Gustav, appearing in I TL 1909-D, is named Gastone - though he's not actually designated as a relative in this story.
In the same panel in the German translation, Gustav is called Onkel Gustav by one of the HDL look-a-likes. So that is probably a German translation error. Unless, he is still said to be a relative in one of the other stories of these series.
Does the Fethry look-a-like in the same story have an Italian name? He is not said to be related in the German translation of I TL 1909-D, but he (in German called Dussel) also appears in I M 16-4, in which he is called nephew by the Scrooge look-a-like.
Gustav, appearing in I TL 1909-D, is named Gastone - though he's not actually designated as a relative in this story.
In the same panel in the German translation, Gustav is called Onkel Gustav by one of the HDL look-a-likes. So that is probably a German translation error. Unless, he is still said to be a relative in one of the other stories of these series.
Does the Fethry look-a-like in the same story have an Italian name? He is not said to be related in the German translation of I TL 1909-D, but he (in German called Dussel) also appears in I M 16-4, in which he is called nephew by the Scrooge look-a-like.
Regarding Fethry, he isn't named in 1909-D - he has no speaking lines at all and no one actually refers to him at all The book also has I TL 1922-D. Fethry appears, but once again has no speaking lines and isn't referred to directly. In that one, Gus is referred to as Ciccio, though not explicitly called a relative.
That leaves I M 1-3, I M 16-4 and I M 23-2 for stories in which this could be figured out. The 'family' is usually depicted as Donald, Scrooge, Huey, Dewey, Louie, Gus, Fethry, Gladstone, Grandma and Brigitta. Daisy is clearly defined as Donald's love interest (in I TL 1922-D, at least). Gyro is often present, but he's shown to have his own living space. I say 'family' in marks because they're never referred to as such - they're just seen living together and whatnot.
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In the same panel in the German translation, Gustav is called Onkel Gustav by one of the HDL look-a-likes. So that is probably a German translation error. Unless, he is still said to be a relative in one of the other stories of these series.
Does the Fethry look-a-like in the same story have an Italian name? He is not said to be related in the German translation of I TL 1909-D, but he (in German called Dussel) also appears in I M 16-4, in which he is called nephew by the Scrooge look-a-like.
Regarding Fethry, he isn't named in 1909-D - he has no speaking lines at all and no one actually refers to him at all The book also has I TL 1922-D. Fethry appears, but once again has no speaking lines and isn't referred to directly. In that one, Gus is referred to as Ciccio, though not explicitly called a relative.
That leaves I M 1-3, I M 16-4 and I M 23-2 for stories in which this could be figured out. The 'family' is usually depicted as Donald, Scrooge, Huey, Dewey, Louie, Gus, Fethry, Gladstone, Grandma and Brigitta. Daisy is clearly defined as Donald's love interest (in I TL 1922-D, at least). Gyro is often present, but he's shown to have his own living space. I say 'family' in marks because they're never referred to as such - they're just seen living together and whatnot.
The Fethry look-a-like is not named either in the German translation of 1909-D. But I wasn't sure about the original, so that's why I asked. Both his name and the relation to the Scrooge look-a-like, I got from the German translation of I M 16-4. Scan here.
I don't know anything about I M 1-3 or I M 23-2. I have never read these.
Regarding Fethry, he isn't named in 1909-D - he has no speaking lines at all and no one actually refers to him at all The book also has I TL 1922-D. Fethry appears, but once again has no speaking lines and isn't referred to directly. In that one, Gus is referred to as Ciccio, though not explicitly called a relative.
That leaves I M 1-3, I M 16-4 and I M 23-2 for stories in which this could be figured out. The 'family' is usually depicted as Donald, Scrooge, Huey, Dewey, Louie, Gus, Fethry, Gladstone, Grandma and Brigitta. Daisy is clearly defined as Donald's love interest (in I TL 1922-D, at least). Gyro is often present, but he's shown to have his own living space. I say 'family' in marks because they're never referred to as such - they're just seen living together and whatnot.
