I'll try to put together a visual representation of Daffy's tree shortly for people's perusal - from what I understand, people generally just use the likes of an art program, there's no specific tool? Family Echo was great for constructing the tree, but it doesn't work well visually.
For sure there is some dedicated software to make a family tree, but I'm not really familiar with that. Such software can often also be quite limiting (like various online tools), especially if you don't want to invest too much in it. Many for example don't allow you to see the whole tree at once, especially if the tree gets large or complicated. Art programs give more freedom in how you want the tree to look like, and it can actually also be easier to construct the tree if you are already familiar with these programs. I'm using Inkscape to make the tree.
I've decided to just do up my Daffy tree manually - it's coming along fairly well, should have it finished today or tomorrow
It'll probably be fairly basic, but it should get the relevant information across, at least
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It might be worth trying to track down one of the relevant Rosa collections? I'd be very surprised if they just showed something like Return to Duckburg Place with absolutely no context - seeing as it features graphic violence and uses slurs, it would probably need at least a little explanation? If it had an explanatory article, it might give a little insight into the context?
The bottom of each page of the story itself, mentions: from Don Rosa's archive, copyright (c) Don Rosa, with the exclusive permission from Disney for this edition. Nothing said though about permission by Warner Bros.
It might be worth trying to track down one of the relevant Rosa collections? I'd be very surprised if they just showed something like Return to Duckburg Place with absolutely no context - seeing as it features graphic violence and uses slurs, it would probably need at least a little explanation? If it had an explanatory article, it might give a little insight into the context?
The bottom of each page of the story itself, mentions: from Don Rosa's archive, copyright (c) Don Rosa, with the exclusive permission from Disney for this edition. Nothing said though about permission by Warner Bros.
I'll be blunt - I don't understand a lot of it I translated some of it, but it mainly seems to be about the context. If I'm reading it correctly, though, he says that he explained the story previously in his other biography? From what I can see (Again, having skimmed and translated bits), the story itself isn't really discussed much. I could be reading too much into it, though - I'll revisit this after sleeping
The bottom of each page of the story itself, mentions: from Don Rosa's archive, copyright (c) Don Rosa, with the exclusive permission from Disney for this edition. Nothing said though about permission by Warner Bros.
I'll be blunt - I don't understand a lot of it I translated some of it, but it mainly seems to be about the context. If I'm reading it correctly, though, he says that he explained the story previously in his other biography? From what I can see (Again, having skimmed and translated bits), the story itself isn't really discussed much. I could be reading too much into it, though - I'll revisit this after sleeping
It's indeed mostly about context and not so much about the story itself. Daffy isn't discussed or mentioned or anything. That explanation in his biography, I think just refers to the biography in the same volume, which is basically the scans of page 18/19/20 (mostly 19). The biography itself is longer, but it's not relevant with regard to this story.
Many of my books arrived the other day - as such, I can provide the following updates:
There is some uncertainty around I TL 2916-1D. The reason I bring it up is because of I TL 2916-1A. I'll say upfront that this is not based on any concrete statements. So, I TL 2916-1A is a frame story - this story features Huey, Dewey and Louie at the public library studying chemistry. Ludwig happens upon them, and essentially gives them a crash course on the history of chemistry - in most cases, it's one panel dedicated to a specific person, examples of which include Robert Boyle, Georg Agricola and Jabir Ibn Hayyan (and, as a gag, Merlin). He eventually leads into the story about Gus' ancestor, Monsieur Cicciotte, who is already on the tree. Once that story is finished, he tells them about their ancestor, Paperiev (Side-note, I suggested previously that Paperiev should probably be his surname. Having read the story, I agree it's much more likely to be his first name). They tell Ludwig that, with his stories, they have finished their research. He tells them that they haven't and he has another story to tell. This leads into I TL 2916-1D, the story of Von Paperonen and his nephew, Von Paperinen. During the frame story, he says: "Ecco un'altra importantissima scoperta della chimica in cui c'é lo zampino di un nostro antenato!" He then gives a brief summary on the history of plastic, citing figures like Alexander Parkes and Leo Hendrik Baekeland. He then leads into the story of Gaston Meneghin (I'll return to him in a minute). The story ends with the boys leaving while he tells them that there are many other fields for them to discuss, like biochemistry, electrochemistry and pharmaceutical chemistry.
