international branches of the Junior Woodchucks of the World

[Matilda]

I'd appreciate it if y'all could help construct a list of all the countries (peoples, areas of the world) in which chapters of the Junior Woodchucks have been shown to exist. How many countries got JW chapters in Barks stories? There's "Desert Patrol 646" in "McDuck of Arabia" (they're apparently in Saudi Arabia, going on where the guy is pointing on the map). There's "Arctic Patrol 626" in "North of the Yukon"--they're presumably in the USA (assuming we're in Alaska, not Canada), but count as a different people because they are "Eskimo" (a non-derogatory term still in use in Alaska, covering Yup'ik, Inupiat, Aleut and other Native groups). Where else?

And after Barks.... Off the top of my head, I can think of the Peruvian Woodchucks in the Fallberg/Rota "Treasure Above the Clouds" and the singular Woodchuck on Easter Island in the "Easter-Island Mystery" by Wejp-Olsen & Kenner/Bolster. And Rosa has HDL going to the JW Jamboree in Mexico at the beginning of "The Three Caballeros Ride Again," so there are JWs in Mexico.

I feel sure I've read of more foreign branches, but that's all I can come up with at the moment.

Have any of you read all the Italian GM stories? Do the JWs encounter Woodchucks in other countries in any of those?

[sirtao]

the whole point of the GM book in the 90s was having HLD meeting Woodchucks from around the world...

[RobbK1]

Jun 8, 2017 4:42:19 GMT Matilda said:

I'd appreciate it if y'all could help construct a list of all the countries (peoples, areas of the world) in which chapters of the Junior Woodchucks have been shown to exist. How many countries got JW chapters in Barks stories? There's "Desert Patrol 646" in "McDuck of Arabia" (they're apparently in Saudi Arabia, going on where the guy is pointing on the map). There's "Arctic Patrol 626" in "North of the Yukon"--they're presumably in the USA (assuming we're in Alaska, not Canada), but count as a different people because they are "Eskimo" (a non-derogatory term still in use in Alaska, covering Yup'ik, Inupiat, Aleut and other Native groups). Where else?

And after Barks.... Off the top of my head, I can think of the Peruvian Woodchucks in the Fallberg/Rota "Treasure Above the Clouds" and the singular Woodchuck on Easter Island in the "Easter-Island Mystery" by Wejp-Olsen & Kenner/Bolster. And Rosa has HDL going to the JW Jamboree in Mexico at the beginning of "The Three Caballeros Ride Again," so there are JWs in Mexico.

I feel sure I've read of more foreign branches, but that's all I can come up with at the moment.

Have any of you read all the Italian GM stories? Do the JWs encounter Woodchucks in other countries in any of those?

Actually, the term "Eskimo" was coined by The French trappers and settlers in Quebec and Ontario, to refer to The Inuits there.  While The Aleuts(Unangax Tribe) and Yupiks came from a much earlier migration from Siberia, and aren't closely related to The Inuits.  So, they shouldn't be termed "Eskimos".  The Inuits started arriving in Northern North America and started spreading across towards Greenland in about 3000 B.C.  Those other tribes listed started coming across The Bering Straits possibly around 10,000 B.C., and are likely more closely related to The Athabaskan tribes, which include even The Navajos, Apaches and Aztecs, than they are to The Inuits, despite sharing homes in The Arctic and sub-arctic regions, and having some cultural similarities due to adaptations to the similar climate and environment.  I seem to remember Aleuts and other Native Americans and Native Canadians being "insulted" when called "Eskimos", regardless of whether or not the speakers meant it to be derogatory.  It would be similar to a Japanese person being called "Chinese", or a Slovak being called a Czech.

[Matilda]

Jun 8, 2017 21:55:32 GMT RobbK1 said:

Jun 8, 2017 4:42:19 GMT Matilda said:

I'd appreciate it if y'all could help construct a list of all the countries (peoples, areas of the world) in which chapters of the Junior Woodchucks have been shown to exist. How many countries got JW chapters in Barks stories? There's "Desert Patrol 646" in "McDuck of Arabia" (they're apparently in Saudi Arabia, going on where the guy is pointing on the map). There's "Arctic Patrol 626" in "North of the Yukon"--they're presumably in the USA (assuming we're in Alaska, not Canada), but count as a different people because they are "Eskimo" (a non-derogatory term still in use in Alaska, covering Yup'ik, Inupiat, Aleut and other Native groups). Where else?

