Well, about the two sides of his family having the surnames Dawg and Goof, in the English translation of part 12 of the Search for the Zodiac Stone, Goofy has a chest filled with "weird Goof and Dawg family memorabilia". But, being that that is a dialogued version and not in the original, maybe you wouldn't take that as canon.
That is interesting. Perhaps his mother was a Dawg?
He was named Dippy Dawg. Why would he go by his Mother's family name? Did his family originate from a country that was a Matriarchal society? Or was an ancestor on his father's side so infamous that the family was embarrassed to use his name?
That is interesting. Perhaps his mother was a Dawg?
He was named Dippy Dawg. Why would he go by his Mother's family name? Did his family originate from a country that was a Matriarchal society? Or was an ancestor on his father's side so infamous that the family was embarrassed to use his name?
I see you're still sticking to the idea of Goofy having his "civil name" be Dippy Dawg from The Goofy Success Story… but I'll counter with The Goofy Adventure Story, wherein it's clearly stated that Goofy's father was called Amos Goofy, and his father was called Ebenezer Goofy. The same crew was responsible for both specials, which were done a relatively short time apart, so strange as it may seem, it does seem like going by their continuity, Goofy's name is Dippy Dawg but it's his mother's name.
Perhaps poor Goofy never really understood what the deal is with people taking one of their parent's surname but not the other's, and always mistakenly introduced himself as "Dawg" until someone (Mickey, presumably) cleared it up for him.
He was named Dippy Dawg. Why would he go by his Mother's family name? Did his family originate from a country that was a Matriarchal society? Or was an ancestor on his father's side so infamous that the family was embarrassed to use his name?
I see you're still sticking to the idea of Goofy having his "civil name" be Dippy Dawg from The Goofy Success Story… but I'll counter with The Goofy Adventure Story, wherein it's clearly stated that Goofy's father was called Amos Goofy, and his father was called Ebenezer Goofy.
That's one against one. BUT, "Dippy Dawg" was ALSO his name in the first cartoons, AND, "The Goofy Success Story" is his life story, which should hold more creedence than other single stories. That leads me to believe that because ALMOST ALL of Goofy's relatives are silly "goofy", they ALL have been called by the same running "family nickname", of "Goofy", as they were goofy people. THAT is in MY headcanon. Gottfredson is my first, and most authoritative source. Then the 1940s-early 1960s US comic books (given equal weight, unless they are definitive stories, which provide the "official history" of the character (like "This is Your Life, Donald Duck", or "The Goofy Success Story").
Post by Baar Baar Jinx on Feb 4, 2018 19:21:45 GMT
Again, though, both "This is Your Life, Donald Duck", and "The Goofy Success Story" (where Goofy's original name was Dippy Dog, not Dawg) portray the characters as actors, and some if not all their adventures are parts they play. This is incompatible with the bulk of the Mouse stories of Gottfredson (yes, I know there are a few Sundays that do show Mickey as an actor, but those are bizarre and probably studio-mandated exceptions), and definitely with the Barks/Rosa version of the Duckverse, where Donald is an everyman, not a celebrity. The only solution that works for me is what I've espoused in the past, to consider the cartoon and comics versions of these characters to be separate entities, similar to how the Ducks in both versions of DuckTales are not the same as their comics counterparts. And yes, in the very early Gottfredson strips, Goofy *was* known as "Dippy Dawg", but I safely discount that in view of the fact that the character was not fully realized yet.
Post by Scrooge MacDuck on Feb 4, 2018 20:01:04 GMT
We're digressing, though. Discussions of Goofy's last name are of course interesting (though I doubt we'll ever reach a consensus here since even the writers haven't), but the original point of this thread was to find out whether there was ever any hint whether Gilbert's parent on Goofy's side was Goofy's brother or sister.
Again, though, both "This is Your Life, Donald Duck", and "The Goofy Success Story" (where Goofy's original name was Dippy Dog, not Dawg) portray the characters as actors, and some if not all their adventures are parts they play. This is incompatible with the bulk of the Mouse stories of Gottfredson (yes, I know there are a few Sundays that do show Mickey as an actor, but those are bizarre and probably studio-mandated exceptions), and definitely with the Barks/Rosa version of the Duckverse, where Donald is an everyman, not a celebrity. The only solution that works for me is what I've espoused in the past, to consider the cartoon and comics versions of these characters to be separate entities, similar to how the Ducks in both versions of DuckTales are not the same as their comics counterparts. And yes, in the very early Gottfredson strips, Goofy *was* known as "Dippy Dawg", but I safely discount that in view of the fact that the character was not fully realized yet.