So, cycling back to I TL 2916-1D, there's nothing explicitly treating Von Paperonen and Von Paperinen as ancestors - Ludwig never says anything, and the boys don't infer it. The reason I bring it up is because it feels to me like they should be assumed as such by the story's framing. As mentioned, most of the stories he tells explicitly refer to ancestors - Monsieur Cicciote, Paperiev and Gaston Meneghin are all referred to as such. Von Paperonen is the only story in which this isn't the case. The reason this is odd to me is because he brings up a great many non-related chemists - as in, even with the examples I brought up above, there are several more that he also mentions in a single panel. That's why I'd infer that Von Paperonen and Von Paperinen are ancestors - for the most part, he only tells them stories about ancestors, while other chemists are just footnotes. It seems odd to me that Von Paperonen and Von Paperinen would be the sole exception to that across the story. That being said, it's never explicitly stated, so I'll leave that up to your discretion. I won't bother with scans right now, but if you decide this is a basis to include them, I'll post them in here
Next up is Gaston Meneghin from I TL 2916-1E. As has been discussed, it's a weird one in terms of chronology. Ludwig refers to him as 'our ancestor', but the story takes place in 1959. In the final panel, it's implied that the story is intended to take place in 2011 - which we'd obviously be wanting to ignore. I'd say that the best option would be to just include him in the right place and ignore that part of it. There's a girl that Gaston is infatuated with, too. In the end, Gaston doesn't get any rewards for his accidental discovery - however, as Ludwig puts it, 'He received a much more welcome reward (For him, at least)'. Nothing directly stated, but I'd take that as a fairly clear implication that they more than likely stuck together.
Next up, Qit/PKOM 11A. Sadly, this one was bogus - it's speaking in a literary sense of characters that inspired Paperinik (Though Fantomius is briefly discussed as well).
Regarding I TL 2479-6, I can confirm that great-uncle David is a translation error. No mention of a relative in the Italian original.
I AO 56025-A features ancestors: The Ducks are at a picnic, and Huey, Dewey and Louie put together a paper boat from a newspaper. Donald gets angry and crumples it up, before throwing it into the river. He then spots something about an inheritance, but is unable to catch the paper. The boys tell him it was an old newspaper that they used to wrap the sandwiches. At the public library, Donald finds a paper from last week:
"Very important!
Inherit Ducks!!!
Anyone who claims the right to the assets of the late Gregor McPaper should present themselves to the notary Higgins in Edinburgh to collect the substantial inheritance. Last deadline, 28th c.m. after which the inheritance will be confiscated by the state!" Donald is ecstatic, and explains to the boys that Gregor McPaper is his ancestor, and he remembers the name well. His fun is ruined when the boys point out that Scrooge and Gladstone are also heirs.
Through a series of events, all three turn out to be trying to inherit. (Odd side-note: Gladstone refers to him as both Gregor McPapero and, more bizarrely, Gregor van Gregor McPaper.) The story ends with Gladstone winning, but it turns out the inheritance is a rotten old ship... which Gladstone is selling to the museum for a million dollars. I don't know how those names got through, but I'd say we can accept the correct name as Gregor McPaper.
Next up, we have I TL 2087-4. This story opens with Scrooge awaiting the cleaners (Naturally, Donald and HDL). He explains to Battista that they'll be cleaning the 'Gallery of the Meritorious' - which he further explains as containing "Deserving and kindred relatives, prey to dust and cobwebs!". We get to see some of the depictions in this gallery - we get a few names, like A Mida "L'Oro", De'Papero Napoleon, Sir Paper and... one guy is just P.P.P.
The focus of the story is De'Rapinoni. Scrooge describes him as follows: "The terrible ancestor acted in the shadows, hidden behind a legendary helmet, similar to this one but... duck-billed!"
Soon after, when reading the paper, Donald says "The opaque relative reappears!" - apparently, an auction house has put up a listing for De'Rapinoni's helmet. It's a long enough story, but that's all that's really relevant for the tree, I believe. I'll reread it another time to be sure.
