Might as well open the thread and see what response I get over the next few days.
Basically, while I already have an idea of what the general opinion on the Duck & Mouse comics from Brasil are [primarily 'we never got to read them so we don't really know that much'], I figured it might be nice to actually use my knowledge of 90s and 00s comic books and explain a little about, at the very least, three characters fairly associated with Brasil [Zé Carioca, Pata Lee/Dickie Duck, and Peninha/Fethry Duck], as well as any other characters that may be associated, but I didn't know about the more explicit connection. I guess you could say these'll be small articles? Hopefully interesting ones too.
I'll see what I can do about answering other questions, but hopefully it won't go too far from my actual range of knowledge; due to circumstances, I've only collected the equivalent of custom tradebacks in recent years, and can't really afford to keep small comics anyway.
Trying to revive this discussion, I can also help with some stories, especially about Zé Carioca!
I’d be very interested to hear what you have to say about Ze Carioca (sorry, can’t do the accents on my phone!) or other characters in Brazilian Disney comics. If you want to write posts sometime on how that character or others were developed in Brazilian comics, I promise to comment, even though I don’t have much experience with those comics. I’ve only read a handful that have been printed in German or French. But I’m interested in what sort of character Ze became, and also in some of the more female-oriented Brazilian comics stories: the ones with Magica, Mim and Witch Child (both versions!), the ones with Pata Lee and her teenage friends (are those sort of like Archie comics used to be?), the 1980’s New Daisy stories (I like the ones where she interacts with mermaids and Amazons best!).
I very much like the local variations of Ze Carioca from Brazil.
For instance Ze Paulista who is a workalcholic and may take a few days of vacation every 10 years (of course, this relative of JOC lives in Sao Paulo).
Zé Baiano Brazilian, parrot, JOC's cousin, native of the State of Bahia and living there.
Zé Jandaia Brazilian, parrot, JOC's cousin, native of the State of Ceará and living there. He's a humble fisherman
Zé Pampeiro Brazilian, parrot, JOC's cousin, native of the State of Rio Grande do Sul and living there. He's a genuine "gaucho" of the Pampas
Zé Pantaneiro Brazilian, parrot, JOC's cousin, native of the State of Mato Grosso, living in the swamp area
Zé Paulista Brazilian, parrot, JOC's cousin, native of the State and City of Sao Paulo and living there. He's a workaholic
Zé Queijinho Brazilian, parrot, JOC's hillbilly cousin, native of the State of Minas Gerais and living there. He's a humble farmer and has a female pet goat
Zé Cariboca Brazilian, a JOC's ancestor
Zé das Selvas 2000, JOC spoofing a jungle hero. Not to be confused with "Tarzé da Selva" (1993, JOC imagining himself and friends as jungle heroes) and another "Zé das Selvas" (1976, JOC playing a jungle hero in a movie)
Zé Gaivota Birdbeak sailor friend of JOC
Zé Galo Brazilian, rooster. JOC's rival. Full name Galdino José Chaves
Zé Lorota JOC's dishonest lookalike, often hired by his enemies to fool his friends (Carioca)
Zé Picareta A birdbeak crook (Carioca)
I'm not sure if they were used outside Brazil at all.
I very much like the local variations of Ze Carioca from Brazil.
For instance Ze Paulista who is a workalcholic and may take a few days of vacation every 10 years (of course, this relative of JOC lives in Sao Paulo).
Zé Baiano Brazilian, parrot, JOC's cousin, native of the State of Bahia and living there.
