Sorry to mess the timeline agian but nope. He get's introduced to Donald by Daisy...
...but for the sake of not destroying the time continuum, one can argue that Donald already know him and Dapper was just acting like he meet Donald for the first time I mean just look the way he smiles when he greets Donald. It's a "Ha-ha! This is my revange! I finally got your girl" smile if I ever seen one ...and Donald just reacts with a shock and silance.
Also no one brings up he looks just like Donald here.
All the stuff with president's ghosts was clever and I like that only first five minutes takes place in the "location of the week" and the rest of the episode is wacky hijinx in the New Quackmore.
I was glad the Presidents were all ducks/pigs/dognoses rather than humans ... which is definitely a nod to the comics. In the Cartoon-Donald universe, they'd have been humans. (Although they could have gone with Rosa's dognose version of Teddy Roosevelt from Life of Scrooge instead of a pig ... oh well, that's probably asking for too much). Xandra appears to be the only consistent human on this show (and the Roman Gods the only human guest stars, am I missing anyone?). Good!
Subplot with Xandra going to a part was one of my favorite parts. Again, it's fun that they taking a character like this - one who would usualy get more serious/come role and doing something totaly agianst the type with her. Not only she acts like teen agian (a spoiled, bratty one to say the least) but now she has tendency to scream with a Heavy Metal like voice and I just find it incredeble funny, as well the idea that when she is not concern with saving the world she is annything but sophysticated godess.
I do like that they give her some human foibles rather than make her a perfect Mary Sue ... social awkwardness and a tendency to go fangirl over her perceived heroes are what we've seen so far.
...Even if I find Daisy action's in this episode incredeble... well, I don't want to use foul leanguage but if my Ex-girfiend would show up at my house one day just to shove her new boyfriend in my face It would be SHE who would look bad not not me. Tha'ts just a nasty thing to do and makes her look eaither mean or very insecured.
That's Daisy behaving the way she did in some of the classic shorts and even early Barks comics; selfish, mainpulative and occasionally borderline-cruel. Looked like they were moving away from that in previous episodes, but she seems to be reverting to type here.
I loved the Bear - Not sure is it Humphrey or not, but he is very Humphery-like. Yet ANOTHER fantastic voice acting I notice in the episode. He makes only noises but there is this part when he smels honey and goes "HO-HO-HO" that just cracked me up.
I like that the bees in the episode also look like from old Donald shorts.
The bear was clearly designed to look like Humphrey, just as the bees all looked like Spike the Bee (and Dapper Duck looks like Donald's Double), but I think we're just supposed to say, "Oh look, they're using that character from the classic cartoons!" instead of trying to tie them into previous use of the characters.
I like we get a Peacock character - something fresh to the usual talking animal list.
(Thinks to self) Should I be that guy and point it out ... oh, what the heck. (Out loud) Their depiction of the peacock-lady is wrong ... only male peacocks have that kind of vibrant plumage. Female peacocks are drab brown.
Unless we have another Roxanne Featherly-type situation going on here (don't tell me, they're already talking about that elsewhere in the fandom).
Yes, I did think the female peacock (as opposed to peahen) was curious! But a cool character design, anyway.
A "Roxanne Featherly-type situation"? I have no idea what you're referring to. Are fans saying she's trans?
Doesn't look like this show is going to reboot Daisy's character in a positive direction! Is the unspeakable Quack Pack going to be the only show with a decent Daisy? Though it's true, this Daisy is being kept in the dark for NO GOOD REASON, so she legitimately feels ill-treated. Not that that excuses the "let me push my new guy in your face" behavior.
Loved the callback to the goblin jail song!
I also like the fact that Shelgoose has his own clear priority, which is also about power, but which is in conflict with what Sheldrake wants him to do. That makes him a more interesting character.
I wonder what they will do with nazca art... and wow!
