Stories you consider canon in Barks/Rosa universe

[marco996]

Hey guys!
What are some stories you guys consider canon in the Barks/Rosa universe?
I consider all Daan Jippes stories canon, he has a dedication to Barks like Don Rosa. He has drew Carl Barks stories based on his scripts, and created some original stories.

And I also consider all the Dick Kinney and Al Hubbard stories canon (the ones with Fethry) because Don Rosa included him in his family tree.

And I consider some french stories (by Francois Corteggiani, Gilles Corre, Didier Le Bornec...) in Le Journal De Mickey, they are 10-pages style and a lot of them see Donald against Jones.

And there is one french story which is a sequel to "Trail of the Unicorn":


And I consider canon this story "A Blighted Birthday" where Donald tells his nephews his memories with his old friend Mickey Mouse, who I believe is in the same universe because he made a cameo in a crowd in a Don Rosa story, and had a solo adventure by Barks.

[RobbK1]

Basically, all Barks' and Daan Jippes and Jippes/Milton stories and Freddy Milton stories, and my own with Jan Gulbransson, and most of Jan's others (many of which I participated in, or watched him draw.  Maybe also The Ben Verhagen stories and many of the best Mau Heymans stories.

[Baar Baar Jinx]

Jul 30, 2017 14:07:13 GMT marco996 said:

And I consider canon this story "A Blighted Birthday" where Donald tells his nephews his memories with his old friend Mickey Mouse, who I believe is in the same universe because he made a cameo in a crowd in a Don Rosa story, and had a solo adventure by Barks.

Barks' solo Mickey story ("The Riddle of the Red Hat") had no reference to the Duck characters, so it doesn't make the co-existence of Mickey and Donald in the same universe canon.
Rosa has been clear that Mickey does not exist in his universe except as a fictional character ("Star Struck Duck" would have made Mickey a celebrity but it was never completed or published; even if it had been, it portrays a different relationship between Donald and Mickey than the one you envision and which exists in the story you are citing above). So Mickey Mouse does not exist in the true sense in Rosa canon. What story are you talking about when you say Rosa had Mickey appear in a crowd?

Also, this thread seems redundant considering another similar thread:  "Newer characters you accept into Barks/Rosa canon" ... perhaps they should be merged?

[RobbK1]

I read Mickey Mouse stories by Gottfredson and some Western artists as a child that included Donald. So, I can tolerate a bit of cross fertilisation of The Mouse and Duck Universes. But, I don't like them living in the same city, and don't like the 2 cities being fairly close together. They should only be together in a small % of overall stories, and the 2 cities should be on opposite ends of Calisota.

[rasterax]

I'd rather people just called it the "Rosa Universe". "Barks/Rosa" implies a consistency and continuity in Barks' work that he never intended or cared for, and that the two are inextricably linked, which just isn't the case (Rosa's work is to Barks', of course, but not the other way round).

[drakeborough]

Jul 30, 2017 14:39:42 GMT Baar Baar Jinx said:

Jul 30, 2017 14:07:13 GMT marco996 said:

And I consider canon this story "A Blighted Birthday" where Donald tells his nephews his memories with his old friend Mickey Mouse, who I believe is in the same universe because he made a cameo in a crowd in a Don Rosa story, and had a solo adventure by Barks.

Barks' solo Mickey story ("The Riddle of the Red Hat") had no reference to the Duck characters, so it doesn't make the co-existence of Mickey and Donald in the same universe canon.
Rosa has been clear that Mickey does not exist in his universe except as a fictional character ("Star Struck Duck" would have made Mickey a celebrity but it was never completed or published; even if it had been, it portrays a different relationship between Donald and Mickey than the one you envision and which exists in the story you are citing above). So Mickey Mouse does not exist in the true sense in Rosa canon.

Fun fact: after Taliaferro was asked to stop using the characters from Mickey's strips, he apparently regarded said character as fictional inside the Duck world, in a case of "ante litteram Rosa" attitude. I am thinking of the strip of November 15, 1948:

Jul 30, 2017 14:39:42 GMT Baar Baar Jinx said:

Also, this thread seems redundant considering another similar thread:  "Newer characters you accept into Barks/Rosa canon" ... perhaps they should be merged?

Maybe it's better.

Jul 30, 2017 15:18:25 GMT rasterax said:

I'd rather people just called it the "Rosa Universe". "Barks/Rosa" implies a consistency and continuity in Barks' work that he never intended or cared for, and that the two are inextricably linked, which just isn't the case (Rosa's work is to Barks', of course, but not the other way round).

The use of both terms was also discussed in the other thread. There was no consensus, but it was noted that, if you refer to the events of "Lost in the Andes!", "Tralla La" etc. as "Rosa facts" (which they are, in a way, because they are referred to in Rosa's stories), people may be offended because it seems ypu are giving Rosa the credits for Barks stories. So, while the term has its problems, the term "Barks/Rosa universe" avoids that misunderstanding, and that's why some people prefer using it. 

[Scrooge MacDuck]

Jul 30, 2017 15:39:13 GMT drakeborough said:

Jul 30, 2017 14:39:42 GMT Baar Baar Jinx said:

Barks' solo Mickey story ("The Riddle of the Red Hat") had no reference to the Duck characters, so it doesn't make the co-existence of Mickey and Donald in the same universe canon.
Rosa has been clear that Mickey does not exist in his universe except as a fictional character ("Star Struck Duck" would have made Mickey a celebrity but it was never completed or published; even if it had been, it portrays a different relationship between Donald and Mickey than the one you envision and which exists in the story you are citing above). So Mickey Mouse does not exist in the true sense in Rosa canon.

