We know Grandma's aunt married a von Drake, but this does not mean Ludwig is their son. I like to think of Ludwig as their grandson and Donald's second cousin once removed. That's why Daisy refers do him as a sort of uncle to Donald in the Taliaferro strips: he is his father's second cousin
The German translation of "Duckburg, USA" apparently makes it clear that Ludwig is the son of Grandma's maternal aunt and a certain Hofrat Von Drake. I've never seen the penal in question, though; could someone please post it if they have access (as well as, for comparison, the corresponding English version which I'm told does not specify the relationship)?.
Yes, that would be interesting to see. It would make Ludwig much older than i think. If he was married to Matilda, he probably died before 1955...
For what it's worth, at any rate — in the radio show, is the whole "maiden name, separated parents" thing presented as fact, or is this a story told by Donald himself? If the latter, one can always write it off as Donald being an unreliable narrator, though the story could then still retain some grain of truth.
It's apparently a song Donald sings (I'll post it here in case the link ever goes bad):
The absence of Mickey Mouse, however, helped draw more attention to other characters, such as the Grasshopper, Minnie Mouse and Donald Duck. In episode two, we learn additional biographical detail for Donald Duck who recounts in a song he was originally called Donald Drake but changed his name to his mother’s name Duck when his father left them:
My Father left my Mother,
And all his children, too,
He left her for another,
And a darned good riddance. I’m telling you!
His conduct was a shame,
To her he should have stuck,
So I took Mother’s maiden name,
That’s why I’m Donald Duck.
A reviewer for the Yorkshire Post who thought the Disney characters were ‘funnier to watch than to listen to’ did however see this back story of Donald’s as one of the positive point of the broadcast, ‘At the same time, last night's picnic had its points, Donald Duck, the latest addition to the tribe…told us something of his parentage…It was a sad story’. So while the characters might by more vital in their onscreen form, the radio could offer different ways of engaging with and understanding characters.
As to the idea that Donald is confused or unreliable, similar theories (with narrators being untruthful or just plain clueless) have been proposed to explain away in-universe inconsistencies in other contexts, and I've always disliked that approach, as it always strikes me as a means of making excuses for a writer, or a convenient way to paper over continuity errors.
The German translation of "Duckburg, USA" apparently makes it clear that Ludwig is the son of Grandma's maternal aunt and a certain Hofrat Von Drake. I've never seen the penal in question, though; could someone please post it if they have access (as well as, for comparison, the corresponding English version which I'm told does not specify the relationship)?.
Yes, that would be interesting to see. It would make Ludwig much older than i think. If he was married to Matilda, he probably died before 1955...
As we discussed previously on this thread, he could both be Grandma's maternal cousin as well as Matilda's husband (the marriage taking place after the bulk of Taliaferro strips and animated specials where his bachelor status is made clear), a solution which would satisfy all previously proposed and revealed aspects of his relationship to the other Ducks (although, honestly, the only thing supporting the Ludwig-Matilda relationship is Rosa's unofficial theory that it exists; on the other hand there's a lot of evidence that argues against it). Also, Grandma's maternal aunt could be younger than her, so Ludwig is not necessarily older than you might otherwise think.
My mind just went to a dark place about what terrible thing could have caused the estrangement between Mr. Drake and Hortense, why Donald would apparently hate him so much, and HD&L's parentage ...
I just realized that the quote from the relevant article doesn't actually mention the name, "Drake". The article itself does, but their transcription of Donald's song has no mention of it. Clearly, the implication is that his father was a Drake, since drake is a term used to refer to male ducks, but was it explicitly stated anywhere in the program that the surname of his father was in fact Drake? If not, maybe we could tie in another property and say that Hortense's husband's surname was Wibblewobble. Maybe this Mr. Wibblewobble was Seppi Deppi's father.
My mind just went to a dark place about what terrible thing could have caused the estrangement between Mr. Drake and Hortense, why Donald would apparently hate him so much, and HD&L's parentage ...
I just realized that the quote from the relevant article doesn't actually mention the name, "Drake". The article itself does, but their transcription of Donald's song has no mention of it. Clearly, the implication is that his father was a Drake, since drake is a term used to refer to male ducks, but was it explicitly stated anywhere in the program that the surname of his father was in fact Drake? If not, maybe we could tie in another property and say that Hortense's husband's surname was Wibblewobble. Maybe this Mr. Wibblewobble was Seppi Deppi's father.
