Scrooge knowing Glomgold when they were young

[Orora]

When Carl Barks introduced Flintheart Glomgold, it was obviously supposed to be that Scrooge never met him before.

When Don Rosa made Glomgold appear in Life and Times, he meets Scrooge, but Scrooge never learns his name. And because they are young, it makes sense he doesn't recognize him when they meet again as very old men. (and him not learning his name makes it more believable)


However, I've read a story in my childhood that I recently rediscovered: Plunkett's Emporium, where Scrooge remembers that, when he was a young man, he was partners with Glomgold in a store, knowing each other very well, and competing to run the business!


It's one thing to go against the canon of other authors... (after all you cannot read everything)

It's one thing to go against the canon of very well-regarded authors such as Rosa... (after all it's not mandatory and to each their own)

But it's another thing when it clearly contradicts the story where the character originated!!



Oh and on a side note, the story begins with Scrooge and HDL visiting Disneyland, but the whole plot is about Scrooge reminiscing his young rivalry with Glomgold. Why did you even set the story in Disneyland in the first place?? Why waste the potential of a story in actual Disneyland??

This kind of cop-out was also done in another Vicar story: Adventures in Fantasyland which is set in France's Euro Disney. Instead of actually taking advantage of the location (Disneyland in France!), the story is about Donald travelling to medieval times, something about a knight, princess and dragon... why did you even set the story in Euro Disney in the first place? Especially when the magazine this story appeared in was celebrating the opening of Euro Disney in 1992!

[Scrooge MacDuck]

Aug 18, 2017 22:06:03 GMT Orora said:

When Carl Barks introduced Flintheart Glomgold, it was obviously supposed to be that Scrooge never met him before.

When Don Rosa made Glomgold appear in Life and Times, he meets Scrooge, but Scrooge never learns his name. And because they are young, it makes sense he doesn't recognize him when they meet again as very old men. (and him not learning his name makes it more believable)


However, I've read a story in my childhood that I recently rediscovered: Plunkett's Emporium, where Scrooge remembers that, when he was a young man, he was partners with Glomgold in a store, knowing each other very well, and competing to run the business!


It's one thing to go against the canon of other authors... (after all you cannot read everything)

It's one thing to go against the canon of very well-regarded authors such as Rosa... (after all it's not mandatory and to each their own)

But it's another thing when it clearly contradicts the story where the character originated!! (1)



Oh and on a side note, the story begins with Scrooge and HDL visiting Disneyland, but the whole plot is about Scrooge reminiscing his young rivalry with Glomgold. Why did you even set the story in Disneyland in the first place?? Why waste the potential of a story in actual Disneyland?? (2)

(1) I dunno. I do wish this story didn't do this because it contradicts Barks… but I don't feel like this was mandatory for them to observe Barks rules at this point. If this had been Chisel McSue or someone like that, yes, but Glomgold has broken out into the wider Disney comics world as a regular, and this means he is a sort of "timeless ideal" of the Barks character, whose debut story is not necessarily relevant to modern stories. The same way some biographies of Donald ignore Wise Little Hen or some stories clearly not accounting for Christmas on Bear Mountain (pre-Rosa, that is).

(2) May be editorial decree. Either way, in this case it perfectly parallels a classic Barks tale of Scrooge's youth, namely The Fantastic River Race!, which has the very same frame device of having a first page of Scrooge in Disneyland and being reminded of an old adventure by something he sees there. Naturally, in that case it was because River Race! was part of a larger "the characters to to Disneyland" frame story by another writer, but since the Barks tale is often reprinted separate from said framing story, I can totally see the writer of Plunkett's Emporium seeing the Barks story on its own and decide to emulate the Master.

[Orora]

Aug 18, 2017 22:24:49 GMT Scrooge MacDuck said:

Aug 18, 2017 22:06:03 GMT Orora said:

When Carl Barks introduced Flintheart Glomgold, it was obviously supposed to be that Scrooge never met him before.