Fun fact: after Taliaferro was asked to stop using the characters from Mickey's strips, he apparently regarded said character as fictional inside the Duck world, in a case of "ante litteram Rosa" attitude. I am thinking of the strip of November 15, 1948:

I don't know about that… characters reading Disney comic books has been done many times, including cases where they were reading their own stories. 

[drakeborough]

Jul 30, 2017 16:01:31 GMT Scrooge MacDuck said:

Jul 30, 2017 15:39:13 GMT drakeborough said:

Fun fact: after Taliaferro was asked to stop using the characters from Mickey's strips, he apparently regarded said character as fictional inside the Duck world, in a case of "ante litteram Rosa" attitude. I am thinking of the strip of November 15, 1948:

I don't know about that… characters reading Disney comic books has been done many times, including cases where they were reading their own stories. 

I also thought about the same, but it's still an interesting case, given how the comic Donald is reading only features Mickey, and the strip is from a period in which characters from the Mouse universe have long been banned from Donad's stip.

By the way, it's fun how Karp and Taliaferro got away with using such a gag.

[Matilda]

Jul 30, 2017 15:18:25 GMT rasterax said:

I'd rather people just called it the "Rosa Universe". "Barks/Rosa" implies a consistency and continuity in Barks' work that he never intended or cared for, and that the two are inextricably linked, which just isn't the case (Rosa's work is to Barks', of course, but not the other way round).

Here's my comment on this from the other thread:

I wouldn't want to use the phrase "Barks/Rosa universe" to imply a continuity that should be enforced on anyone (or indeed, that Barks himself would approve of!). Rosa himself has consistently been clear that it's fine with him if other creators put things together in other ways. Or don't put things together at all (looking at you, Geradts!).

But to describe my own starting point, I have to say "Barks/Rosa," not just "Rosa." For one thing, there are a slew of Barksian characters (mostly one-shots) who have achieved enduring reality in my headcanon who never showed up in a Rosa story: the Phantom of Notre Duck, Miss Penny Wise, Mr. Birdmind, etc. For another thing, I had a whole Barksian "real" Duckiverse inside my head long before Rosa starting publishing Duck stories. I came largely to accept Rosa's family tree, his timeline and his Life & Times history, plus some characters he added to the world. So now it's a Barks/Rosa Duckiverse, with additional characters and stories from other creators which seem to fit into that world from my POV. (Even the pre-Rosa Barksian Duckiverse in my head had characters and stories from a few other creators: Jeb and Zeb Clinker (Fallberg), for instance, and the flying-carpets-from-the-wool-of-flying-goats story (Fallberg), Ludwig Von Drake and Madam Mim.) >end quotation<

Would you be any happier with "Barks & Rosa universe"?

[RobbK1]

And how could we forget the immortal politicians, Joe Snake and O. U. Drip???

[drakeborough]

Jul 30, 2017 16:11:38 GMT Matilda said:

I wouldn't want to use the phrase "Barks/Rosa universe" to imply a continuity that should be enforced on anyone

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Would you be any happier with "Barks & Rosa universe"?

For me, using the symbol "/" or the symbol "&" doesn't change a thing, so if something as simple as a symbol change can prevent some people from being offended, then I'll gladly adopt that.

[Matilda]

I'm interested to see how others might reply to this thread's question, but I can't really respond to it fully without even MORE "irritatin' detail" than my post in the thread on newer characters. That is to say, I accept stories into my mostly-Barks-and-Rosa headcanon when (1) I like them and (2) they are largely consistent with the Duckworld in my head. As I've said before, I can blip over minor inconsistencies: e.g., post-1960's tech that's not crucial to the plot, or even Scrooge and Elvira being presented as siblings (again, if it's not crucial to the plot). There are dozens of stories that qualify. A whole bunch by Korhonen, several each by Fallberg and by Hedman, three ghost stories by Rota, some Fethry and Belle Duck by Dick Kinney. At least a couple each by Chendi, Cimino, Kirsten de Graaff & Mau Heymans, Geradts, David Gerstein, Janet Gilbert, Michael Gilbert, Lars Jensen, John Lustig, the McGreals, the Shaws, Solstrand, Transgaard, (edit:) William Van Horn. Plus a slew of stories by other authors who so far have contributed only one story to my headcanon. I even accept one story by Martina! Sometimes just one element, character or scene from a story becomes canon for me when the whole story does not. For instance, I totally believe that Elvira is proud of the fact that her ancestors were all working people, not nobility (from the McGreals' "The Duke of Dork"). And I like and adopted the character Maya Astrup & Ferioli created to be Daisy's longtime friend, Amanda Fox, even though I don't like the story in which she debuted. Ah well. That's probably already way too much detail!

[marco996]

For the Mickey cameo in Don Rosa story, it was "Metaphorically Spanking" when everybody is running in the stadium, and in the far-right we can see Mickey running.
Also, I really like the idea of Evert Geradts's gags with young Donald Duck and his sister Della. It fits better in my headcanon than the Donald Duckling series.
I was only able to see them on Inducks, whith a little zoom on the images Hope they get translated to English or French. And I hope the author will be allowed to include the parents in future gags.

[Monkey_Feyerabend]

I have Matilda's approach. But all my headcanon is built following this paramenter, I do no base the whole thing on Barks and Rosa. Of course, there is most of Rosa and basically all Barks therein, as I like them a lot. But everything is reset - I do not even know how - in the present.


(Matilda, I suspect you forgot to mention Van Horn senior among those who belong to your canon with more than one story...)

[marco996]

I like stories that contribute to the canon, like Matilda.
For example, a Kari Korhonem story which tells the origin of Bolivar, (but I do not consider canon his story with Jones as a screenwriter who uses disputes with Donald to sell stories to TV producers).
I handpick the ones that do not contradict too much of my canon.