The Fethry look-a-like is not named either in the German translation of 1909-D. But I wasn't sure about the original, so that's why I asked. Both his name and the relation to the Scrooge look-a-like, I got from the German translation of I M 16-4. Scan here.
I don't know anything about I M 1-3 or I M 23-2. I have never read these.
Interesting - funds are a touch tight at the moment, but I'll note that we need the other 'Paperino: Agente Segreto Preistorico' stories in Italian. To be honest, they're actually a lot of fun regardless, so I'd like to pick them up
Separate note, the rest of my books have arrived!
For relevant translations: Currently, we don't actually have any confirmed scans or names for Tobias McDuck (D 4940). I picked up the story in Italian... or, as I learned, I picked up part 1 of the story in Italian. I don't know how it ends, but there's a lot of discussion of Scrooge's uncle Ocone. No surname given in my copy.
I'll try at some point to pick up the second half, but that might be a while down the line - always read the INDUCKS entry carefully, kiddos
Next, we have I TL 1530-B. Pato Volta's name is Paper Volta. For documentation's sake, there's also a photo on the wall in Paper Volta's house:
Next up, Donald Galileo - in Italian, Paperin Galileo. A bit further down, we have Narciso, whose name is Gastone. In the opening, it's said that Giovanni with no land is disputing his brother Riccardo in tournament for the throne of England. Paperino is the champion for Giovanni, and Gastone is the champion for Riccardo. If I'm reading it correctly, Giovanni is a Scrooge lookalike, while Riccardo doesn't appear. Giovanni is accompanied by an unnamed Daisy lookalike - presumably his daughter?
In the end, Gastone cheats and wins the tournament, and to quote the story, "King Giovanni remained without land". In the end, the Daisy lookalike is seen referring to Gastone as 'Mio prode!' while he looks confidently back at her. I don't know if this is meant to imply a relationship - here's the scan for clarity:
Next is I TL 2141-1. Donald Duck is great-uncle Paperino. Daisy is Paperina. Primus von Quack is Pico de Paperis. Dagobert is Paperone. Implied to be a last name, as he's referred to as both 'Zio Paperone' and 'Signor Paperone'.
Now, on to the juicy stuff: First off is Don Pepito Paperon. I've gone through I TL 1131-A. Not only does he actually appear in the story, he also appears in multiple others - they're all under the banner of 'C'era Una Volta il West'. The other stories are I TL 1133-B and I TL 1138-B. That being said, none of the stories actually give any reason to believe that these characters are ancestors. Don Pepito is a Scrooge lookalike, and there's a decently-sized family between the three stories. I've searched for anything to tie them in as ancestors - articles, frame stories etc - but found nothing. I think it's safe to assume he's not an ancestor.
Finally, Paperonk and Sandopaper. As with Pepito, the stories don't claim him to be an ancestor. However, there is a framing device in the book I got, as mentioned previously. It vaguely confirms him to be an ancestor - it's not done directly, however. Basically, the framing device is that Donald and Fethry are watching the money bin, but they slack off and play video games. Scrooge catches them, and informs them that Rockerduck found a gigantic pearl. Donald brings up the Pearl of Labuan, and that segues into I TL 1096-AP. The story ends with the pearl having gone missing. Donald comments that Paperonk must have found it, because of his similarity to a certain other uncle. Scrooge asks why he should care, and Donald points out that he read Sandopaper's stories in Scrooge's library. Scrooge realizes that this means the next story must also be in there, and sends Donald and Fethry to find the precious volume. Fethry doesn't get why it's such a big deal, and Donald explains that Scrooge's library contains the adventures of the Disney gang and their ancestors.
They slack off by reading other stories. Because of this assertion, we can count the relevant characters from I TL 273-A, I TL 1140-AP and I TL 159-AP as ancestors (Though I TL 159-AP doesn't have any candidates). Eventually, Scrooge comes back to see how they're getting on - naturally, they've found nothing. He has brought Gladstone along, and Gladstone, of course, happens to pick up I TL 1679-A on his first try - thereby confirming Paperonk and co. as relatives.