And after Barks.... Off the top of my head, I can think of the Peruvian Woodchucks in the Fallberg/Rota "Treasure Above the Clouds" and the singular Woodchuck on Easter Island in the "Easter-Island Mystery" by Wejp-Olsen & Kenner/Bolster. And Rosa has HDL going to the JW Jamboree in Mexico at the beginning of "The Three Caballeros Ride Again," so there are JWs in Mexico.

I feel sure I've read of more foreign branches, but that's all I can come up with at the moment.

Have any of you read all the Italian GM stories? Do the JWs encounter Woodchucks in other countries in any of those?

Actually, the term "Eskimo" was coined by The French trappers and settlers in Quebec and Ontario, to refer to The Inuits there.  While The Aleuts(Unangax Tribe) and Yupiks came from a much earlier migration from Siberia, and aren't closely related to The Inuits.  So, they shouldn't be termed "Eskimos".  The Inuits started arriving in Northern North America and started spreading across towards Greenland in about 3000 B.C.  Those other tribes listed started coming across The Bering Straits possibly around 10,000 B.C., and are likely more closely related to The Athabaskan tribes, which include even The Navajos, Apaches and Aztecs, than they are to The Inuits, despate sharing honmes in The Arctic and sub-arctic regions, and having some cultural similarities due to adaptitions to the similar climate and environment.

Sigh. Yes, I'm aware that the Yup'ik and Aleut people are not closely related to the Inuit. Regardless of the origin of the term "Eskimo", I believe it is currently used in Alaska in the way I described, as a catch-all term of convenience. Wikipedia agrees with me, for what that's worth (I just checked). My point in my earlier post was simply that "Eskimo" is not a derogatory term to be avoided, as some people believe. And that "Inuit", as you know but many do not, is not an appropriate substitute for naming all the Native peoples of Alaska.

But back on topic...Rob, did Barks write of any other far-flung branches of the JWs, in addition to the two I mentioned?

[Matilda]

Jun 8, 2017 16:35:53 GMT sirtao said:

the whole point of the GM book in the 90s was having HLD meeting Woodchucks from around the world...

Ah, in that case perhaps I should just leave that set of stories aside and see what branches of the JWW have been identified in other stories. I do note that Inducks sees the "GM" universe as a separate universe from the "Ducks" universe!

[RobbK1]

Jun 8, 2017 22:16:33 GMT Matilda said:

Jun 8, 2017 16:35:53 GMT sirtao said:

the whole point of the GM book in the 90s was having HLD meeting Woodchucks from around the world...

Ah, in that case perhaps I should just leave that set of stories aside and see what branches of the JWW have been identified in other stories. I do note that Inducks sees the "GM" universe as a separate universe from the "Ducks" universe!

What is the "GM Book"?  Was there a Guido Martina book with just Junior Woodchuck stories?  Like you, I have a feeling that Barks had more than those 2 stories showing Junior woodchuck troops from other countries.  But I can't remember which.  In addition, I seem to remember some being talked about in dialogue in stories, but they weren't shown.  I don't have time to do that research, and I'm in Denmark, and hard at work on 3 different projects (2 of them non-Disney), with no time to do that unpaid "research".  But, I'll be curious to find the answer, especially those from the Italian stories, as I've never really read most of the pocket book stories.

[Matilda]

Jun 8, 2017 22:50:54 GMT RobbK1 said:

Jun 8, 2017 22:16:33 GMT Matilda said:

Ah, in that case perhaps I should just leave that set of stories aside and see what branches of the JWW have been identified in other stories. I do note that Inducks sees the "GM" universe as a separate universe from the "Ducks" universe!

