Post by Scrooge MacDuck on Feb 3, 2018 13:48:18 GMT
To your knowledge, has there ever been any hint of whether Gilbert is the son of Goofy's brother or sister? His debut story has Goofy mention "Gilbert's mama" talking to him on the phone, but whether that character is his sister remains unclear.
His name beginning with G suggests it may have been chosen for the alliteration ('Gilbert Goof'), but that's not much to go on. In Italy his last name is De Pippis, but that doesn't mean much because (to my knowledge) Goofy/Pippo has no established last name in Italian…
To your knowledge, has there ever been any hint of whether Gilbert is the son of Goofy's brother or sister? His debut story has Goofy mention "Gilbert's mama" talking to him on the phone, but whether that character is his sister remains unclear.
His name beginning with G suggests it may have been chosen for the alliteration ('Gilbert Goof'), but that's not much to go on. In Italy his last name is De Pippis, but that doesn't mean much because (to my knowledge) Goofy/Pippo has no established last name in Italian…
Gilbert "Goof" implies to me that Gilbert is Goofy's sister's child, given that goofy is a nickname, and his real name is Dippy Dawg.
Is Gilbert's last name officially "Goof"? INDUCKS refers to him as just "Gilbert". I haven't read many stories with him, so can't be sure. Also, how have we concluded that Goofy is a nickname? Goofy is referred to as "Mr. Goofy" even formally by characters who don't know him. If anything, a case can be made that "Goofy" is a last name, although personally I accept that "Goofy" is a mononym. I would discount early stories that use the name "Dippy Dawg", since the character was so inchoate at the time. "George Geef" and "G. G. Geef" are clearly characters that Cartoon-Goofy plays, so again, not reflective of his actual name (in my headcanon at least).
I think in recent IDW comics his full name is usually given as Goofus D. Dawg, implying that Dippy is his midddle name.
In Dell Comics' "The Goofy Success Story" from 1956, Goofy's life story was told, revealing that "Dippy Dawg" was his real birth name, and "Goofy" is his nickname and "stage name".
I think in recent IDW comics his full name is usually given as Goofus D. Dawg, implying that Dippy is his midddle name.
In Dell Comics' "The Goofy Success Story" from 1956, Goofy's life story was told, revealing that "Dippy Dawg" was his real birth name, and "Goofy" is his nickname and "stage name".
That's true, but there are also many stories were Goofy's various relatives have the last name "Goofy" or "Goof".
But either way, no, Gilbert was never referred to as "Gilbert Goof(y)" to my knowledge, I was just saying that if he were, that would provide an alliteration, which might be a clue to the writers' intention.
Post by Baar Baar Jinx on Feb 4, 2018 13:39:18 GMT
Before anyone else mentions it, yes, Goof Troop implies that Goofy's last name is "Goof" (since his son is "Max Goof", although I'm not sure if Goofy's full name is ever explicitly revealed in the series). However, I find it hard to accept this show as canon. Admittedly, my exposure to it is limited, but to consider it comics-compatible, you would have to accept Pete's family in its entirety, the fact that he was a used-car salesman, and was semi-friendly with Goofy. To me, this is another example of Cartoon-Goofy and Cartoon-Pete (distinct characters from their comics counterparts) playing roles, similar to many of the classic cartoons.
As to IDW giving Goofy a full name, this comes so late in the game that, like Mouseton being in Calisota and Quackmore being the English name of Scrooge's butler, I consider it a personal decision by a writer/editor, rather than official (like Della being a pilot in Geradts-verse). I'm fine with Goofy being a mononym. Gottfredson's work seems consistent with that.
I'm fine with Goofy being a mononym. Gottfredson's work seems consistent with that.
What do you mean by that?
(And what do you make of all the relatives with Goofy or Goof as a last name? e.g. Indiana Goof, Amos Goofy, Gran'pappy Ebenezer Goofy, etc.)
A mononym is a single name by which a person is known, like "Cher", "Madonna", "Yoda", "Palpatine" etc. (don't give me any of this Sheev business ... that's "Disney Star Wars").
As for the relatives, interesting question ... is it possible for me to have a Gottfredson-based Mouse-canon, just as I have a Barks/Rosa based Duck-canon? Did Gottfredson ever introduce any relatives of Goofy's with "Goofy" or "Goof" in their names? In any case, as you point out, those myriad relatives, if all are included in one's headcanon, rule out "Goofy" being a nickname. In that case, Goofy's last name is Goofy, and he is simply referred to by everyone by his last name, including by his relatives who share the last name! Of course, in real life "Goofy" and "Goof" would be distinct last names, just as two individuals with last names like "Smithy" and "Smith" would not automatically be considered related.