The book ends with Scrooge forcing Donald and Fethry to manually search the ocean for the pearl - which, of course, is just out of their sight.
So, as mentioned, Donald says that Scrooge's library contains the adventures of the Disney gang and their ancestors. I would interpret this as we have previously - we take the relevant character and extrapolate, rather than assuming every expy is an ancestor. Operating on that logic, we can confirm that Paperonk is an ancestor, as well as the following: Paperanna, Paperonk's niece
Sandopaper, who is all but confirmed to marry Paperanna
Sandopaper's Three Unnamed Nephews.
Possibly Yanez - he frequently refers to Sandopaper as 'brother' or 'little brother', but I don't know if it's meant to be literal.
The nephews don't call him 'uncle', at least. In I TL 1679-A, Sandopaper refers to him as 'friend'. Paperin Babà, a Donald lookalike who lived 'many years ago in Baghdad'.
Paperin Babà's Three Unnamed Nephews.
Alì Gaston is Paperin Babà's milk brother - so not a blood relative.
The ones from I TL 1140-AP are a bit more vague - we could include Il Corsaro Nero and his niece, but I don't think we should. As mentioned above, the stories are about the adventures of the Disney gang and their ancestors - this story actually has a frame, where Donald and Scrooge travel back in time, and Scrooge is confused for Il Corsaro Nero. At the end of the story, when Scrooge chases Donald while still in the pirate outfit, Donald claims that being a pirate is in his blood. It could be taken either way, but I think it's best not to consider them relatives - though I can include scans and such if people think otherwise
Next up, I want to revisit what I mentioned in the previous post: In the Prehistory book, it mentions that the characters are the ancestors of the ancestors of the ancestors of Donald, Mickey and company. I think, given the circumstances, the most reasonable interpretation is that we go with the title characters as being the ancestors. Given this interpretation, there are a few more to add in: Umperio Bogarto, an ancestor of Humphrey Gokart.
Paperoga, an ancestor of Fethry. (Both from I TL 2372-6)
Paperina, an ancestor of Daisy from a million years ago.
Paperina's Three Unnamed Nephews.
The strange thing is, Donald doesn't appear except for on a picture on Paperina's wall - the boys call her 'Zia Paperina'.
Zio Paperone, Paperina's uncle. Again, no mention of Donald. (I M 22-4)
Paperut (No direct reference, but would presumably be Donald's ancestor)
Paperonut, a Scrooge lookalike and Paperut's uncle.
Paprog, a Fethry lookalike who refers to Paperonut as 'uncle'.
Gastonut, a Gladstone lookalike who refers to Paperut as 'cousin'
Paperuta, a Daisy lookalike. A love interest in general, but in I TL 2638-5, he gives her a small diamond - which, at the end of the story, she outright puts on her finger.
Marilut, Paprog's cousin from I TL 2748-3. She's the blonde one in the scan.
Finally, a note about a previous story. In I TL 1849-B, are we sure that the Roman-Mac Papers are relatives? The story explains that there are no direct descendants of the Roman-Mac Papers, so a test is done by measuring the skull of potential inheritors. It's not described in detail, so it could be some odd thing where the descendant would have to have a specifically shaped head... but I dunno.
Added on extra note - I was curious about D 2016-011, so I picked up a French copy. I was pretty happy with it - although I have a few points worth noting: The French version labels her as 'Canardosaurus Furibardum' - though that's the species and isn't even stated in-story, so I can understand if that wasn't considered her name. She has at least four eggs - and, as one of the boys notes, those eggs are the boys' future. Technically they should be listed, I'd imagine?