This has nothing to do with Goofy, but, I never thought Donald had his life shown on the TV show, "This is Your Life", because he was a movie star. But, rather, thought he appeared because Scrooge, Daisy, Grandma, and the whole Duck/McDuck extended family got together, and decided to surprise Donald, and honour him, just to make him feel good. i got the idea that the TV station picked it up as a "Human interest story", rather than because Donald was a celebrity, working for Walt Disney. Of course, it could also be helped by the fact that a lot of Duckburg's population knew who Donald was, as the nephew of the richest man in The World, and many knew him personally from coming across his path during his many jobs around Duckburg, and his many self-owned companies and self-run businesses, or from his having caused many disasters in Duckburg and around Calisota.
Again, though, both "This is Your Life, Donald Duck", and "The Goofy Success Story" (where Goofy's original name was Dippy Dog, not Dawg) portray the characters as actors, and some if not all their adventures are parts they play. This is incompatible with the bulk of the Mouse stories of Gottfredson (yes, I know there are a few Sundays that do show Mickey as an actor, but those are bizarre and probably studio-mandated exceptions), and definitely with the Barks/Rosa version of the Duckverse, where Donald is an everyman, not a celebrity. The only solution that works for me is what I've espoused in the past, to consider the cartoon and comics versions of these characters to be separate entities, similar to how the Ducks in both versions of DuckTales are not the same as their comics counterparts. And yes, in the very early Gottfredson strips, Goofy *was* known as "Dippy Dawg", but I safely discount that in view of the fact that the character was not fully realized yet.
This has nothing to do with Goofy, but, I never thought Donald had his life shown on the TV show, "This is Your Life", because he was a movie star. But, rather, thought he appeared because Scrooge, Daisy, Grandma, and the whole Duck/McDuck extended family got together, and decided to surprise Donald, and honour him, just to make him feel good. i got the idea that the TV station picked it up as a "Human interest story", rather than because Donald was a celebrity, working for Walt Disney. Of course, it could also be helped by the fact that a lot of Duckburg's population knew who Donald was, as the nephew of the richest man in The World, and many knew him personally from coming across his path during his many jobs around Duckburg, and his many self-owned companies and self-run businesses, or from his having caused many disasters in Duckburg and around Calisota.
But doesn't the comic unambiguously show Donald getting his start as an actor for Disney?
This has nothing to do with Goofy, but, I never thought Donald had his life shown on the TV show, "This is Your Life", because he was a movie star. But, rather, thought he appeared because Scrooge, Daisy, Grandma, and the whole Duck/McDuck extended family got together, and decided to surprise Donald, and honour him, just to make him feel good. i got the idea that the TV station picked it up as a "Human interest story", rather than because Donald was a celebrity, working for Walt Disney. Of course, it could also be helped by the fact that a lot of Duckburg's population knew who Donald was, as the nephew of the richest man in The World, and many knew him personally from coming across his path during his many jobs around Duckburg, and his many self-owned companies and self-run businesses, or from his having caused many disasters in Duckburg and around Calisota.
But doesn't the comic unambiguously show Donald getting his start as an actor for Disney?
But doesn't the comic unambiguously show Donald getting his start as an actor for Disney?
Yes, it does.
Donald working for Disney doesn't fit the Barks/Rosa universe. So I have to exclude that comic from my headcanon, even though it technically stars Comics-Donald, not Cartoon-Donald (who can be an actor all the time for all I care; like Rosa says, Cartoon-Donald is a Disney character, and Comics-Donald is a Barks character).
Donald working for Disney doesn't fit the Barks/Rosa universe. So I have to exclude that comic from my headcanon, even though it technically stars Comics-Donald, not Cartoon-Donald (who can be an actor all the time for all I care; like Rosa says, Cartoon-Donald is a Disney character, and Comics-Donald is a Barks character).
I don't see how it doesn't fit the Barks/Rosa universe. Donald has had a great many jobs in Barks lore, why couldn't a comedian/actor be one of them? As to people not recognizing him, well, firstly, there's his extremely average appearance, and either way, Donald has had reason enough to become famous with or without acting in Barks, and still never gets recognized, so Donald as an actor would just "build" on that.
Donald working for Disney doesn't fit the Barks/Rosa universe. So I have to exclude that comic from my headcanon, even though it technically stars Comics-Donald, not Cartoon-Donald (who can be an actor all the time for all I care; like Rosa says, Cartoon-Donald is a Disney character, and Comics-Donald is a Barks character).
I don't see how it doesn't fit the Barks/Rosa universe. Donald has had a great many jobs in Barks lore, why couldn't a comedian/actor be one of them? As to people not recognizing him, well, firstly, there's his extremely average appearance, and either way, Donald has had reason enough to become famous with or without acting in Barks, and still never gets recognized, so Donald as an actor would just "build" on that.