When Don Rosa made Glomgold appear in Life and Times, he meets Scrooge, but Scrooge never learns his name. And because they are young, it makes sense he doesn't recognize him when they meet again as very old men. (and him not learning his name makes it more believable)


However, I've read a story in my childhood that I recently rediscovered: Plunkett's Emporium, where Scrooge remembers that, when he was a young man, he was partners with Glomgold in a store, knowing each other very well, and competing to run the business!


It's one thing to go against the canon of other authors... (after all you cannot read everything)

It's one thing to go against the canon of very well-regarded authors such as Rosa... (after all it's not mandatory and to each their own)

But it's another thing when it clearly contradicts the story where the character originated!! (1)



Oh and on a side note, the story begins with Scrooge and HDL visiting Disneyland, but the whole plot is about Scrooge reminiscing his young rivalry with Glomgold. Why did you even set the story in Disneyland in the first place?? Why waste the potential of a story in actual Disneyland?? (2)

(1) I dunno. I do wish this story didn't do this because it contradicts Barks… but I don't feel like this was mandatory for them to observe Barks rules at this point. If this had been Chisel McSue or someone like that, yes, but Glomgold has broken out into the wider Disney comics world as a regular, and this means he is a sort of "timeless ideal" of the Barks character, whose debut story is not necessarily relevant to modern stories. The same way some biographies of Donald ignore Wise Little Hen or some stories clearly not accounting for Christmas on Bear Mountain (pre-Rosa, that is).

(2) May be editorial decree. Either way, in this case it perfectly parallels a classic Barks tale of Scrooge's youth, namely The Fantastic River Race!, which has the very same frame device of having a first page of Scrooge in Disneyland and being reminded of an old adventure by something he sees there. Naturally, in that case it was because River Race! was part of a larger "the characters to to Disneyland" frame story by another writer, but since the Barks tale is often reprinted separate from said framing story, I can totally see the writer of Plunkett's Emporium seeing the Barks story on its own and decide to emulate the Master.

So it was all inspired by River Race, eh? I should really try to find this story, I don't own it yet...

On a side note, Donald Duck's Wise Little Hen origin was kinda "retconned" into an Italian story... instead of the Hen, the same story happened with Grandma Duck. At least Donald Duck eventually felt sorry for Grandma. Also, no Peter Pig.

[RobbK1]

I don't like Scrooge and Glomgold owning a store together during their youths, unless their store was in South Africa, and Glomgold was using a false name, or we can show clearly that Glomgold left South Africa, and teamed up with Scrooge under a false name, and using a false accent; AND we can also have released together with it, a reprint version of 'The Second Richest Duck", including cut scenes in which we see Glomgold remembering his old partnership with Scrooge and thinking that with his new, fake Scottish accent and whiskers, Scrooge won't recognise him.

I don't like undoing what Barks portrayed, especially when it introduced a new character.

[Scrooge MacDuck]

Aug 19, 2017 10:12:46 GMT RobbK1 said:

I don't like Scrooge and Glomgold owning a store together during their youths, unless their store was in South Africa, and Glomgold was using a false name, or we can show clearly that Glomgold left South Africa, and teamed up with Scrooge under a false name, and using a false accent; AND we can also have released together with it, a reprint version of 'The Second Richest Duck", including cut scenes in which we see Glomgold remembering his old partnership with Scrooge and thinking that with his new, fake Scottish accent and whiskers, Scrooge won't recognise him.

I don't like undoing what Barks portrayed, especially when it introduced a new character.

I agree. On the other hand, one thing to note is that, as far as I'm aware (from the French version), nothing actually contradicts the titular Emporium from being, indeed, set in South Africa. 

[Hector]

There is so much worse:
-Scrooge being born in America.
-Grandma Duck being Scrooge's sister.
-Grandma Duck calling Hewey/Lewey/Dewey her nephews.
-Scrooge going to college. (and this is even Barks!)