Finally, the story begins with Donald doing some genealogy research himself - in the Dutch version, he's trying to find info about his great-great-great grandmother's niece (Or cousin - nicht), and in the French version, he's trying to find info about his great-grandmother's cousin. Seeing as he has a book with an image open to a female duck's picture, wouldn't it stand to reason that she's the one he's trying to learn about? I suppose it would depend on what translation we accept - it's a D-Coded story not published in Denmark. Personally I'd trust the Dutch version, but that's just my own opinion.
That's all from me for now! Ticking away at the index itself, but wanted to get all of this stuff jotted down first. Any questions or the like, feel free to throw them my way!
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Apologies to double-post; just have a few extra things to bring up. I found some Dutch articles on the Duck family and co. - some of it seems dubious, but I wanted to log what I could here for posterity. They marked many as 'not explicitly being an ancestor'. I left those out - some don't seem to be referred to as ancestors, but I thought it was worth mentioning in case anyone had the relevant issues to hand:
The first is HC DD1998-20D - technically lookalikes as far as I can understand. However, the Scrooge expy is mentioned as being part of the 'Duck tribe'. I can't read most of it, though, and can't make out any of the Grandma and Gus section. Worth bringing up, at least.
D 2006-389 features King Minos, a Scrooge lookalike. I can't make out much from INDUCKS, but he's posited as an ancestor.
Since we're measuring them now, D 99122 supposedly features a past life of Donald, if anyone could help out on that one?
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In the end, the Daisy lookalike is seen referring to Gastone as 'Mio prode!' while he looks confidently back at her. I don't know if this is meant to imply a relationship
Since there isn't anything else about it, I think it's not enough to imply a relationship.
Next is I TL 2141-1. Donald Duck is great-uncle Paperino.
In the German version (in which he is said to be HDL's great-great-great-uncle) he is specifically said to have the same name as Donald Duck. Donald namely says that he is proud to have the same name as his ancestor. Is that also the case in the Italian version? If so, I think we can best call him Donald Duck in the tree instead of Paperino.
Added on extra note - I was curious about D 2016-011, so I picked up a French copy. I was pretty happy with it - although I have a few points worth noting: The French version labels her as 'Canardosaurus Furibardum' - though that's the species and isn't even stated in-story, so I can understand if that wasn't considered her name. She has at least four eggs - and, as one of the boys notes, those eggs are the boys' future. Technically they should be listed, I'd imagine?
Yes, that should indeed imply that one of their eggs is their direct ancestor. Good catch, I missed that. The only thing is that we don't know how many eggs will actually hatch. Only 1 is needed to secure their future. So I am not sure if I should give her 1 or 4 children in the tree.
Finally, the story begins with Donald doing some genealogy research himself - in the Dutch version, he's trying to find info about his great-great-great grandmother's niece (Or cousin - nicht), and in the French version, he's trying to find info about his great-grandmother's cousin. Seeing as he has a book with an image open to a female duck's picture, wouldn't it stand to reason that she's the one he's trying to learn about? I suppose it would depend on what translation we accept - it's a D-Coded story not published in Denmark. Personally I'd trust the Dutch version, but that's just my own opinion.
I don't have much reason here to trust the Dutch version more than the French version. It's just some line within the story that can very easily be changed. Maybe the Norwegian and Swedish versions (published by Egmont) would give more clarity.
Apologies to double-post; just have a few extra things to bring up. I found some Dutch articles on the Duck family and co. - some of it seems dubious, but I wanted to log what I could here for posterity. They marked many as 'not explicitly being an ancestor'. I left those out - some don't seem to be referred to as ancestors, but I thought it was worth mentioning in case anyone had the relevant issues to hand:
The first is HC DD1998-20D - technically lookalikes as far as I can understand. However, the Scrooge expy is mentioned as being part of the 'Duck tribe'. I can't read most of it, though, and can't make out any of the Grandma and Gus section. Worth bringing up, at least.
D 2006-389 features King Minos, a Scrooge lookalike. I can't make out much from INDUCKS, but he's posited as an ancestor.