And finally, I picked up a book - Paperina e le Altre. The book has an insert, which reads (Translated): Daisy's diary is even more well-known throughout the world than Laura Palmer's, in whose pages the girlfriend of the most famous duck in history has been writing down her daily adventures for decades. The fifth authorized biography of the WALT DISNEY PRESENTS... series, conceived and created by WALT DISNEY COMPANY Italia, is dedicated to the romantic, energetic and efficient duck. The main moments of Daisy Duck's life in comics and on the cinema screen are described, her life at Uncle Scrooge's newspaper "Papersera", the romantic encounters with Donald Duck and the skirmishes with Gladstone...
But together with her, the other protagonists of the Duck clan also appear in this volume, from the luciferine witch Magica to the peaceful Grandma Duck. Furthermore, a special chapter is dedicated to the reconstruction of the family tree of the Duck clan, whose progenitors date back to the dawn of time. The many archive images, unpublished and rare, are accompanied by brand new ones by Giovan Battista Carpi, who also illustrated a costume "photo novel" written by Guido Martina, where Daisy Duck takes on the role of a Madame Butterfly of our times .
With the protagonist of this volume, Mickey Mouse, Huey Dewey Louie, Goofy and Donald Duck have already appeared in the WALT DISNEY PRESENTA... series, which will soon also host Pete, Pluto, Scrooge McDuck, Gyro Gearloose and the other members of the Disney Band , mobilized to reveal the "behind the scenes" known so far only to a small circle of experts. Not massively relevant, but worth stating
I'll be blunt - it's a long enough book. I'll read through it properly, but in order to get an update out in reasonable time, I'll just show what's said in the chapter about family: There's a Cave Duck that looks like Daisy - she's referred to as 'one of the first Daisy Ducks' (una delle prime Paperine). I don't know if the image is seen anywhere else, but no origin for it is given.
There's a whole discussion on the Duck family - a lot of it is simply explaining comic info, but there's one passage (translated) that seems to contain new info: "In the heraldic reconstruction, Daisy hypothesizes that the McDuck line and the others have a common origin, but further studies will be necessary on this topic, even if the official documents are particularly barren of information. Evidently, at the time of Amerigo McDuck, the first duck to land in the New World, there were many other problems to solve than ordering one's own genealogy to be handed down to posterity." I don't think Amerigo McDuck is a character who has existed previously. In a lot of cases, the character is given their Italian name with the English in brackets - for example, il conte Braccio-di-ferro (Sir Eider McDuck) whereas Amerigo McDuck is only referred to by that name. Strangely, Pap McPaper, who we know as Danblane, is translated as 'Duke McDuck' - if worth noting, it refers to "The stubborn pirate Pap McPaper, who had been raiding the coasts of Central America since 1636 aboard his galleon from the British Isles".
The chapter also claims that Titus is a younger brother of Jake, that Cyril is a younger brother of Scrooge. Comically, here's what they have to say about Grandma: "Probably younger than Scrooge, Elviry Duck must have frequented the rich relative even in the years preceding their old age, as emerges from time to time in some nebulous stories. Their degree of kinship is difficult to reconstruct, also because in the Paperi family all traces of some members who certainly exist have been lost." They just didn't want to go there Daisy then makes an interesting hypothesis (translated, with stuff like specific comic names chopped:) "Thus, for example, Scrooge must have had at least four other sisters: the first, by marrying a certain Mr. Gander, father of Gladstone, gave him this light-hearted and solitary nephew; the second is instead the duck that Mr. Duck, Donald Duck's father, had abandoned before he even decided to come out of his shell, as the chronicles say. The other two sisters, who married two further members of the Duck line, in turn gave birth to a couple of Donald's bizarre cousins. The first Kildare Coot is presented as the black sheep of the family. Donald Duck had decided to keep his existence hidden from HDL until we learn that his attempts go up in smoke due to a postcard stamped in an bizarre way that announces a visit, after Kildare has been discharged from a clinic for the mentally disturbed . The other cousin, on the other hand, lived far from Duckburg for a long time, where he returned in 1963 and ended up moving there. He is the crazy, illogical, impetuous Fethry Duck, crazy to the point of sometimes bordering on genius even though he immerses himself in a daily bath of recklessness." This comment is made regarding Daisy's relation to the family: "And Daisy Duck? As far as she is concerned, the reader of Disney stories is informed about the existence of her distant relationship with Donald, Fethry, Gladstone and Kildare. We also know about her cousin Delila, long-limbed and attractive, her aunts Matilda and Drusilla and a mysterious sister, who has never appeared in comics or animated films until now, but is the parent of AMJ, the three ducklings who are the perfect female counterparts to HDL." Note that all of the mentioned relatives are accounted for. Ready for something bizarre? Here ya go: "Finally, relatives with more gallinaceous features belong to a secondary branch of the family, those whose hooked beak curves and hardens downwards, like Gyro Gearloose, a solitary inventor outside the clan, to whom his lineage has always been close. In fact, his grandfather Ratchet already collaborated with the young Scrooge, while his grandchildren Newton and Giggy still maintain good relations with HDL today." Not sure if it's meant to say that Gyro is a relative or not, but it's saying that Newton and Giggy are two separate characters!