Is Deppi said to be Donald's brother? I always thought he was a cousin, perhaps the son of Otto
I just realized that the quote from the relevant article doesn't actually mention the name, "Drake". The article itself does, but their transcription of Donald's song has no mention of it. Clearly, the implication is that his father was a Drake, since drake is a term used to refer to male ducks, but was it explicitly stated anywhere in the program that the surname of his father was in fact Drake? If not, maybe we could tie in another property and say that Hortense's husband's surname was Wibblewobble. Maybe this Mr. Wibblewobble was Seppi Deppi's father.
Is Deppi said to be Donald's brother? I always thought he was a cousin, perhaps the son of Otto
If my understanding is correct, Seppi Deppi was briefly mentioned in Erika Fuchs's German localization of High-wire Daredevils as Huey, Dewey, and Louie's uncle. I think it's possible that he's not even on Donald's side of the family. He's just Huey, Dewey, and Louie's uncle. Unless I'm mistaken, that's all we know.
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I thought about all this Donald Drake-stuff, and I started wondering what that version of the family tree would look like. This one favors information from the cartoons more than the comics, since that's where all of this stuff comes from if I understand correctly. Obviously, this is not my vision of the true tree, but I thought it would be interesting anyways.
Probably the only thing that needs explaining is the placement of Scrooge. Since Donald's parents are von Drakes and Ducks in this version, a McDuck can't be Donald's real uncle. He would fit better as a grand-uncle. I actually wish Barks would have made him Don's grand-uncle for real, since Scrooge is around two generations older than Donald anyways. I placed him as the grand-uncle on Donald's father's side, since neither Grandma Duck or Grandpappy from No Hunting are Scottish. Ludwig's mother could be though. Oh yeah, it might be a bit strange that Scrooge is now Ludwig's uncle, but... who cares - this was a fun experiment.
If this was too irrelevant for this thread, I'm sorry for wasting your time.
I thought about all this Donald Drake-stuff, and I started wondering what that version of the family tree would look like. This one favors information from the cartoons more than the comics, since that's where all of this stuff comes from if I understand correctly. Obviously, this is not my vision of the true tree, but I thought it would be interesting anyways.
Probably the only thing that needs explaining is the placement of Scrooge. Since Donald's parents are von Drakes and Ducks in this version, a McDuck can't be Donald's real uncle. He would fit better as a grand-uncle. I actually wish Barks would have made him Don's grand-uncle for real, since Scrooge is around two generations older than Donald anyways. I placed him as the grand-uncle on Donald's father's side, since neither Grandma Duck or Grandpappy from No Hunting are Scottish. Ludwig's mother could be though. Oh yeah, it might be a bit strange that Scrooge is now Ludwig's uncle, but... who cares - this was a fun experiment.
If this was too irrelevant for this thread, I'm sorry for wasting your time.
I like it. It's nice to see a visualization of what the Duck family tree might have looked like had authors continued with the Drake line of thought and had Rosa not written much to contradict this (though I suppose this tree may work for one whose headcanon completely excludes Rosa). There is one problem with it. Dumbella was Donald's sister according to Donald's Nephews, not cousin. Della of the Taliaferro strips was Donald's cousin.
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I just realized that the quote from the relevant article doesn't actually mention the name, "Drake". The article itself does, but their transcription of Donald's song has no mention of it. Clearly, the implication is that his father was a Drake, since drake is a term used to refer to male ducks, but was it explicitly stated anywhere in the program that the surname of his father was in fact Drake? If not, maybe we could tie in another property and say that Hortense's husband's surname was Wibblewobble. Maybe this Mr. Wibblewobble was Seppi Deppi's father.
Is Deppi said to be Donald's brother? I always thought he was a cousin, perhaps the son of Otto
Not in the Fuchs story, but he is in Grote's Duck Family Tree, which is really what the page is based on. What's more, Grote went out of his way to find a decent Donald-like portrait in a Barks story to illustrate him.
Post by Baar Baar Jinx on Oct 25, 2019 21:53:29 GMT
The Scrooge McDuck Wiki says, "Ludwig von Drake has been referred to as a direct uncle of Daisy Duck" but provides no source. Where does this idea come from? (Additionally, the page treats "Otto Duck" as Daisy's father's official name, which I don't believe is accurate, but that's another issue altogether.)