Since we're measuring them now, D 99122 supposedly features a past life of Donald, if anyone could help out on that one?
HC DD 1998-20D. I would consider them look-a-likes and not ancestors, as there is nothing that specifically says that these members of the Duckstam (Duck tribe) are ancestors. The only thing we know is that the Scrooge look-a-like (Dagho-Bert) is the richest member of this Duck tribe and that Oh-Mah (the Grandma look-a-like) is the oldest tribe member. We even don't know for sure if the tribe members are related to eachother.
D 2006-389. Donald and Scrooge travel back in time. There they meet several ducks, but none of them is said to be an ancestor or so.
D 99122. Donald was in his previous life called Donaldo (name in the Dutch translation), living in Florence around 1500. He was the assistant of Leonarducko Da Vinci. So, not for the tree, as he is not said to be an ancestor.
In the end, the Daisy lookalike is seen referring to Gastone as 'Mio prode!' while he looks confidently back at her. I don't know if this is meant to imply a relationship
Since there isn't anything else about it, I think it's not enough to imply a relationship.
Next is I TL 2141-1. Donald Duck is great-uncle Paperino.
In the German version (in which he is said to be HDL's great-great-great-uncle) he is specifically said to have the same name as Donald Duck. Donald namely says that he is proud to have the same name as his ancestor. Is that also the case in the Italian version? If so, I think we can best call him Donald Duck in the tree instead of Paperino.
Added on extra note - I was curious about D 2016-011, so I picked up a French copy. I was pretty happy with it - although I have a few points worth noting: The French version labels her as 'Canardosaurus Furibardum' - though that's the species and isn't even stated in-story, so I can understand if that wasn't considered her name. She has at least four eggs - and, as one of the boys notes, those eggs are the boys' future. Technically they should be listed, I'd imagine?
Yes, that should indeed imply that one of their eggs is their direct ancestor. Good catch, I missed that. The only thing is that we don't know how many eggs will actually hatch. Only 1 is needed to secure their future. So I am not sure if I should give her 1 or 4 children in the tree.
Finally, the story begins with Donald doing some genealogy research himself - in the Dutch version, he's trying to find info about his great-great-great grandmother's niece (Or cousin - nicht), and in the French version, he's trying to find info about his great-grandmother's cousin. Seeing as he has a book with an image open to a female duck's picture, wouldn't it stand to reason that she's the one he's trying to learn about? I suppose it would depend on what translation we accept - it's a D-Coded story not published in Denmark. Personally I'd trust the Dutch version, but that's just my own opinion.
I don't have much reason here to trust the Dutch version more than the French version. It's just some line within the story that can very easily be changed. Maybe the Norwegian and Swedish versions (published by Egmont) would give more clarity.
Fair, I thought about the same - but still worth bringing up
In I TL 2141-1, he's explained by Donald as 'prozio Paperino'. I don't see any panel of Donald making such a comment - I could show the Italian version of the relevant panel, if it helps?
Technically, as you say, only one has to hatch, and we have no definitive proof that all four did. However, if we take story implications, I think it's reasonable to assume that all four did - Canardosaurus Furibardum managed to scare off a group of dinosaurs with no hassle. I would say that there's not much reason to assume that she didn't at least get them hatched
Fair - I'm mainly just thinking of a couple of situations where the French versions changed what the relationship was. That would be a good idea - sadly the only other version on INDUCKS is the Greek one. Worth keeping note of for future, at least!
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Apologies to double-post; just have a few extra things to bring up. I found some Dutch articles on the Duck family and co. - some of it seems dubious, but I wanted to log what I could here for posterity. They marked many as 'not explicitly being an ancestor'. I left those out - some don't seem to be referred to as ancestors, but I thought it was worth mentioning in case anyone had the relevant issues to hand:
The first is HC DD1998-20D - technically lookalikes as far as I can understand. However, the Scrooge expy is mentioned as being part of the 'Duck tribe'. I can't read most of it, though, and can't make out any of the Grandma and Gus section. Worth bringing up, at least.
