and he barely had his own series. Only Quack Pack and The Legend of The Three Caballeros, but I don't have to say how those series ended up, even though I love those series.
A lot of us at the beginning really expected Donald to have a big good role in Ducktales 2017, which was indeed the case in the first episode. However, after that something seemed to happen and Donald turned out to be more of a side character than the main character. I don't want to talk about those things further, you have it in the discussion about Ducktales 2017 and reviews about it. But the point is that Ducktales should have focused more on Scrooge and Donald and less on the nephews and Webby. Let Donald's nephews have their own special personalities, that's not a problem, but it's a problem if their characterization development is reduced to flanderization, which was especially prominent in the third season, and a problem if they are in the first light, and not their uncles. They can't be like Charlie Brown and Peanuts, or Bart Simpsons, or Phineas or Ferb. Also, too much focus on children in serious situations can be boring, including Donald's nephews. Donald's nephews can be good Junior Woodchucks and moral uprights for their uncles Donald and Scrooge, as depicted in the comics. And they work together, which is especially important. I'm not saying there wasn't any of that in Ducktales 2017, but unfortunately there wasn't much of it and they feel totally like they're not brothers anymore.
And I talked to certain fans of Ducktales in 2017 and I can confirm what I said and they had some contact with Angones and Angones himself originally said that there needed to be more focus on the adult characters, but that Disney wasn't allowing it. Well, lest it turn out that Angones is to blame for everything, there is a lot of blame from the management of Disney.
Again, I have no problem with Donald's nephews having separate personalities, but their togetherness should not be destroyed. Aside from Ducktales 2017 and Quack Pack, their distinct personalities can also be seen in the comics Area 15, Spookyzone, Paperino and Friends, and the Duckscares book, and it shows well.
When I was a kid , Donald was my favorite Disney character to point of skipping any comic story that doesn’t have him . I don’t know why some modern cartoon and comics have been trying so hard to push the kids characters so hard into stories when they aren’t as entertaining as the adults characters and clearly kids aren’t interested in them when you have dt17 being more popular with the adult audience instead and honestly I feel like them having separate personalities or interests seems to be something adults who have been reading the comics for so long / or watched cartoon care about more than a the children audience. Things like area 15 and the football series seems to usually gets praises over the nephews being different which I think fine if the target audience is the adults who might want to see something new but if Disney actually wanted to target the kids , they might want to focus more on exciting characters and more enjoyable plots .
When I was a kid , Donald was my favorite Disney character to point of skipping any comic story that doesn’t have him . I don’t know why some modern cartoon and comics have been trying so hard to push the kids characters so hard into stories when they aren’t as entertaining as the adults characters and clearly kids aren’t interested in them when you have dt17 being more popular with the adult audience instead and honestly I feel like them having separate personalities or interests seems to be something adults who have been reading the comics for so long / or watched cartoon care about more than a the children audience. Things like area 15 and the football series seems to usually gets praises over the nephews being different which I think fine if the target audience is the adults who might want to see something new but if Disney actually wanted to target the kids , they might want to focus more on exciting characters and more enjoyable plots .
I mean a lot of the most successful modern cartoons nowadays from 2010s onward like Phineas and Ferb, Gravity Falls, Adventure Time, Gumball, Big City Greens, Steven Universe, DuckTales 2017, Amphibia, Ghost and Molly McGee, Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur, Loud House, Craig of the Creek, Star vs the Forces of Evil, and the Ben 10 franchise are all kid focused so there is some trend there while there aren't really a lot of modern half hour non-preschool cartoons with adults and no kids as the main focus that are as successful.
And it's not as if DT 17 wasn't popular with kids either, there isn't proof to suggest it wasn't.
And one could argue compared to other kid protagonists nowadays, the classic Huey, Dewey, and Louie would stick out like a sore thumb if they kept the same personality schtick.
And for all we know, there are kids who do find the nephews to be exciting characters and are already content with the plots we get.
When I was a kid , Donald was my favorite Disney character to point of skipping any comic story that doesn’t have him . I don’t know why some modern cartoon and comics have been trying so hard to push the kids characters so hard into stories when they aren’t as entertaining as the adults characters and clearly kids aren’t interested in them when you have dt17 being more popular with the adult audience instead and honestly I feel like them having separate personalities or interests seems to be something adults who have been reading the comics for so long / or watched cartoon care about more than a the children audience. Things like area 15 and the football series seems to usually gets praises over the nephews being different which I think fine if the target audience is the adults who might want to see something new but if Disney actually wanted to target the kids , they might want to focus more on exciting characters and more enjoyable plots .
I mean a lot of the most successful modern cartoons nowadays from 2010s onward like Phineas and Ferb, Gravity Falls, Adventure Time, Gumball, Big City Greens, Steven Universe, DuckTales 2017, Amphibia, Ghost and Molly McGee, Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur, Loud House, Craig of the Creek, Star vs the Forces of Evil, and the Ben 10 franchise are all kid focused so there is some trend there while there aren't really a lot of modern half hour non-preschool cartoons with adults and no kids as the main focus that are as successful.
And it's not as if DT 17 wasn't popular with kids either, there isn't proof to suggest it wasn't.
And one could argue compared to other kid protagonists nowadays, the classic Huey, Dewey, and Louie would stick out like a sore thumb if they kept the same personality schtick.
And for all we know, there are kids who do find the nephews to be exciting characters and are already content with the plots we get.
