That reminds me of a Christmas film named "Mickey's Twice Upon a Christmas" from 2005 (one of the first times I ever saw Scrooge McDuck; I used to watch that film all the time when I was little) where Scrooge warns the boys that, if they keep getting into mischief, they won't be on Santa's list. He then tells them that the one thing that his money couldn't buy was a place on Santa's list, and that (presumably because of his greed and selfishness) he therefore never gets presents during Christmas. (I found a still image from the film, the scene where Scrooge tells his nephews about Santa's list:
Probably of no interest to the die-hard comic fans among us, but still remarkable for being one of the few times in animation where Scrooge talks about his Scottish roots.
That reminds me of a Christmas film named "Mickey's Twice Upon a Christmas" from 2005 (one of the first times I ever saw Scrooge McDuck; I used to watch that film all the time when I was little) where Scrooge warns the boys that, if they keep getting into mischief, they won't be on Santa's list. He then tells them that the one thing that his money couldn't buy was a place on Santa's list, and that (presumably because of his greed and selfishness) he therefore never gets presents during Christmas. (I found a still image from the film, the scene where Scrooge tells his nephews about Santa's list:
Probably of no interest to the die-hard comic fans among us, but still remarkable for being one of the few times in animation where Scrooge talks about his Scottish roots.
Did Scrooge have his Christmas stocking filled with lumps of coal? At least they could have been used to warm his parents' house.
That reminds me of a Christmas film named "Mickey's Twice Upon a Christmas" from 2005 (one of the first times I ever saw Scrooge McDuck; I used to watch that film all the time when I was little) where Scrooge warns the boys that, if they keep getting into mischief, they won't be on Santa's list. He then tells them that the one thing that his money couldn't buy was a place on Santa's list, and that (presumably because of his greed and selfishness) he therefore never gets presents during Christmas. (I found a still image from the film, the scene where Scrooge tells his nephews about Santa's list:
Probably of no interest to the die-hard comic fans among us, but still remarkable for being one of the few times in animation where Scrooge talks about his Scottish roots.
Well, you know it's of high interest to me inasmuch as I take almost everything as 'canon' within my view of the Duckverse, and this special is no exception. If nothing else, I think it's rather notable as one of the most comic-accurate cartoons as far as the Duck family goes (it has classic, non-navy Donald in charge of the nephews interacting with Scrooge).
That reminds me of a Christmas film named "Mickey's Twice Upon a Christmas" from 2005 (one of the first times I ever saw Scrooge McDuck; I used to watch that film all the time when I was little) where Scrooge warns the boys that, if they keep getting into mischief, they won't be on Santa's list. He then tells them that the one thing that his money couldn't buy was a place on Santa's list, and that (presumably because of his greed and selfishness) he therefore never gets presents during Christmas. (I found a still image from the film, the scene where Scrooge tells his nephews about Santa's list:
Probably of no interest to the die-hard comic fans among us, but still remarkable for being one of the few times in animation where Scrooge talks about his Scottish roots.
Well, you know it's of high interest to me inasmuch as I take almost everything as 'canon' within my view of the Duckverse, and this special is no exception. If nothing else, I think it's rather notable as one of the most comic-accurate cartoons as far as the Duck family goes (it has classic, non-navy Donald in charge of the nephews interacting with Scrooge).
I also really like the story of the "Christmas: Impossible" segment of "Twice Upon a Christmas"--so much so that I've watched it a number of times, despite the fact that I seriously dislike the look of the CGI-animated Ducks. I agree that it fits in well with the world of the comics, Scrooge's Scottish past and all.
Do you mean, "Which Disney Comic characters should have their bottoms paddled by Swarte Piet???
BAH! In Poland Santa beats the naughty children with a stick himself! He dosen't need no racial sensitivity questionable sidekcik to do his dirty work! Our Santa is PC
And yhe I like the Scrooges part of "Twice upon Christmas" as well. Sadly CGI in the short didn't aged very well - It looks great at the time it came out, but now it feels a little bit cheap or sloppy. Minnie and Daisy segment has so wonserful colors.
Depends on what criteria you use to judge them. According to the true Christianity's teachings, we are all sinful trash in God's eyes, so everybody, even the nephews, are in the list. If we judge them by human logic, the only trully evil chracters are Beagle Boys (Barks/Rosa), Glomgold and Scrooge (Martina).
Depends on what criteria you use to judge them. According to the true Christianity's teachings, we are all sinful trash in God's eyes, so everybody, even the nephews, are in the list.
Heyyyyy, here comes Whatever to make everything worse as usual. Seriously now, Whatever — I know you usually mean well, but as a rule of thumb, don't try to drag religion into discussions that weren't related to it in the first place. It's only begging for trouble, especially on the Internet.
