I was pretty sure I remembered Italian comics with Gladstone with Donald eyes, but now can't find any. Think I may have mixed "Gladstone with Donald eyes" and "Gladstone with Donald beak", which IS something a lot more common, just drawing him with a regular duck face.
Barks' Rockerduck wasn't much younger than scrooge and Glomgold. And he was based on John D. Rockefeller, who wouldn't have been much younger than someone from Scrooge's supposed time.
I agree that Barks' Rockerduck, for the little we saw of him, doesn't look much younger than Scrooge. That's why I like Rosa's idea of making him only about 11-12 years younger than Scrooge, rather than the Italian idea that he is much younger (looking like in his 50's at most).
Uh… perhaps the more recent Italian stories have been doing this, possibly as a consequence of Rosa establishing Rocky to be younger than Scrooge. But in the stories from back in the day, it was rather obvious they were meant to be the same age — sometimes with the same kind of thing going on between them as Scrooge and Glomgold in Flintheart's debut story. Take the Storia and Gloria where they're exacty the same age, to a day.
Second and third short. Sorry for the subs, but I only found this version.
Okay, I am struck again by how much better the animation is compared to the original series. Nice to see the Guidebook being referenced, and not being accessed through a tablet or smartphone. Scrooge talks really fast ... that'll take some getting used to.
I agree that Barks' Rockerduck, for the little we saw of him, doesn't look much younger than Scrooge. That's why I like Rosa's idea of making him only about 11-12 years younger than Scrooge, rather than the Italian idea that he is much younger (looking like in his 50's at most).
Uh… perhaps the more recent Italian stories have been doing this, possibly as a consequence of Rosa establishing Rocky to be younger than Scrooge. But in the stories from back in the day, it was rather obvious they were meant to be the same age — sometimes with the same kind of thing going on between them as Scrooge and Glomgold in Flintheart's debut story. Take the Storia and Gloria where they're exacty the same age, to a day.
Well, the last episode of Storia e Gloria should not be taken as representative of the Italian "continuity" of the time, since it shows weird things like Scrooge born during the Klondike Gold Rush, with Scrooge's father (rather than Scrooge himself) participating to it. Not that there ever was a fixed continuity in Italian stories, but Scrooge's background as a Klondike prospector was a running theme in plenty of Italian stories of the time, and is still a running theme today. Scrooge and Rockerduck being born at the same time is one of the weirdnesses of that final episode. But in standard Italian stories, Scrooge often calls Rockerduck "pivello", a word you use for someone who is young and inexpert, while Rockerduck often calls Scrooge names that suggest him being much older (such as "vecchia tuba", meaning "old top hat"). That's why many Italian readers see Rockerduck as being in his 40s or 50s, even thogh his age is not explicitly stated.
Nice to see the Guidebook being referenced, and not being accessed through a tablet or smartphone.
Hopefully the producers are unaware of the recent Italian stories with the digital guidebook and won't get any ideas about introducing it to the series.
Looks interesting. After the original DuckTales, I stopped expecting animated Ducks to be anything even close to the comics. As long as they tell a good story and don't totally alienate long time fans, I'll be happy. The birthday short was fun.
I understand the sentiment. As I've always said, the only way to enjoy DuckTales (the original or the remake) is to accept it as an alternate universe (similar to the way I was only able to enjoy the Gotham TV show when I accepted it was based on an alternate universe Batman). Or maybe, as Rosa has suggested, DuckTales a fictional-fictional universe within a real-fictional universe (DuckTales being an unauthorized biography of Scrooge's life, to which he takes great exception, in Rosa's estimation. Loved the in-joke about the low esteem Rosa has for DuckTales in "The Beagle Boys vs The Money Bin", where DuckTales is relegated to bathroom reading. Also, is that the only Disney story that shows a toilet?). Still, as a comics fan, my hopes were initially raised that we would be seeing a series closer to the comics universe than the original, and clearly that is not going to be the case.
Any guesses about what the "family secret" is that causes Donald and Scrooge to be on non-speaking terms for a decade? It can't be the Rosa explanation ... where Scrooge's sisters are estranged from him because of his greed ... because in the rebooted DuckTales, Scrooge and Donald were apparently fine with each other well into Donald's adulthood. Maybe Scrooge was inadvertently responsible for Donald's parents disappearances? Or maybe Della's? Will this series have the courage to finally discuss the fates of the missing Duck relatives? Doubtful, but would be exciting if they went that route.
EDIT: Oh, that bit about Gladstone's father's name being Goostave in the EW article ... I wonder if that's going to actually be referenced in the show? Will we actually see him, rendered in a Rosa-esque design? That'd be cool!