Again a comparison of modern cartoons. I'll just tell you that not everything has to be children's cartoons, and that the main characters are children. It is a wrong approach that animation is only for children and not for adults. You also have cartoons for adults, but they are focused on some characters in children's age, but they are not for children. The Simpsons, Family Guy, Sound Park and others. As far as cartoons in the 2010s are concerned, not all cartoons are the same and it doesn't necessarily mean that they are exactly for the children's audience. But there is a significant difference between Ducktales 2017 and other modern animated series. Ducktales 2017 features legit characters that have been around for decades and it's clear that many fans wanted to see more of Donald and Scrooge. It's not a problem with the kids so much as it's too focused on them and they didn't act like kids, which turned out to be bad in the end. I'm not saying they shouldn't have their own episodes, but Scrooge and Donald needed a little more focus, since they are the most important representatives of the Duckverse and the most popular characters in the world. That's what it's about. And N is right, I certainly won't read comics if there is no Donald Duck, same goes for cartoons.
Of course there's no proof whether kids liked it or not, but through the viewing experience I realized that Ducktales 2017 wasn't so much for kids as it was for nostalgics. Do the kids remember Disney Afternoon? Certainly not, and they don't care. It didn't take that many references to put in that series. And the use of ironic humor is also a bad example. Children don't get it and they don't understand that kind of joke, it's more for adults. And I don't think the kids would sympathize with Donald's nephews, except for Huey. It's not a good example if you show that it's good to be a spoiled brat and get everything you want. They would be more associated with the Quack Pack version of Donald's nephews than with the Ducktales reboot version.
I don't see why many people mind Huey, Dewey and Louie being shown as the same, just with different colored clothes. It's their gag, and those who don't get it show they know nothing about comics or real life.
Post by napoleondecheese on Jul 19, 2023 0:48:28 GMT
The 'look, we're the same character in three bodies' Beagle Boys and HDL never did it for me even when I was a child. It always felt like a joke I failed to find funny, and I still don't.
I'm okay with the Beagles in the first Duck Tales. Maybe switch Ma with 2017's Ma since I thought she was an improvement. I remember actually liking the original Bigtime a whole lot, which is why 17 Bigtime being too dumb to even breathe correctly irked me so much.
I also like 17 Louie, I wouldn't change him. Huey as the devoted Junior Woodchuck is a good idea but had a bad execution, he would be as actually competent as the Barks boys, and the well behaved hyper achiever of the trio, with Louie's snarks about it flying over his head. Dewey would be modelled after the Golden age cartoons rapscallions who constantly got into trouble in a more malicious way, the mischievous troublemaker to contrast the lazier and more focused Louie and the disciplined Huey.
The 'look, we're the same character in three bodies' Beagle Boys and HDL never did it for me even when I was a child. It always felt like a joke I failed to find funny, and I still don't.
I'm okay with the Beagles in the first Duck Tales. Maybe switch Ma with 2017's Ma since I thought she was an improvement. I remember actually liking the original Bigtime a whole lot, which is why 17 Bigtime being too dumb to even breathe correctly irked me so much.
I also like 17 Louie, I wouldn't change him. Huey as the devoted Junior Woodchuck is a good idea but had a bad execution, he would be as actually competent as the Barks boys, and the well behaved hyper achiever of the trio, with Louie's snarks about it flying over his head. Dewey would be modelled after the Golden age cartoons rapscallions who constantly got into trouble in a more malicious way, the mischievous troublemaker to contrast the lazier and more focused Louie and the disciplined Huey.
The Beagle Boys in Ducktales 1987 were great and I love their dynamic with each other, especially when it comes to Beagle Time, Burger Beagle and Bouncer Beagle. And they weren't as incompetent as they were in Ducktales 2017. Both versions of Ma Beagle are ok, although I prefer Ma Beagle in Ducktales 1987.
You have the right to like what you want and that's fine, although as far as I'm concerned Huey in the Ducktales reboot was the only one that was right for me, considering he had the personalities of Donald's nephews from the comics and the OG Ducktales. Of course he was also a member of the Junior Woodchucks. The only thing I don't like is that the show has tainted him as well as Donald, especially when it comes to his anger. And the problem is that Donald's nephews have the personalities of Donald rather than Donald's nephews from earlier cartoons and comics. Unfortunately, this caused Donald to not have his bad personalities, because they were all given to his nephews and his sister, which is a problem.
By the way, the type that someone is green and has to be always evil and a jerk is not really to my liking for every character (except for Plankton from Sponge Bob, Marvin the Martian from Looney Tunes and certainly Bushroot from Darkwing Duck), so it doesn't answer me the role of Louie in the Ducktales reboot. He's actually funny, but I'm irritated by his spoiled bourgeois and even if he learns his lesson, he does things the old way, which I don't like. His dynamic with Goldie in particular is horrifying to me. And yes, Louie is a bad copy of Plucky Duck from Tiny Toons. Plucky is a jerk, but his thirst for money and his boasting are always funny to me, unlike Louie who is disgusting. And that Dewey is the most irritating.
Interestingly, they only have alternate personalities of Donald's nephews from the Quack Pack series. Huey from DT17 is like Dewey from QP, Dewey from DT17 is like Louie from QP (with Dewey being even dumber) and Louie from DT17 is like Huey from QP. However, Ducktales 2017 didn't leave much of an impression on me, unlike Quack Pack. In Quack Pack, despite their differences, they still worked together, unlike in the Ducktales reboot, where it didn't feel like that.
Yes, I always preferred the classic version of Donald's nephews, where they always act together both when they do bad things and when they do good things. The idea that they are all together evil triplets (not one, but three of them) always makes me laugh. They're just such a gag.
Certainly, I respect your opinion, but not every version works for everyone.