What is the "GM Book"?  Was there a Guido Martina book with just Junior Woodchuck stories?  Like you, I have a feeling that Barks had more than those 2 stories showing Junior woodchuck troops from other countries.  But I can't remember which.  In addition, I seem to remember some being talked about in dialogue in stories, but they weren't shown.  I don't have time to do that research, and I'm in Denmark, and hard at work on 3 different projects (2 of them non-Disney), with no time to do that unpaid "research".  But, I'll be curious to find the answer, especially those from the Italian stories, as I've never really read most of the pocket book stories.

"GM" is the abbreviation for the Italian name of the JWs, Giovani Marmotte (Young Marmots). There was a GM comic in Italy in the 1990's with all stories about the JWs and friends, with new characters created for these stories, both JWs/GM and Chickadees/GE (for "Young Explorers", I believe). As I said above, Inducks doesn't put these characters into its "Ducks" universe, but lists them separately in the "GM" universe. Huey, Dewey and Louie are of course the star Woodchucks/GM, but I don't know how many (if any) other characters are carried over from other sources. The GE troop leader, for instance, is a newly created character named Clarissa, who is young and attractive and wears completely impractical short shorts.

Never mind, no expectations on my part that you'll do unpaid research! Just curious if you could remember any others.

[RobbK1]

Jun 8, 2017 23:55:44 GMT Matilda said:

Jun 8, 2017 22:50:54 GMT RobbK1 said:

What is the "GM Book"?  Was there a Guido Martina book with just Junior Woodchuck stories?  Like you, I have a feeling that Barks had more than those 2 stories showing Junior woodchuck troops from other countries.  But I can't remember which.  In addition, I seem to remember some being talked about in dialogue in stories, but they weren't shown.  I don't have time to do that research, and I'm in Denmark, and hard at work on 3 different projects (2 of them non-Disney), with no time to do that unpaid "research".  But, I'll be curious to find the answer, especially those from the Italian stories, as I've never really read most of the pocket book stories.

"GM" is the abbreviation for the Italian name of the JWs, Giovani Marmotte (Young Marmots). There was a GM comic in Italy in the 1990's with all stories about the JWs and friends, with new characters created for these stories, both JWs/GM and Chickadees/GE (for "Young Explorers", I believe). As I said above, Inducks doesn't put these characters into its "Ducks" universe, but lists them separately in the "GM" universe. Huey, Dewey and Louie are of course the star Woodchucks/GM, but I don't know how many (if any) other characters are carried over from other sources. The GE troop leader, for instance, is a newly created character named Clarissa, who is young and attractive and wears completely impractical short shorts.

Never mind, no expectations on my part that you'll do unpaid research! Just curious if you could remember any others.

Unfortunately I have reached the point in old age at which I am not only losing short-term memory rapidly, but now I am also losing long-term memory.  I've always had a photographic memory and had billions of "facts" stored in my brain which were available to me instantly.  Now, they are still stored there, but many I cannot reach at times.  Had you asked me this question twenty years ago, I'd have been able to rattle off every instance of Barks and the other Western artist/writers' use of Junior Woodchucks/Jonge Woudlopers troops in countries around The World (at least from the US/Canadian and Dutch publications.  So, I am looking forward to reading which troops we have omitted.

[The KKM]

Brazillian stories were implicitly and sometimes explicitly set in Brazil (unlike Italy which made Duckburg explicitly USA), so implicitly there's a Brazillian troop - HDL's!

[drakeborough]

Jun 8, 2017 22:16:33 GMT Matilda said:

I do note that Inducks sees the "GM" universe as a separate universe from the "Ducks" universe!

Well, that's not the only case. For example, Donald and Chip 'n' Dale and Paperino Paperotto are listed as separate universes too.

[Matilda]

Ha! I knew I had seen another case of HDL meeting a JW in a foreign country, in some classic Italian story...and I've just found it again. It's in Massimo De Vita's Paperino e l'eredità di Babe inducks.org/story.php?c=I+TL+1341-AP
Donald and HDL are traveling all around the world in their search for a billionaire who promises to make the one who finds him his heir, and in Turkey they are helped by a friendly local JW. When he and HDL identify each other as JWs, they do "la danse de la joyeuse rencontre" (I have the story in French), which is one of my all-time favorite JW moments.