The characters go inside the drawings and most of the episode in in chalck art world! I LOVE IT! It's like something Disney would do in the 50's or 60's ... Bah! It's like something from the oryginal "Caballeros" movies. They don't go to crazy but it's still very creative with character using the fact they can drawn to their advantage and they use some interesting angles and perspetives while still being part of the wall.
The cute "got to drawn the line" song will be stock in my head for some time.
Jose get's a lot of focus in this episode. There is a running theme of him being absurdly gullible that I was sure will turn out to be some sort of a moral or punchline or "Well, I learn my leason" moment... but not realy. Still, I like that he takes front sit in this one. It felt there was more of him then Donald or Panchito.
I liked April, May and June subplot. Felt like something HD&L would do in the old duck tales... And hey! That security guy voice sounds familiar. Why it's Jim Cummings! Yaaaay!
There is a scene early on with Donald doing a drawing of Dapper out of spite. Wonder is he's still around in the show...
There waren't many laugh-out moments in this one but it was very cute, visualy interesting and I like that the show goes artistic like this! Great stuff!
Well, this takes place in Mexico and Panchito finnaly get's focus now and shows a lot of love for his home country! The entire Gallo Loco persona come into play agian and he get's into a wrestling fight with Sheldgoose. Much like Jose in the preview episode, Panchito don't get much of character development but spent most of episode being in fous and we learn that he has a very honorable side and shown to be very respectfull of life.
The main chicken priestess reminded me of Clara Cluck.
Do to similar seting I was thinking they will make some sort of 'Emperor new groove" refrence but there was one I missed it.
We get another Donald tries to be with Daisy on a date and on the mission at the same time agian but it was short, inventive and it was nice to see the girls helping out Donald agian (One would asume Daisy is more aware what is going on after events of epiosde 7)
I love the moment when Jose gives Panchito some motivation words before the fight and then we cut to Felldrek telling Sheldgoose "Well, idiot. I don't see how you stand a chance. That's all I got.". Fellddrek reading biography of Panchito was also very funny.
It's also nice character touch that while Panchito is doing fighting lunchador style, Sheldgoose is doing more of very traditional old-fashion sport wreastling down to his outfit. I think it's a joke adults will get and not the kids but it works here.
Nice to see more Jose in action as the romantic lady-man and Xandra is shown to have man-crush of her own (Other then the Roman gods this the first human to appear on the show as far I recall)
Great visual joke with the ring bell and very funny quick bit from Ari acting like a vacume cleaner.
Im just not sure about one thing... In the middle of the fight herores realise that the fight is to death but they never clear are the fighter ment to kill each other in the ring as in strangle each other (well, that's dark for a disney cartoon) or is there some sort of execution for the one who will lose the fight? I
Also I'm not saying they should spell-out everything for the kids but I wonder will they get the diffrence between "fight for the sake of the sport" and a "fight just to injure someone" here. Sheldgoose is just being angry about the way he is hurting Panchito, while Panchito acts like he is having fun while... still hurting Sheldgoose. Hum. I gues the "Panchito say wrestling is ment to be fun and the villians take it seriously" is enough but I felt there is something missing here.
Meh, maybe I'm over analising this...
Also for a kids cartoon there is a lot of refrence to murder here. Not that I mind as much it's so rare it comes of as strange.
Daisy makes a refrence to Minnie!
Maybe cose it's first time I paid atention to the colors but I did notice thar May (the orange one) is presented as more cinical/pesimistic/"I'm so whatever" one, while the other two are more sensitive and helpfull. Or maybe it's just for a joke in this episode.
Great design on "god of death".
Well, the episode ends with a very grim clifhanger. We see what going happen next...
Doesn't look like this show is going to reboot Daisy's character in a positive direction! Is the unspeakable Quack Pack going to be the only show with a decent Daisy? Though it's true, this Daisy is being kept in the dark for NO GOOD REASON, so she legitimately feels ill-treated. Not that that excuses the "let me push my new guy in your face" behavior.