He's not just portrayed as an actor, he's a big star worthy of having his life and career celebrated on national television. That seems incompatible with Barks' "everyman". His fleeting local "brittle mastery" type fame doesn't quite compare. As we've discussed on other threads, you would think he'd be better known (and treated with more consideration) as the closest living relative of the richest man in the world, but that's a separate discussion.
I don't see how it doesn't fit the Barks/Rosa universe. Donald has had a great many jobs in Barks lore, why couldn't a comedian/actor be one of them? As to people not recognizing him, well, firstly, there's his extremely average appearance, and either way, Donald has had reason enough to become famous with or without acting in Barks, and still never gets recognized, so Donald as an actor would just "build" on that.
He's not just portrayed as an actor, he's a big star worthy of having his life and career celebrated on national television. That seems incompatible with Barks' "everyman". His fleeting local "brittle mastery" type fame doesn't quite compare. As we've discussed on other threads, you would think he'd be better known (and treated with more consideration) as the closest living relative of the richest man in the world, but that's a separate discussion.
Allow me to argue my point further. While Robb was obviously not entirely right, it's true that This Is Your Life, Donald Duck may well not have been because Donald was a superstar… because, well, note that the host is Jiminy Cricket, e.g. one of Donald's friends. Is that even an official episode of This Is Your Life? Considering all of Donald's friends arriving at the end, what if it's a "home-brewed" pastiche set up by Donald's friends to make him feel important? One certainly gets that sort of impression.
He's not just portrayed as an actor, he's a big star worthy of having his life and career celebrated on national television. That seems incompatible with Barks' "everyman". His fleeting local "brittle mastery" type fame doesn't quite compare. As we've discussed on other threads, you would think he'd be better known (and treated with more consideration) as the closest living relative of the richest man in the world, but that's a separate discussion.
Allow me to argue my point further. While Robb was obviously not entirely right, it's true that This Is Your Life, Donald Duck may well not have been because Donald was a superstar… because, well, note that the host is Jiminy Cricket, e.g. one of Donald's friends. Is that even an official episode of This Is Your Life? Considering all of Donald's friends arriving at the end, what if it's a "home-brewed" pastiche set up by Donald's friends to make him feel important? One certainly gets that sort of impression.
I just noticed something: the animated version of, "This is Your Life, Donald Duck" makes no mention of Donald as an actor; while it's clear he's being feted as a guest on an actual episode of a real show being broadcast at least locally if not nationally, we aren't told exactly why he gets this honor; all the "episodes" are portrayed as actual events in his life rather than roles he plays. His being a famous actor here is something that I guess I just assumed. On the other hand, the comic version does include the bit about his signing a contract with Disney. This is the opposite of what I would have expected. The counterpart Goofy cartoon, of course, explicitly states that "Dippy Dog" became an actor named Goofy when he signed on with a studio (not sure if it was identified as Disney), and all the recycled cartoon shorts are presented as examples of his theatrical work.
He's not just portrayed as an actor, he's a big star worthy of having his life and career celebrated on national television. That seems incompatible with Barks' "everyman". His fleeting local "brittle mastery" type fame doesn't quite compare. As we've discussed on other threads, you would think he'd be better known (and treated with more consideration) as the closest living relative of the richest man in the world, but that's a separate discussion.
Allow me to argue my point further. While Robb was obviously not entirely right, it's true that This Is Your Life, Donald Duck may well not have been because Donald was a superstar… because, well, note that the host is Jiminy Cricket, e.g. one of Donald's friends. Is that even an official episode of This Is Your Life? Considering all of Donald's friends arriving at the end, what if it's a "home-brewed" pastiche set up by Donald's friends to make him feel important? One certainly gets that sort of impression.
Exactly! Where is the normal TV audience??? In any case, the combination of Donald being known as the nephew (and probable closest living relative, and potential heir) of The World's richest man, and Donald's many disasters caused in Duckburg, would make it likely that many (if not most) Duckburgians would know who he is by name, and many by sight. His [photo has been on the front page of Duckburg's biggest newspapers. I agree that Donald could have worked for Walt Disney Productions as a mid-level film and TV star. The "This is Your Life" TV show could have been a true Clisota-wide broadcast, or a made-up event, just to make Donald feel good. It doesn't matter to me. Either way, it fits into my head canon of The "Duck Universe".
Post by Baar Baar Jinx on Feb 12, 2018 15:05:27 GMT
In the 1977 children's picture book "Goofy Minds the House", Goofy has a son named Junior who looks more like Max than Junior from the cartoons (and maybe represents a transition between the two); unfortunately this story can hardly be considered canonical because (a) Goofy is clearly playing a role here, dressed as he is in medieval clothing despite retaining his name and (b) he has a wife who looks exactly like him.