Zé Jandaia Brazilian, parrot, JOC's cousin, native of the State of Ceará and living there. He's a humble fisherman
Zé Pampeiro Brazilian, parrot, JOC's cousin, native of the State of Rio Grande do Sul and living there. He's a genuine "gaucho" of the Pampas
Zé Pantaneiro Brazilian, parrot, JOC's cousin, native of the State of Mato Grosso, living in the swamp area
Zé Paulista Brazilian, parrot, JOC's cousin, native of the State and City of Sao Paulo and living there. He's a workaholic
Zé Queijinho Brazilian, parrot, JOC's hillbilly cousin, native of the State of Minas Gerais and living there. He's a humble farmer and has a female pet goat
Zé Cariboca Brazilian, a JOC's ancestor
Zé das Selvas 2000, JOC spoofing a jungle hero. Not to be confused with "Tarzé da Selva" (1993, JOC imagining himself and friends as jungle heroes) and another "Zé das Selvas" (1976, JOC playing a jungle hero in a movie)
Zé Gaivota Birdbeak sailor friend of JOC
Zé Galo Brazilian, rooster. JOC's rival. Full name Galdino José Chaves
Zé Lorota JOC's dishonest lookalike, often hired by his enemies to fool his friends (Carioca)
Zé Picareta A birdbeak crook (Carioca)
I'm not sure if they were used outside Brazil at all.
I don't really like those characters, because they are negative stereotypes of every state/region in Brazil (north-easterns as lazy folk, people from Minas Gerais as naive hillbillys). Maybe the best version of Jose was made by Renato Canini, the first to adapte Brazilian culture to the stories, including samba, favelas, the paralel lottery called "jogo do bicho" (an illegal gambling incredibly popular in Brazil).
I very much like the local variations of Ze Carioca from Brazil.
For instance Ze Paulista who is a workalcholic and may take a few days of vacation every 10 years (of course, this relative of JOC lives in Sao Paulo).
Zé Baiano Brazilian, parrot, JOC's cousin, native of the State of Bahia and living there.
Zé Jandaia Brazilian, parrot, JOC's cousin, native of the State of Ceará and living there. He's a humble fisherman
Zé Pampeiro Brazilian, parrot, JOC's cousin, native of the State of Rio Grande do Sul and living there. He's a genuine "gaucho" of the Pampas
Zé Pantaneiro Brazilian, parrot, JOC's cousin, native of the State of Mato Grosso, living in the swamp area
Zé Paulista Brazilian, parrot, JOC's cousin, native of the State and City of Sao Paulo and living there. He's a workaholic
Zé Queijinho Brazilian, parrot, JOC's hillbilly cousin, native of the State of Minas Gerais and living there. He's a humble farmer and has a female pet goat
Zé Cariboca Brazilian, a JOC's ancestor
Zé das Selvas 2000, JOC spoofing a jungle hero. Not to be confused with "Tarzé da Selva" (1993, JOC imagining himself and friends as jungle heroes) and another "Zé das Selvas" (1976, JOC playing a jungle hero in a movie)
Zé Gaivota Birdbeak sailor friend of JOC
Zé Galo Brazilian, rooster. JOC's rival. Full name Galdino José Chaves
Zé Lorota JOC's dishonest lookalike, often hired by his enemies to fool his friends (Carioca)
Zé Picareta A birdbeak crook (Carioca)
I'm not sure if they were used outside Brazil at all.
I don't really like those characters, because they are negative stereotypes of every state/region in Brazil (north-easterns as lazy folk, people from Minas Gerais as naive hillbillys). Maybe the best version of Jose was made by Renato Canini, the first to adapte Brazilian culture to the stories, including samba, favelas, the paralel lottery called "jogo do bicho" (an illegal gambling incredibly popular in Brazil).
Renato Canini is for me the father of Zé Carioca, he set some standards for the character that are still used today. A GOD! And as for stereotypes, they are not necessarily negative, but even easy to identify within regionally made jokes. I really like these characters, so much that I'm writing a story of my own, like a "Ducktales", he'll be Zé's rich cousin.
The Zé comics in Brazil started with stories of Donald remade with the parrot in place, it was Canini who started a more original work. Unfortunately in the last years of the magazine - before the publisher Abril lost the rights of the characters - they changed some things that bothered me, like the Morcego-Verde uniform (a hero who is Zé Carioca).