I like it. It's nice to see a visualization of what the Duck family tree might have looked like had authors continued with the Drake line of thought and had Rosa not written much to contradict this (though I suppose this tree may work for one whose headcanon completely excludes Rosa). There is one problem with it. Dumbella was Donald's sister according to Donald's Nephews, not cousin. Della of the Taliaferro strips was Donald's cousin.
Whoops, I guess I mixed up the Della thing! That's what I get for not double-checking before creating stuff!
I wouldn't blame Rosa for the contradictions. His tree was based on information from Barks' Race to the South Seas!. So Barks was the one who contradicted the Drake-connection first.
The Scrooge McDuck Wiki says, "Ludwig von Drake has been referred to as a direct uncle of Daisy Duck" but provides no source. Where does this idea come from? (Additionally, the page treats "Otto Duck" as Daisy's father's official name, which I don't believe is accurate, but that's another issue altogether.)
I don't know about the Ludwig-thing, but Otto is Daisy's father in Johnny A Grote's family tree, which can be found on Gilles Maurice's Duck trees-page. Coincidentally enough, the portrait used to represent Otto in the tree is fairly similar to Daisy's father from Donald's Diary.
I like it. It's nice to see a visualization of what the Duck family tree might have looked like had authors continued with the Drake line of thought and had Rosa not written much to contradict this (though I suppose this tree may work for one whose headcanon completely excludes Rosa). There is one problem with it. Dumbella was Donald's sister according to Donald's Nephews, not cousin. Della of the Taliaferro strips was Donald's cousin.
Whoops, I guess I mixed up the Della thing! That's what I get for not double-checking before creating stuff!
I wouldn't blame Rosa for the contradictions. His tree was based on information from Barks' Race to the South Seas!. So Barks was the one who contradicted the Drake-connection first.
Very true. I wasn't thinking of that. I was more so thinking of Rosa establishing firmly that the Ducks are the paternal side of Donald's family and the McDucks are the maternal side. I don't know if there was any other story or author who made that as explicit as Rosa did. I was also thinking of the way Grandma and Scrooge are related. Rosa's work is crystal clear: Scrooge's sister married Grandma's son. Obviously, your tree contradicts that.
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Very true. I wasn't thinking of that. I was more so thinking of Rosa establishing firmly that the Ducks are the paternal side of Donald's family and the McDucks are the maternal side. I don't know if there was any other story or author who made that as explicit as Rosa did. I was also thinking of the way Grandma and Scrooge are related. Rosa's work is crystal clear: Scrooge's sister married Grandma's son. Obviously, your tree contradicts that.
In Race to the South Seas!, Donald states "And my uncle on my mother's side is Scrooge McDuck, the richest man in the world!". I'd say that's pretty explicit. Sure, Rosa actually showed Hortense growing up with Scrooge and later as Donald's mother, so I guess that's even more explicit, but my point still stands.
Race to the South Seas! also has Gladstone say "Scrooge McDuck is my mother's brother's brother-in-law, [...]". I can't quite think clearly enough right now if that statement is compatible with Grandma being on Donald's mother's side, considering Donald and Gladstone are cousins.
I thought about all this Donald Drake-stuff, and I started wondering what that version of the family tree would look like. This one favors information from the cartoons more than the comics, since that's where all of this stuff comes from if I understand correctly. Obviously, this is not my vision of the true tree, but I thought it would be interesting anyways.
Probably the only thing that needs explaining is the placement of Scrooge. Since Donald's parents are von Drakes and Ducks in this version, a McDuck can't be Donald's real uncle. He would fit better as a grand-uncle. I actually wish Barks would have made him Don's grand-uncle for real, since Scrooge is around two generations older than Donald anyways. I placed him as the grand-uncle on Donald's father's side, since neither Grandma Duck or Grandpappy from No Hunting are Scottish. Ludwig's mother could be though. Oh yeah, it might be a bit strange that Scrooge is now Ludwig's uncle, but... who cares - this was a fun experiment.
If this was too irrelevant for this thread, I'm sorry for wasting your time.
This tree is very good. Why don't you try to expand it with all the relatives mentioned in animation (Old cartoons, 1990's animated shows and others), excluding, of course, Ducktales 2017, since it is too based on Rosa's work and contradicts the "Donald Drake" stuff
(By the way, i also wished Scrooge was Donald's great-uncle because it would make much more sense chronologically. When i was a kid and read my first Disney comics, i always thought Scrooge was Grandma's brother-in-law)