D 2006-389 features King Minos, a Scrooge lookalike. I can't make out much from INDUCKS, but he's posited as an ancestor.
Since we're measuring them now, D 99122 supposedly features a past life of Donald, if anyone could help out on that one?
HC DD 1998-20D. I would consider them look-a-likes and not ancestors, as there is nothing that specifically says that these members of the Duckstam (Duck tribe) are ancestors. The only thing we know is that the Scrooge look-a-like (Dagho-Bert) is the richest member of this Duck tribe and that Oh-Mah (the Grandma look-a-like) is the oldest tribe member. We even don't know for sure if the tribe members are related to eachother.
D 2006-389. Donald and Scrooge travel back in time. There they meet several ducks, but none of them is said to be an ancestor or so.
D 99122. Donald was in his previous life called Donaldo (name in the Dutch translation), living in Florence around 1500. He was the assistant of Leonarducko Da Vinci. So, not for the tree, as he is not said to be an ancestor.
That's fair - worth bringing up all the same
Ah, okay - the source had a fair number of lookalikes listed, but I just wanted to check King Minos because he wasn't designated as such, so thank you for that
As That Duckfan mentioned, the past lives are relevant, at least depending on one's point of view - not necessarily needed to be added to the tree, but I want to document them in the index when possible Do you have any scans of the issue? Mainly just anything that specifies it as a past life and, if possible, scans of Donaldo himself
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In I TL 2141-1, he's explained by Donald as 'prozio Paperino'. I don't see any panel of Donald making such a comment - I could show the Italian version of the relevant panel, if it helps?
Here are the relevant panels in German. With Donald saying to HDL "Ich will euch heute von den Heldentaten eures Ururgroßonkels Donald Duck berichten" (I want to tell you today about the heroic deeds of your great-great-granduncle Donald Duck) and on the next page "Jener Vorfahr, dessen Name ich heute mit Stolz trage..." (this ancestor, whose name I carry with pride today...).
As That Duckfan mentioned, the past lives are relevant, at least depending on one's point of view - not necessarily needed to be added to the tree, but I want to document them in the index when possible Do you have any scans of the issue? Mainly just anything that specifies it as a past life and, if possible, scans of Donaldo himself
In I TL 2141-1, he's explained by Donald as 'prozio Paperino'. I don't see any panel of Donald making such a comment - I could show the Italian version of the relevant panel, if it helps?
Here are the relevant panels in German. With Donald saying to HDL "Ich will euch heute von den Heldentaten eures Ururgroßonkels Donald Duck berichten" (I want to tell you today about the heroic deeds of your great-great-granduncle Donald Duck) and on the next page "Jener Vorfahr, dessen Name ich heute mit Stolz trage..." (this ancestor, whose name I carry with pride today...).
As That Duckfan mentioned, the past lives are relevant, at least depending on one's point of view - not necessarily needed to be added to the tree, but I want to document them in the index when possible Do you have any scans of the issue? Mainly just anything that specifies it as a past life and, if possible, scans of Donaldo himself
No problem. I will make some scan later.
Here's the same content in Italian:
Come sarebbe? Volete paragonare la fantascienza al fascino dell'epopea western? - What would it be like? Do you want to compare science fiction to the charm of the western epic?
Intrepidi scerifi che inseguivano fuorilegge... ardimentosi pionieri che colonizzavano nuove terre... quelle sí, che erano grandi avventure! - Intrepid sheriffs chasing outlaws... daring pioneers colonizing new lands... those were great adventures!
Sará... ma é roba passata! - Maybe... but that's a thing of the past! Oromai, siamo quasi nel duemila! - Now, we are almost in the year 2000!
Parlate cosí perché non conoscete le leggendarie gesta dei nostri avi! - You talk like this because you don't know the legendary deeds of our ancestors!
Vi racconteró le imprese del prozio Paperino... - I will tell you about great uncle Paperino's exploits...