Bizarrely, there's a mention of "the countless ancestors of the Spanish branch...", not sure what's being referred to there. Everyone else mentioned in the chapter or seen in the tree is accounted for. Worth noting that the tree itself can be ignored = it has AMJ on it but not Daisy, and its placements are very confusing.
Interesting note - the parody of 'Whistler's Mother' featuring Donald's mother was one I had slight doubts about previously. To my knowledge, it's not actually given that designation - however, this book actually features the painting, and indeed: "In the central one, perhaps the only depiction of Donald Duck's mother: Don's Whistling Mother". So that's that given a concrete confirmation!
There's a lot more in the book, but my head is melted at this stage - I think that's everything of relevance, but I'll have to recheck later.
Any questions or the like, feel free to ask!
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"Finally, relatives with more gallinaceous features belong to a secondary branch of the family, those whose hooked beak curves and hardens downwards, like Gyro Gearloose, a solitary inventor outside the clan, to whom his lineage has always been close. In fact, his grandfather Ratchet already collaborated with the young Scrooge, while his grandchildren Newton and Giggy still maintain good relations with HDL today." Not sure if it's meant to say that Gyro is a relative or not, but it's saying that Newton and Giggy are two separate characters!
The article Qit/CTS 9M also seems to consider Newton and Giggy two different characters.
Talking about these articles, the article Qit/CTS 16K seems to say that Paper Hoog from the Le storie della Baia series is an ancestor of Fethry.
Furthermore, the article Qit/CTS 25K mentions various ancestors of Rockerduck, some of which we have already on the tree, but there is also mentioned Roquer de Conquibus (I presume from I TL 754-A) and Rockerdusis from Ancient Egypt (I think from I TL 1256-A).
Qit/CTS 27K refers to Messer Ciccio as an ancestor of Gus Goose, who is I think the squire of Paperino il Paladino. Also mentioned is another ancestor, but I don't think that one counts, as it refers to W SG 55-03, which is not an Italian story.
"Finally, relatives with more gallinaceous features belong to a secondary branch of the family, those whose hooked beak curves and hardens downwards, like Gyro Gearloose, a solitary inventor outside the clan, to whom his lineage has always been close. In fact, his grandfather Ratchet already collaborated with the young Scrooge, while his grandchildren Newton and Giggy still maintain good relations with HDL today." Not sure if it's meant to say that Gyro is a relative or not, but it's saying that Newton and Giggy are two separate characters!
The article Qit/CTS 9M also seems to consider Newton and Giggy two different characters.
Talking about these articles, the article Qit/CTS 16K seems to say that Paper Hoog from the Le storie della Baia series is an ancestor of Fethry.
Furthermore, the article Qit/CTS 25K mentions various ancestors of Rockerduck, some of which we have already on the tree, but there is also mentioned Roquer de Conquibus (I presume from I TL 754-A) and Rockerdusis from Ancient Egypt (I think from I TL 1256-A).
Qit/CTS 27K refers to Messer Ciccio as an ancestor of Gus Goose, who is I think the squire of Paperino il Paladino. Also mentioned is another ancestor, but I don't think that one counts, as it refers to W SG 55-03, which is not an Italian story.
Fascinating. Is it worth, then, splitting Newton and Giggy into two characters? Both articles are Italian, but then, Newton first appeared in Foreign Market Stories... but then, I thought to verify something. In 'Giggy's' first appearance, his Italian name is Einstein. In Newton's first appearance, his Italian name is Newton. Maybe they are separate characters?!