Trying to revive this discussion, I can also help with some stories, especially about Zé Carioca!
I’d be very interested to hear what you have to say about Ze Carioca (sorry, can’t do the accents on my phone!) or other characters in Brazilian Disney comics. If you want to write posts sometime on how that character or others were developed in Brazilian comics, I promise to comment, even though I don’t have much experience with those comics. I’ve only read a handful that have been printed in German or French. But I’m interested in what sort of character Ze became, and also in some of the more female-oriented Brazilian comics stories: the ones with Magica, Mim and Witch Child (both versions!), the ones with Pata Lee and her teenage friends (are those sort of like Archie comics used to be?), the 1980’s New Daisy stories (I like the ones where she interacts with mermaids and Amazons best!).
I have scans of many stories, because of my study for the comic I'm working on. I read all the stories that appear in Zé Paulista to give loyalty. I wanted to be Zé Carioca's "Don Rosa"! lol
Since you are Don Rosa's Jose Carioca, would you explain "O Código da Trinta" for this poor reader? It's very intriguing really. inducks.org/story.php?c=B+050001
Canini's stories often contain very interesting ideas. This one for instance inducks.org/story.php?c=B+820078 where people think Jose Carioca is a debt collector (!), is really good.
Since you are Don Rosa's Jose Carioca, would you explain "O Código da Trinta" for this poor reader? It's very intriguing really. inducks.org/story.php?c=B+050001
Canini's stories often contain very interesting ideas. This one for instance inducks.org/story.php?c=B+820078 where people think Jose Carioca is a debt collector (!), is really good.
This story is a very good joke, full of references to Canini's career, it was made especially for Disney Masters (I don't know the name of this work abroad, I just translated it literally) - I'm not a fan of this story to be honest hahahaha. I prefer the other story that should be published in her place, but that the publisher stopped, but was released after Canini's death in issue 2391, it is called "very crazy escape from Zé Carioca".
Thank you for the information, would you be able to give more details on the references (to Canini's career, or other) in B 050001 ? what are these "hidden" references ? Also, can you indicate the storycode or publication information for the story you mention ("Crazy escape"). Issue 2391 of Pato Donald does not contain Brazilian stories, nor could I find any story by Canini published after his death in Inducks.
Thank you for the information, would you be able to give more details on the references (to Canini's career, or other) in B 050001 ? what are these "hidden" references ? Also, can you indicate the storycode or publication information for the story you mention ("Crazy escape"). Issue 2391 of Pato Donald does not contain Brazilian stories, nor could I find any story by Canini published after his death in Inducks.
I will try to quote some references that I understood. The front page is an allusion to him going 30 years without drawing the character and having "lost his style". Another sequence that addresses this is almost in the last pages of the story where the same character appears in several different styles - the evolution of the styles of the parrot's comics. But the story itself has a lot of reference that I don't understand. I am friends on social networks with the editor of Disney magazines in Brazil, I will ask him for a hand to understand better.
About the story I mentioned being better, Zé Carioca had his own title, so it's number 2391 of himself. I found the code for story B 2013-013.
Funny thing happened today: my 5 years old son told me that he likes "Donald Duck's green friend called José". It was funny because in Brazilian comics he's named "Zé Carioca", but my kiddo only knows him from the Mickey Mouse Roadster Racers cartoon, in which Zé Carioca is called only José, even when dubbed in Portuguese.
Funny thing happened today: my 5 years old son told me that he likes "Donald Duck's green friend called José". It was funny because in Brazilian comics he's named "Zé Carioca", but my kiddo only knows him from the Mickey Mouse Roadster Racers cartoon, in which Zé Carioca is called only José, even when dubbed in Portuguese.
Has "Legend of the Three Caballeros" been dubbed in Portuguese? I wonder what Donald's green friend is called there.
I'm enjoying watching LTC again, having signed up for a month of Disney+.