...Che guidava una carovanna di pionieri, diretti nelle fertili terre dell'Oregon, per cominciare una nuova vita... - ...Who led a caravan of pioneers, headed to the fertile lands of Oregon, to begin a new life...
Il nostro avo conosceva bene il percorso e non aveva la benché minima esitazione sulla strada da seguire! - Our ancestor knew the route well and had not the slightest hesitation about the path to follow!
Testa, andiamo a destra! Croce, a sinistra! - Head, let's go right! Tails, left!
And that's excellent regarding Donaldo, thank you!
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The ones from I TL 1140-AP are a bit more vague - we could include Il Corsaro Nero and his niece, but I don't think we should. As mentioned above, the stories are about the adventures of the Disney gang and their ancestors - this story actually has a frame, where Donald and Scrooge travel back in time, and Scrooge is confused for Il Corsaro Nero. At the end of the story, when Scrooge chases Donald while still in the pirate outfit, Donald claims that being a pirate is in his blood. It could be taken either way, but I think it's best not to consider them relatives - though I can include scans and such if people think otherwise
Based on what you say about the frame story and your conclusion to include Paperonk as well as Paperin Babà, I think the logical conclusion would be that Il Corsaro Nero should be regarded as an ancestor. It might be interpreted differently based on the story itself, but it doesn't really contradict it either. Anyway, we actually already have this pirate on the tree. Namely as Scrooge "Blackbeak" McDuck from S 70215, I TL 216-AP and I TL 714-AP. Given the similarities, I think that is all supposed to be the same character. We just have to add his niece.
The ones from I TL 1140-AP are a bit more vague - we could include Il Corsaro Nero and his niece, but I don't think we should. As mentioned above, the stories are about the adventures of the Disney gang and their ancestors - this story actually has a frame, where Donald and Scrooge travel back in time, and Scrooge is confused for Il Corsaro Nero. At the end of the story, when Scrooge chases Donald while still in the pirate outfit, Donald claims that being a pirate is in his blood. It could be taken either way, but I think it's best not to consider them relatives - though I can include scans and such if people think otherwise
Based on what you say about the frame story and your conclusion to include Paperonk as well as Paperin Babà, I think the logical conclusion would be that Il Corsaro Nero should be regarded as an ancestor. It might be interpreted differently based on the story itself, but it doesn't really contradict it either. Anyway, we actually already have this pirate on the tree. Namely as Scrooge "Blackbeak" McDuck from S 70215, I TL 216-AP and I TL 714-AP. Given the similarities, I think that is all supposed to be the same character. We just have to add his niece.
The main reason I had doubts about Il Corsaro Nero vs Paperonk is the use of framing devices in-story; while the first Sandopaper starts with Donald and the boys being told by old Yanez, 'Le Due Tigri' has nothing like that. As such, we can confirm that the Sandopaper stories refer to an ancestor based on the line about the library. I wasn't as sure about Il Corsaro Nero because the story features Donald & Co. going back in time with a machine of Gyro's - I'll give the story another look, but I don't think any ancestry is mentioned.
I'm not against adding him, because as you say, it does fit with the statement - I was just unsure because it's not as clear a fit as the others from my reading
Don't know how I forgot he was already there, though
Do you need scans of Il Corsaro Nero's niece?
Also, side-note - I was checking a few details, and something came up regarding I TL 2116-4. Pretty much all of the portraits have been disregarded currently because they're unnamed and whatnot - but, from some pictures I found online (Posted by Xanderares I believe), there's one named "Paperello da Messin".
I haven't read the story myself, so I can't comment on how he would fit in or anything, but worth bringing up, I'd say
EDIT: Also worth bringing this up, as I've meant to a few times:
I TL 2477-4 features the Paperier cousins, as well as Paperon de'Papergnac. They were discussed previously, but dismissed because they weren't stated to be ancestors in the story, but in an external article. Since we're pretty solidly accepting supporting articles now, I feel like they should probably be added
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