Roquere de Conquibus is indeed from I TL 754-A. He wasn't marked as an ancestor in the Opera Omnia book, but I'm happy to accept this as a source
I'd agree that Messer Ciccio (Indeed the one from Paperino il Paladino) counts, and yes, I think it would be best, at least for now, to exclude the stories featuring the other ancestor
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Fascinating. Is it worth, then, splitting Newton and Giggy into two characters? Both articles are Italian, but then, Newton first appeared in Foreign Market Stories... but then, I thought to verify something. In 'Giggy's' first appearance, his Italian name is Einstein. In Newton's first appearance, his Italian name is Newton. Maybe they are separate characters?!
I don't know. What is actually the source for that Newton and Giggy are the same character? I know that Giggy is listed on INDUCKS as the same one as Newton, but is there any published source or official statement about it? Or is it just an assumption due to similar appearance and both being nephews of Gyro?
And where is he actually called Giggy/Einstein? I know of W JW 46-02, but is there any other?
Fascinating. Is it worth, then, splitting Newton and Giggy into two characters? Both articles are Italian, but then, Newton first appeared in Foreign Market Stories... but then, I thought to verify something. In 'Giggy's' first appearance, his Italian name is Einstein. In Newton's first appearance, his Italian name is Newton. Maybe they are separate characters?!
I don't know. What is actually the source for that Newton and Giggy are the same character? I know that Giggy is listed on INDUCKS as the same one as Newton, but is there any published source or official statement about it? Or is it just an assumption due to similar appearance and both being nephews of Gyro?
And where is he actually called Giggy/Einstein? I know of W JW 46-02, but is there any other?
I have always considered (and still I do) them as separate characters. Also, Giggy is named Gearloose, but Newton has never had a surname in English, as far as I know. He is "Pitagorico" in the recent Italian stories tho. Boschi wrote both Paperina e le altre and the Gyro page, but he also said Newton and Giggy are the same character in this interview.
Anyway, weird that he put Cyril as Scrooge's brother.
Fascinating. Is it worth, then, splitting Newton and Giggy into two characters? Both articles are Italian, but then, Newton first appeared in Foreign Market Stories... but then, I thought to verify something. In 'Giggy's' first appearance, his Italian name is Einstein. In Newton's first appearance, his Italian name is Newton. Maybe they are separate characters?!
I don't know. What is actually the source for that Newton and Giggy are the same character? I know that Giggy is listed on INDUCKS as the same one as Newton, but is there any published source or official statement about it? Or is it just an assumption due to similar appearance and both being nephews of Gyro?
And where is he actually called Giggy/Einstein? I know of W JW 46-02, but is there any other?
This is certainly an interesting discovery! Maybe it has just been an assumption thus far?
I only know of W JW 46-02 myself, but 'Giggy' looks a lot different to Newton, mainly based on the size and shape of his head. He also wears glasses that are massive and thick, compared to the ones that Newton wears.
In his first appearance in S 65025, he's known in Italian as 'Newton'. His first appearance in English is as Newton in W MM 107-05. Sadly can't confirm his Italian name. I can't confirm in Italian, but for his English appearance, every single one (Except for W US 67-04, in which the nephew goes unnamed) up to W JW 46-02 has him named as Newton. I don't know how many of his earlier Italian appearances list him as 'Newton', so I can't verify for sure that 'Einstein' is an outlier. I've seen several Brazilian issues where he's referred to as 'Pascoal', so if we could get a Brazilian copy of W JW 46-02, we could possibly get more info there?
It's also worth noting that the writer for W JW 46-02 is unknown - the artist is Kay Wright. This is the first comic in which Kay Wright is credited with drawing Giggy/Newton. The only other one that they're credited with doing the art for is titled 'Newton's Way' and has him referred to as Newton, looking much more in-line with his usual head shape and glasses.
I can't speak for any articles and what they may suggest, but I'm genuinely starting to think they're separate characters. I mean, compare (by the same artist) Giggy and Newton:
It's definitely worth rethinking - we now have two sources referring to them as separate characters, too.
Last Edit: Sept 18, 2023 8:02:00 GMT by alquackskey
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His first appearance in English is as Newton in W MM 107-05. Sadly can't confirm his Italian name.
Here ya go. "Newton" there too.