I am hating this reboot more and more. Gyro is "manic"? No he's not! Scrooge is not gold-obsessed? COME ON! Glomgold is an overweight in-universe knock-off of Scrooge? NO HE IS NOT! HIS ENTIRE POINT IS THAT HE'S EVERY BIT LIKE SCROOGE, EXCEPT EVIL! If you wanted to do this type of character, either take Rockerduck, or just make up someone new. Gladstone's design rubs me the wrong way for some reason. This Goldie… could be interesting; though I'm still angry at the changes, I think I could get behind the new character, whereas I doubt I'll like the new Glomgold at all.
Agreed. Although I don't have aproblem with Glastone's design the other yoy mentioned are bad and Glomgold's design is attrocius!! Very bad. They destroyed a good vilain already. Agrred a lot about the bold. Glomgold is like Scrooge but twisted and evil and does evrything so as to get what he wants.
Ooooph that's a lot of changes. I'm having to make an active effort to go "it's ok, let them do their own show", since I still trust it'll be a good show, just really nothing much like the ducks I'm used to.
Biggest loss here for me is Glomgold. All the other design changes I can get used to, and to be honest, I think Gladstone and Lil'Bulb (according to Angones, the name for Gyro's Little Helper) look actively better than in the comics! Ok, sure, maybe I'd give Gladstone the tiny eyes again, but italian comics already give him Donald-like eyes sometimes so I'm used to it, didn't even notice to be honest.
I'd imagine Rockerduck wasn't used for the new millionnaire spot since it seems the idea is he's a good fella (he's one of us etc etc) instead of a villain or antagonist, which is what Rockerduck'd be.
As I said before Glomgold's design is terrible. Gyro's is bad too. I think it gets a lot out of hand...
wobblerock asked: I can't wait for the reboot to come out! The Beagle Boys have always been my favorites so I guess I'm kinda curious... I've never really got the chance to read the original comics before so will we be seeing some of the main seven beagles from the original show? In Bigtime's own words "You can't have a good time without BIGTIME!" (if you can't answer this though I understand! Thanks!)
Response: Our main guys (known as “The Original Classics”) will be Big Time, Bouncer, and Burger, with dozens upon dozens of others to be introduced throughout (Bouncer is pictured in that Ma Beagle image from yesterday). And yes, every single one has a unique personality, look, and voice. Eric Bauza is that good.
That answers that. And ...
nadaazahra asked: How bout Elvira (Grandma) Coot? Any plans for her???
Response: Just heard a pitch for her the other day! One of the challenging things about this show is that there’s SO much we want to get to. Hopefully we will!
In other words, no Grandma.
He also acknowledges that Scrooge meeting Goldie during the Dawson Gold Rush makes them both impossibly old in any present-day story, but says they "have plans" to explain that. And the Cornelius Coot statue will appear. And Gyro's little helper's name is going to officially be "Li'l Bulb"? Is that the first time he's been given that name in English?
He also acknowledges that Scrooge meeting Goldie during the Dawson Gold Rush makes them both impossibly old in any present-day story, but says they "have plans" to explain that. And the Cornelius Coot statue will appear. And Gyro's little helper's name is going to officially be "Li'l Bulb"? Is that the first time he's been given that name in English?
Actually, that would make everyone in duck family impossibly old. Even Donald would be nearly 100 years old. That can be tricky. I can't think of any possible solution for that, unless the 'Gold Rush' they refer to happened in the near past, rather than one hundred years ago.
Actually, that would make everyone in duck family impossibly old. Even Donald would be nearly 100 years old. That can be tricky. I can't think of any possible solution for that, unless the 'Gold Rush' they refer to happened in the near past, rather than one hundred years ago.
Unless they set the series in the 1950s, à la Don Rosa. Unlikely, I know, but it's still possible. I mean, nothing we've seen so far suggests the series is set in 2017. No smartphones, no laptops, an actual hard copy Woodchucks Guidebook ... it'd be interesting if they go that route, even if it's an unspoken element (like it is in Rosa's stories).
And I know what you mean about the mixed feelings ... I see Donald in the main cast, black sailor suit, red coat on Scrooge, pie cut eyes, an origin story that looks like it's from Life of Scrooge, learn that the writers are using Barks and Rosa stories as references, and am really excited. I can live with Launchpad, I say to myself, and this new Webby looks interesting. Then I see horribly redesigned Gyro, dissimilar nephews and Beagle Boys, an apparent prominent role for Fenton, and think, this'll be worse than the original. At this stage, I don't know what to think.