A mononym is a single name by which a person is known, like "Cher", "Madonna", "Yoda", "Palpatine" etc. (don't give me any of this Sheev business ... that's "Disney Star Wars").
I thought as much, but… how does that work, exactly? Gottfredson-only or not, Goofy has a large family, he's not an orphan. I don't believe mononyms can legally be a thing in the U.S.A., so…?
A mononym is a single name by which a person is known, like "Cher", "Madonna", "Yoda", "Palpatine" etc. (don't give me any of this Sheev business ... that's "Disney Star Wars").
I thought as much, but… how does that work, exactly? Gottfredson-only or not, Goofy has a large family, he's not an orphan. I don't believe mononyms can legally be a thing in the U.S.A., so…?
Okay, a quick internet search suggests that you *can* legally change your name to a mononym in the US ... but it brings with it untold complications, especially on legal and official documents. And Goofy would have had to actively do it, for which I can see little reason. So, I don't know ... while I guess I can just somehow accept it as a mononym, the alternative, that Goofy is his last name and everyone calls him that, including his family, maybe at his request, is okay too. Perhaps he really loathes his first name or some such, so it's never been revealed. Like Gilligan from Gilligan's Island, it'll just be kept a mystery.
I thought as much, but… how does that work, exactly? Gottfredson-only or not, Goofy has a large family, he's not an orphan. I don't believe mononyms can legally be a thing in the U.S.A., so…?
Okay, a quick internet search suggests that you *can* legally change your name to a mononym in the US ... but it brings with it untold complications, especially on legal and official documents. And Goofy would have had to actively do it, for which I can see little reason. So, I don't know ... while I guess I can just somehow accept it as a mononym, the alternative, that Goofy is his last name and everyone calls him that, including his family, maybe at his request, is okay too. Perhaps he really loathes his first name or some such, so it's never been revealed. Like Gilligan from Gilligan's Island, it'll just be kept a mystery.
Clearly, he didn't like "Dippy". He was a "goofy" person. People called him that. It stuck as a nickname. He liked it better than "Dippy". So, he told people who didn't yet call him that, to call him by that nickname. So, his father's family name was "Dawg", and his mother's was "Goof" or "Goof". The one that wasn't his mother's family name (Goofy) was a branch of his family from France, with the original name, which was shortened to "Goof" to Anglicise it, when that portion of his ancestors moved to Britain or USA.
Okay, a quick internet search suggests that you *can* legally change your name to a mononym in the US ... but it brings with it untold complications, especially on legal and official documents. And Goofy would have had to actively do it, for which I can see little reason. So, I don't know ... while I guess I can just somehow accept it as a mononym, the alternative, that Goofy is his last name and everyone calls him that, including his family, maybe at his request, is okay too. Perhaps he really loathes his first name or some such, so it's never been revealed. Like Gilligan from Gilligan's Island, it'll just be kept a mystery.
Clearly, he didn't like "Dippy". He was a "goofy" person. People called him that. It stuck as a nickname. He liked it better than "Dippy". So, he told people who didn't yet call him that, to call him by that nickname. So, his father's family name was "Dawg", and his mother's was "Goof" or "Goof". The one that wasn't his mother's family name (Goofy) was a branch of his family from France, with the original name, which was shortened to "Goof" to Anglicise it, when that portion of his ancestors moved to Britain or USA.
Well-thought-out, Robb, but doesn't entirely match the evidence, 'mafraid. Sources are clear that Goofy's father's name was Amos Goof(y).
Well, about the two sides of his family having the surnames Dawg and Goof, in the English translation of part 12 of the Search for the Zodiac Stone, Goofy has a chest filled with "weird Goof and Dawg family memorabilia". But, being that that is a dialogued version and not in the original, maybe you wouldn't take that as canon.
Well, about the two sides of his family having the surnames Dawg and Goof, in the English translation of part 12 of the Search for the Zodiac Stone, Goofy has a chest filled with "weird Goof and Dawg family memorabilia". But, being that that is a dialogued version and not in the original, maybe you wouldn't take that as canon.
That is interesting. Perhaps his mother was a Dawg?