Considering "Giggy" appeared in an American-made story first published in 1977, 10 years after the previous American-made Newton story, my guess is that whoever wrote it simply didn't know the Newton character existed. Then Giggy got immediately retired after someone at Western pointed out that this "new character" has actually existed for 12 years, he just hadn't been used much recently.
I don't know. What is actually the source for that Newton and Giggy are the same character? I know that Giggy is listed on INDUCKS as the same one as Newton, but is there any published source or official statement about it? Or is it just an assumption due to similar appearance and both being nephews of Gyro?
And where is he actually called Giggy/Einstein? I know of W JW 46-02, but is there any other?
I have always considered (and still I do) them as separate characters. Also, Giggy is named Gearloose, but Newton has never had a surname in English, as far as I know. He is "Pitagorico" in the recent Italian stories tho. Boschi wrote both Paperina e le altre and the Gyro page, but he also said Newton and Giggy are the same character in this interview.
Anyway, weird that he put Cyril as Scrooge's brother.
I think you're right, actually - I'm not aware of Newton being called 'Newton Gearloose', though I haven't read every US comic featuring him. I even remember one comic (His first US appearance in Mickey Mouse 107) where he's referred to as "Gyro Gearloose's nephew Newton" - no surname, to my memory.
Regarding Boschi, that brings up an interesting point - we've accepted external material before, but how do we stand on an author retconning certain information? I think it's worth noting, in this case at least, that Paperina e le Altre has an in-universe basis in that Daisy is writing it (Although the perspective often switches between Daisy and a narrator giving Daisy's opinions). Should that take precedence because it's actually happening in a comic? Or should the interview take precedence because it's more recent, and reflects Boschi's current intentions, which would override what he wrote previously? It's somewhat odd territory to begin with, as Boschi didn't create Giggy - but then, we don't actually know who did. Boschi is the only one I'm aware of that has made concrete statements regarding Giggy, so we kind of have to go on his word until we know more.
Personally, I'd agree with you - it makes more sense for them to be separate characters.
Separate note, my German books arrived today, so I can confirm the following (Note that I don't speak German and may have misunderstood some details):
G 1635: It opens with Scrooge mentioning 'Blasius', who unexpectedly left him a house in Trieste. If there's any doubt, Scrooge confirms his death, as he brings up a treasure that was mentioned in his will. The boys have a discussion: "Uncle Blasius is said to have been the biggest gourmet in the family" - "That's why he went to Italy..." - "...emigrated. He knew where it tasted good" That's all of relevance in the story. So we have Uncle Blasius, who moved to Italy and was a foodie, whose treasure consisted of recipes that only he knew. Scrooge ends up naming a restaurant after him and making the recipes so he can profit from them. The exact relation is unspecified - given the fact that HDL refer to him as 'Uncle Blasius' multiple times, I'd hazard a guess that he's either Scrooge's or Donald's generation. Scrooge just refers to him as 'the good Blasius', which makes me think that he was probably in Scrooge's generation. Blasius is not pictured.
G 1648: Scrooge explains that he is the sole heir to the last of the McPennysafers - apparently Donald isn't eligible. They all make gags about Donald being in a bad mood, and Scrooge says Donald's just mad because he's not the sole heir. After they arrive in Scotland, they get the bus to their destination, and Scrooge notes that he doesn't see a castle - just a dilapidated little house. Donald says "Das also ist der herrschaftliche Wohnsitz deines reichen Onkels" - "So this is your rich uncle's stately home".
Side-note, whoever decided to put cursive in a Mini-Comic is actually evil Forgive any mistranslations that come as a result The relation is clarified soon after - a letter was left to Scrooge, addressed "Für meinen GroßNeffen und Alleinerben, Dagobert Duck" - so Scrooge is his great nephew, and reaffirmed as his sole heir. A little odd, but nothing we're not used to at this stage The letter reads: "Lieber Dagobert, unsere Familie verarmte, als meinen Großvater im Jahre 1885 sein ganzes Vermogen in die Trainway & Omnibus Company investiert. Die Gesellschaft machte Bankrott und Großvater enhielt his seine Aktien now leine symbolische Abfindung, einen Gegenstand ohne praktischen Wert..." - "Dear Scrooge, Our family became impoverished when my grandfather invested his entire fortune in the Trainway & Omnibus Company in 1885. The company went bankrupt and grandfather now received his shares as a symbolic compensation, an item of no practical value...". The object turns out to be an old tram. The rest of the story is Scrooge's attempts to make money with it, so not relevant to the tree. So we have the last of the McPennysafers, Scrooge's great-uncle. We also get mention of Mcpennysafer's unnamed grandfather.