Actually, that would make everyone in duck family impossibly old. Even Donald would be nearly 100 years old. That can be tricky. I can't think of any possible solution for that, unless the 'Gold Rush' they refer to happened in the near past, rather than one hundred years ago.
Unless they set the series in the 1950s, à la Don Rosa. Unlikely, I know, but it's still possible. I mean, nothing we've seen so far suggests the series is set in 2017. No smartphones, no laptops, an actual hard copy Woodchucks Guidebook ... it'd be interesting if they go that route, even if it's an unspoken element (like it is in Rosa's stories).
And I know what you mean about the mixed feelings ... I see Donald in the main cast, black sailor suit, red coat on Scrooge, pie cut eyes, an origin story that looks like it's from Life of Scrooge, learn that the writers are using Barks and Rosa stories as references, and am really excited. I can live with Launchpad, I say to myself, and this new Webby looks interesting. Then I see horribly redesigned Gyro, dissimilar nephews and Beagle Boys, an apparent prominent role for Fenton, and think, this'll be worse than the original. At this stage, I don't know what to think.
Donald drives a car with GPS...
For the mixed feeling part, yeah, that's basically what I feel...
Edited: I think I can tolerate dissimilar nephews and Beagle Boys. But I do have a problem with Gyro and Glomgold. As for Fenton, I just hope they won't put too much superhero element in it, as long as not too much.
Post by Baar Baar Jinx on Jun 11, 2017 3:45:53 GMT
And now we get this ...
yoshimickster asked: Any plans for Donald's mom Hortense, and his awesomely named dad Quackmore?
Angones: We are very familiar with the Duck family tree.
... and, for however briefly, my faith is suddenly restored.
I still suspect that the family secret that causes the Scrooge and Donald estrangement on this show has something to do with Donald's parents and/or Della (what else could it be? It can't have anything to do with ancient Clan McDuck history). What direction they'll go with that I'm not sure.
EDIT: While on the subject, if Hortense or Matilda ever make an appearance in animation, I hope they are portrayed with Scottish accents. They were both significantly older (well into adulthood) than Scrooge when they left Scotland, at least according to the Rosa timeline. Rosa had them both lose their phonetic Scottish pronunciations and dialect once they emigrated to the US, but really, they should have retained them forever, even if slightly diminished. Especially if Scrooge still has such a strong accent even when he left home at 13 (again, per the Rosa timeline).
Post by Monkey_Feyerabend on Jun 11, 2017 6:21:24 GMT
I like all the characters' designs revealed so far. Giving a new look to characters is clearly an important aspect of the series. And if you do that with too much constraints you go nowhere. The creators were clearly given an important degree of freedom and so far they seem to have used it in a reasonable way.
Concerning the characters' personalities, I am very much curious about the one that they will give to Donald. Shall it be totally respectful of the way he usually behaves in animations (clumsy and hot-tempered)? Or will they try to mix it with one among the many personalities that Donald shows in comics (you know, the "Barksian" Donald, the "Rosian" Donald, the 100 "Italian" Donald's, etc.)? The former choice is less risky, clearly. In the birthday clip we mainly see a traditional "animation Donald". And that's fine for me, to be clear: that's THE Donald that everyone loves. Still, I hope for a certain courage from the authors on this point.
Uh… perhaps the more recent Italian stories have been doing this, possibly as a consequence of Rosa establishing Rocky to be younger than Scrooge. But in the stories from back in the day, it was rather obvious they were meant to be the same age — sometimes with the same kind of thing going on between them as Scrooge and Glomgold in Flintheart's debut story. Take the Storia and Gloria where they're exacty the same age, to a day.
Well, the last episode of Storia e Gloria should not be taken as representative of the Italian "continuity" of the time, since it shows weird things like Scrooge born during the Klondike Gold Rush, with Scrooge's father (rather than Scrooge himself) participating to it. Not that there ever was a fixed continuity in Italian stories, but Scrooge's background as a Klondike prospector was a running theme in plenty of Italian stories of the time, and is still a running theme today. Scrooge and Rockerduck being born at the same time is one of the weirdnesses of that final episode.
Storia and Gloria is not even representative of Martina's continuity (the author of Storia and Gloria), if any. As a matter of facts, Scrooge makes frequent references to when he was a gold seeker in Klondike in Martina's stories. Storia and Gloria was a story created to promote the gadgets sold with Topolino that summer (the coins with the faces of the characters), and as such should be considered. Please people, contextualize things!
More generally, you guys know what I think: the notion of continuity is a disease in the Disney comics community. But I am tired of repeating myself on this, and in any case I do not want to convince anyone.