Depends on what criteria you use to judge them. According to the true Christianity's teachings, we are all sinful trash in God's eyes, so everybody, even the nephews, are in the list.
Heyyyyy, here comes Whatever to make everything worse as usual. Seriously now, Whatever — I know you usually mean well, but as a rule of thumb, don't try to drag religion into discussions that weren't related to it in the first place. It's only begging for trouble, especially on the Internet.
Depends on what criteria you use to judge them. According to the true Christianity's teachings, we are all sinful trash in God's eyes, so everybody, even the nephews, are in the list. If we judge them by human logic, the only trully evil chracters are Beagle Boys (Barks/Rosa), Glomgold and Scrooge (Martina).
Man, what on earth are you talking about. What even are you considering "true Christianity's teachings"? Because if you want to go on such literal terms, we very specifically are not sinful trash, it's the whole point of Christ's death, he died to redeem our sins and thus we're free from the original sin.
This of course ignores that we're talking about Santa Claus, so why're you trying to act intellectual bringing religious purity into this?
Depends on what criteria you use to judge them. According to the true Christianity's teachings, we are all sinful trash in God's eyes, so everybody, even the nephews, are in the list. If we judge them by human logic, the only truly evil characters are Beagle Boys (Barks/Rosa), Glomgold and Scrooge (Martina).
Man, what on earth are you talking about. What even are you considering "true Christianity's teachings"? Because if you want to go on such literal terms, we very specifically are not sinful trash, it's the whole point of Christ's death, he died to redeem our sins and thus we're free from the original sin.
This of course ignores that we're talking about Santa Claus, so why're you trying to act intellectual bringing religious purity into this?
Exactly! Santa Claus, as he pertains to The Christian Religion, has nothing to do with punishing children for committing sins. There is nothing in The New Testament about an Anatolian Greek Eastern Orthodox priest and Bishop of Myra in Cilicia, from The 4th Century A.D. punishing people for their sins by paddling their fannies, or giving them lumps of coal, instead of giving them gifts to commemorate either his own saintly life of giving gifts to the poor, needy children, prostitutes or sailors or travelers, or commemorating Jesus Christ's birth by helping the poor and needy, or, commemorating The 3 Wise Men from The East, bringing gifts to commemorate Jesus Christ's birth.
Celebrating Jesus Christ's birthday on December 25 was only done to appease The Pagans, to get them to accept Christianity, by allowing them to continue celebrating the Sun's moving back towards The Earth after The Winter Solstace. IF Jesus Christ actually existed, the odds are that his birth didn't even occur in winter. Celebrating Saint Nikolas' death on December 6th because he helped poor and needy people also has nothing to do with punishing "sinful" children, by flogging them, or even withholding their gifts. They WERE NOT promised those gifts in The New Testament. Christmas as celebrated by placing gifts in wooden shoes or long stockings or under a fir tree (Jul log) is Pagan and secular holiday. If it DID have anything to with being a proper Christian, it wouldn't be portrayed at all in Disney films or books.
Being a non-Christian, I would have no idea about The Western celebration of so-called "Christmas" had it been only a religious holiday. Having lived in Christian countries (Canada/USA/Netherlands/Denmark/Germany) all my life, I have no idea about Maria Himmelfahrt, Pfinksten(Pinksten), Ash Wednesday, Shrove Tuesday, Good Friday, and only know the non-religious (secular/commercial) Pagan-based versions of Sankt Nikolaas Dag(Steamboat/Swarte Piet/Horse on rooftops), Easter (Easter Bunny, egg hunt), All Hallow's Eve (Hallowe'en) and The Sinterklaas/Father Christmas Pagan Jul, because of their commercialism. I haven't been told about their religious aspects by teachers in school, nor by Christian friends, nor even by the few nominally but non-religious Christian relatives I have. Most Canadians, British, Danes, Germans, Dutch, Swedes, Norwegians that I know don't live a religious Christian life. Yet, they celebrate those holidays in a secular manner.
From what I have seen in my living in all those countries is that most citizens of these countries are not religious at all, at least in the traditional sense, and those holidays are now mainly just national holidays, celebrated to entertain people (children for the most part), and for commercial firms to make profits. Most Canadians, Danes, Germans, Dutchmen, Swedes, Norwegians that I know don't live a religious Christian life. Yet, they celebrate those holidays in a secular manner.
I agree with KKM that a discussion of Christianity, as it pertains to these stories has no place on a Disney forum of any type.