Neither are pictured.
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I think you're right, actually - I'm not aware of Newton being called 'Newton Gearloose', though I haven't read every US comic featuring him. I even remember one comic (His first US appearance in Mickey Mouse 107) where he's referred to as "Gyro Gearloose's nephew Newton" - no surname, to my memory.
Regarding Boschi, that brings up an interesting point - we've accepted external material before, but how do we stand on an author retconning certain information? I think it's worth noting, in this case at least, that Paperina e le Altre has an in-universe basis in that Daisy is writing it (Although the perspective often switches between Daisy and a narrator giving Daisy's opinions). Should that take precedence because it's actually happening in a comic? Or should the interview take precedence because it's more recent, and reflects Boschi's current intentions, which would override what he wrote previously? It's somewhat odd territory to begin with, as Boschi didn't create Giggy - but then, we don't actually know who did. Boschi is the only one I'm aware of that has made concrete statements regarding Giggy, so we kind of have to go on his word until we know more.
Personally, I'd agree with you - it makes more sense for them to be separate characters.
I don't think the interview should take precedence over what has been published. Interviews or online posts by authors can be used as a source, but I think only where it doesn't directly contradict published comics/articles, otherwise we usually follow what is published, not the opinion of an author. If there would be other, actually published articles that state that Giggy and Newton are the same character, then we may want to follow that, but if there are not, then I think we would be fine with considering them separate characters.
So, should Giggy then be the son of an unknown brother of Gyro; at the position we previously had Newton, before Newton was moved to become Galileo's son?
Separate note, my German books arrived today, so I can confirm the following (Note that I don't speak German and may have misunderstood some details):
That's great! The list with missing stories is getting smaller again. I'm wondering how many of the duck relatives are actually still missing. It couldn't be that many anymore, I suppose. Most ones we still miss are probably from more obscure stories that have only been published ones in only one language.
I think you're right, actually - I'm not aware of Newton being called 'Newton Gearloose', though I haven't read every US comic featuring him. I even remember one comic (His first US appearance in Mickey Mouse 107) where he's referred to as "Gyro Gearloose's nephew Newton" - no surname, to my memory.
Regarding Boschi, that brings up an interesting point - we've accepted external material before, but how do we stand on an author retconning certain information? I think it's worth noting, in this case at least, that Paperina e le Altre has an in-universe basis in that Daisy is writing it (Although the perspective often switches between Daisy and a narrator giving Daisy's opinions). Should that take precedence because it's actually happening in a comic? Or should the interview take precedence because it's more recent, and reflects Boschi's current intentions, which would override what he wrote previously? It's somewhat odd territory to begin with, as Boschi didn't create Giggy - but then, we don't actually know who did. Boschi is the only one I'm aware of that has made concrete statements regarding Giggy, so we kind of have to go on his word until we know more.
Personally, I'd agree with you - it makes more sense for them to be separate characters.
I don't think the interview should take precedence over what has been published. Interviews or online posts by authors can be used as a source, but I think only where it doesn't directly contradict published comics/articles, otherwise we usually follow what is published, not the opinion of an author. If there would be other, actually published articles that state that Giggy and Newton are the same character, then we may want to follow that, but if there are not, then I think we would be fine with considering them separate characters.
So, should Giggy then be the son of an unknown brother of Gyro; at the position we previously had Newton, before Newton was moved to become Galileo's son?
Separate note, my German books arrived today, so I can confirm the following (Note that I don't speak German and may have misunderstood some details):
That's great! The list with missing stories is getting smaller again. I'm wondering how many of the duck relatives are actually still missing. It couldn't be that many anymore, I suppose. Most ones we still miss are probably from more obscure stories that have only been published ones in only one language.
That sounds about right to me - they're valid as a source, but only when they don't contradict what's written down That also seems like a reasonable placement for Giggy
Sorry if it's not quite the right thread, but I just noticed Gladstone's father appeared last year in a Dutch story (that takes place in the present, no less). Anyone have access to this one and could maybe show how he's being portrayed in it?