It's too bad they don't give her something else to do than be Donald's girlfriend (or non-girlfriend as the case may be), but her relationship with Donald as such (and Dapper, temporarily standing in for Gladstone) seems straight from the old cartoons and most of what Barks did with her. Daisy is not an overall positive character; she's often selfish and shallow; but in a way that makes her continued romance with Donald more believable. Both are deeply flawed people who are ultimately good, but only bear each other's company because they know the other is just as bad.
Post by Baar Baar Jinx on Jul 2, 2018 17:57:38 GMT
Pan Maciej said:
Nice to see more Jose in action as the romantic lady-man and Xandra is shown to have man-crush of her own (Other then the Roman gods this the first human to appear on the show as far I recall)
Is it really a "man-crush" if it's a woman attracted to a man? I thought the term was reserved for the admiration of one man for another (and not necessarily romantic). But again, it's good to see Xandra with human emotions/attractions/weaknesses, rather than an all-powerful, faultless Goddess.
Why did an image of Scrooge appear when Daisy broke the mirror? Is the mirror a McDuck product?
EDIT: On reflection, it might be based on the famous The New Yorker magazine symbol:
Why did an image of Scrooge appear when Daisy broke the mirror? Is the mirror a McDuck product?
EDIT: On reflection, it might be based on the famous "New Yorker" magazine symbol:
Not that that clarifies anything.
At first, yes, I assumed the idea was that the Mirror was not actually magical at all but had been a McDuck-produced gizmo all along. Since you've mentioned the New Yorker connection though… I'm not sure, because it invited me to look over the original picture again, and "Scrooge" doesn't have glasses, so is it Scrooge at all, or just a random duckification of the NY symbol?
Post by Baar Baar Jinx on Jul 2, 2018 19:13:02 GMT
Scrooge MacDuck said:
At first, yes, I assumed the idea was that the Mirror was not actually magical at all but had been a McDuck-produced gizmo all along. Since you've mentioned the New Yorker connection though… I'm not sure, because it invited me to look over the original picture again, and "Scrooge" doesn't have glasses, so is it Scrooge at all, or just a random duckification of the NY symbol?
And if it is, what connection could The New Yorker possibly have to this scene? If there's a reference, it escapes me.
More supporting evidence that this wasn't meant to be Scrooge: we know that the Scrooge that appears on this show is based on the DuckTales '87 design (with the blue coat and red cuffs). This red coat wouldn't be in keeping with it.
It's too bad they don't give her something else to do than be Donald's girlfriend (or non-girlfriend as the case may be), but her relationship with Donald as such (and Dapper, temporarily standing in for Gladstone) seems straight from the old cartoons and most of what Barks did with her. Daisy is not an overall positive character; she's often selfish and shallow; but in a way that makes her continued romance with Donald more believable. Both are deeply flawed people who are ultimately good, but only bear each other's company because they know the other is just as bad.
You know, I think they missed an opportunity to import the most positive (so far) incarnation of Daisy, the Quack Pack one, into this show, where she could have been a natural fit: why not let her be the TV reporter she was on Quack Pack, who somehow discovers the bizarre/supernatural events happening around New Quackmore (and all the other sites the Carabellos visit) and tries to investigate it? This gives Xandra a reason to try to keep Donald away from Daisy and for all of them, AM&J included, to keep Daisy in the dark: the fear that she might blow their cover in pursuit of her news story. It gives her a chance to be something more than just "the girlfriend". It also provides Donald with an additional conflict of interest and split motivations, and a more emotional arc.
Matilda said:
I also like the fact that Shelgoose has his own clear priority, which is also about power, but which is in conflict with what Sheldrake wants him to do. That makes him a more interesting character.
I agree that it adds depth to his character. If you think about it, he's sort of the evil counterpart to Donald here. Just as Donald is committed to the Three Caballeros, but still wants to have keep personal life and his relationship with Daisy intact (which distinguishes him from Xandra, Panchito and José, who seem to be all-in), Shelgoose is willing to go along with Felldrake up to a point, but still values his professional standing and is desperate to keep the position he has, and that has been in his family for generations, which is completely understandable. It almost makes him somewhat sympathetic, in that limited respect (and it's not as if the woman scheming to replace him is portrayed as a paragon of virtue).