Ok, let me try again. What does 'naughty list' mean? If it only includes those whose morals do not include solidarity and sympathy, who only care for their own prosperity and will do anything it takes to get there, then the naughty list includes... -Beagle Boys (Barks/Rosa) -Glomgold -Scrooge (Martina) -Gladstone (Barkses early version, pre 'luckiest duck in the world' concept)
Now, if by 'naughty', we mean someone who misbehaves one way or another, the list extends to everybody but Gyro and Grandma Duck, since everybody else has defied at least some generally acceptable rules of honesty from time to time.
Ok, let me try again. What does 'naughty list' mean? If it only includes those whose morals do not include solidarity and sympathy, who only care for their own prosperity and will do anything it takes to get there, then the naughty list includes... -Beagle Boys (Barks/Rosa) -Glomgold -Scrooge (Martina) -Gladstone (Barkses early version, pre 'luckiest duck in the world' concept)
Now, if by 'naughty', we mean someone who misbehaves one way or another, the list extends to everybody but Gyro and Grandma Duck, since everybody else has defied at least some generally acceptable rules of honesty from time to time.
Are you suggesting that ADULTS believe that their gifts are delivered by Saint Nikolas (who died about 352 A.D.) And they believe that the ghost of that man delivers millions of gifts on a sleigh pulled by flying reindeer, or takes a steamship from Spain to Amsterdam, and then rides his horse atop rooftops carrying all those gifts in one bag,with only one helper? And that they believe they won't get gifts from him if they've behaved badly the past year???
The withholding of gifts and threat of related punishment is totally directed at children (and very young ones, at that), as a deterrent to help keep them from behaving badly. Clearly, it would be no deterrent from keeping an adult from mischief or any level of sinning. Do you expect us to believe that any adults believ the ghost of a priest brings THEM gifts? And they don't themselves buy or make gifts for adult friends and loved ones because they KNOW that that ghost or elf will bring gifts for all adults??? That is utterly ridiculous.
Scrooge warns Huey, Dewey, and Louie against bad behaviour by reminding them of the threat of losing their annual gifts if they behave badly, because they are little children, who still believe in Santa Claus/Sinterklaas. He is not warning Donald or Daisy that they will lose their gifts. THEY both know that the gifts come from LIVING ADULTS, buying them in stores, or making them, themselves.
So, please, let's keep detailed discussions about how The Christian Religion deals with sinful behaviour off this forum. This thread is about Scrooge and other adult Disney characters referring to Santa Claus' activities (as he, as a cartoon character) behaves in Disney stories. THAT has nothing to do with Christian religious teaching, rules, rituals and interpretation of same.
Ok, let me try again. What does 'naughty list' mean? If it only includes those whose morals do not include solidarity and sympathy, who only care for their own prosperity and will do anything it takes to get there, then the naughty list includes... -Beagle Boys (Barks/Rosa) -Glomgold -Scrooge (Martina) -Gladstone (Barkses early version, pre 'luckiest duck in the world' concept)
Now, if by 'naughty', we mean someone who misbehaves one way or another, the list extends to everybody but Gyro and Grandma Duck, since everybody else has defied at least some generally acceptable rules of honesty from time to time.
Are you suggesting that ADULTS believe that their gifts are delivered by Saint Nikolas (who died about 352 A.D.) And they believe that the ghost of that man delivers millions of gifts on a sleigh pulled by flying reindeer, or takes a steamship from Spain to Amsterdam, and then rides his horse atop rooftops carrying all those gifts in one bag,with only one helper? And that they believe they won't get gifts from him if they've behaved badly the past year???
The withholding of gifts and threat of related punishment is totally directed at children (and very young ones, at that), as a deterrent to help keep them from behaving badly. Clearly, it would be no deterrent from keeping an adult from mischief or any level of sinning. Do you expect us to believe that any adults believe the ghost of a priest brings THEM gifts? And they don't themselves buy or make gifts for adult friends and loved ones because they KNOW that that ghost or elf will bring gifts for all adults??? That is utterly ridiculous.
Scrooge warns Huey, Dewey, and Louie against bad behaviour by reminding them of the threat of losing their annual gifts if they behave badly, because they are little children, who still believe in Santa Claus/Sinterklaas. He is not warning Donald or Daisy that they will lose their gifts. THEY both know that the gifts come from LIVING ADULTS, buying them in stores, or making them, themselves.
So, please, let's keep detailed discussions about how The Christian Religion deals with sinful behaviour off this forum. This thread is about Scrooge and other adult Disney characters referring to Santa Claus' activities (as he, as a cartoon character) behaves in Disney stories. THAT has nothing to do with Christian religious teaching, rules, rituals and interpretation of same.