You know, I think they missed an opportunity to import the most positive (so far) incarnation of Daisy, the Quack Pack one, into this show, where she could have been a natural fit: why not let her be the TV reporter she was on Quack Pack, who somehow discovers the bizarre/supernatural events happening around New Quackmore (and all the other sites the Carabellos visit) and tries to investigate it? This gives Xandra a reason to try to keep Donald away from Daisy and for all of them, AM&J included, to keep Daisy in the dark: the fear that she might blow their cover in pursuit of her news story. It gives her a chance to be something more than just "the girlfriend". It also provides Donald with an additional conflict of interest and split motivations, and a more emotional arc.
I'm not saying it wouldn't have worked, but I'm sort of on the fence. Again, Daisy, in my view, shouldn't be a wholly positive and competent character, whether or not she is "just the girlfriend" or in a starring role.
The Quack Pack Daisy was a more progressive character, sure, but I feel about her kind of like how most of us feel about DT17 Goldie today: it's good that they made her a character of her own not reliant on being X or Y's girlfriend, but the end result is more of a new character with the same name than it is anything else. I like the House of Mouse take better; there her bits only rarely even involved Donald, but she was a comedic attention-seeker; but an attention-seeker in a non-romantic, non-gender-specific way, thus being a vast improvement on her classic portrayal while still keeping true to its core spirit.
I also like the fact that Shelgoose has his own clear priority, which is also about power, but which is in conflict with what Sheldrake wants him to do. That makes him a more interesting character.
I agree that it adds depth to his character. If you think about it, he's sort of the evil counterpart to Donald here. Just as Donald is committed to the Three Caballeros, but still wants to have keep personal life and his relationship with Daisy intact (which distinguishes him from Xandra, Panchito and José, who seem to be all-in), Shelgoose is willing to go along with Felldrake up to a point, but still values his professional standing and is desperate to keep the position he has, and that has been in his family for generations, which is completely understandable. It almost makes him somewhat sympathetic, in that limited respect (and it's not as if the woman scheming to replace him is portrayed as a paragon of virtue).
You know, you all spell it Shelgoose so very consistently… I'm pretty sure it's Sheldgoose.
Post by Baar Baar Jinx on Jul 2, 2018 21:48:52 GMT
Another thought re: is that Scrooge on the mirror ... I've always hated the idea that Scrooge puts his face on his products, as we see in some comics (not Barks/Rosa ones, of course). I mean, did we see Steve Jobs' face on every iPhone, or did Bill Gates smile at us every time Windows booted up? In the real business world, it's unlikely all his products would even carry the McDuck name, as they would be manufactured under subsidiaries of McDuck Enterprises. Along those lines, I also thought it was odd that there was a billboard in an early episode of Darkwing Duck that said "Welcome to Duckburg!" and had Scrooge's face on it (as did an issue of Disney Comics, Inc.'s DuckTales title). That just seemed so unrealistic, considering that Scrooge doesn't really have an official position in Duckburg leadership. It's usually mayors whose faces are on billboards welcoming you to their city ... Scrooge is a private citizen (and, as Barks portrayed him, one who shuns publicity).
Along those lines, I also thought it was odd that there was a billboard in an early episode of Darkwing Duck that said "Welcome to Duckburg!" and had Scrooge's face on it (as did an issue of Disney Comics, Inc.'s DuckTales title). That just seemed so unrealistic, considering that Scrooge doesn't really have an official position in Duckburg leadership. It's usually mayors whose faces are on billboards welcoming you to their city ... Scrooge is a private citizen (and, as Barks portrayed him, one who shuns publicity).
But then, Scrooge was mayor of Duckburg once.
Concerning the above image though… what the hell are "play patterns"?