Sorry if it's not quite the right thread, but I just noticed Gladstone's father appeared last year in a Dutch story (that takes place in the present, no less). Anyone have access to this one and could maybe show how he's being portrayed in it?
It was brought up previously, but I actually think you have a solid point - personally, how they're depicted in actual stories should take precedence over the likes of Trees and such
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Sorry if it's not quite the right thread, but I just noticed Gladstone's father appeared last year in a Dutch story (that takes place in the present, no less). Anyone have access to this one and could maybe show how he's being portrayed in it?
Sorry if it's not quite the right thread, but I just noticed Gladstone's father appeared last year in a Dutch story (that takes place in the present, no less). Anyone have access to this one and could maybe show how he's being portrayed in it?
I wonder if the choice to make him a military man was inspired in any way by the German translation of the family tree back in '95 giving him the title of a general for no apparent reason. Seems like a pretty big coincidence if not.
I wonder if the choice to make him a military man was inspired in any way by the German translation of the family tree back in '95 giving him the title of a general for no apparent reason. Seems like a pretty big coincidence if not.
"I didn't think it would be funny to have Gladstone's father just be an older carbon-copy of Gladstone himself, or 'even luckier than him, bla bla'. I thought it would be way funnier to make him a drill sergeant, obsessed with discipline and hard work. I sorta took my inspiration from the Zeke Wolf stories, where the father and son are polar opposites, too."
I agree with him. The default is to make a parent (or other previously unseen relative) either a carbon copy or the polar opposite of the child in question, so I'm glad there's an official use of one of Rosa's characters initially just used to fill up the family tree that went in a different direction.
Another thing I didn't catch in the shuffle: what sources say the Ducks are related to Magica, Madame Mim, and, uhh, Phyllis Diller exactly?
There are basically two sources that relate Madam Mim to the Duck family.
In S 67037 it is implied that Madam Mim is a cousin of Cleopatra; and we know from the Storia e gloria della dinastia dei paperi series (I TL 751-A) that Cleopatra is the great-granddaughter of Cleopat-Perina, who is the niece of Scrooge's ancestor Pah-Peh-Rheo (Petronius Paperonius).
And there is B 860125, in which Madam Mim says that Daisy's prehistoric ancestor Donalgorg is also her ancestor.
Phyllis Diller says in Spooks and Magic that Madam Mim is her aunt. In that same live-action special, Medusa is also an aunt of Pyllis Diller.
Magica is not on the tree at the moment, and as far is I know we don't have any sources that say that she is related.
Another thing I didn't catch in the shuffle: what sources say the Ducks are related to Magica, Madame Mim, and, uhh, Phyllis Diller exactly?
There are basically two sources that relate Madam Mim to the Duck family.
In S 67037 it is implied that Madam Mim is a cousin of Cleopatra; and we know from the Storia e gloria della dinastia dei paperi series (I TL 751-A) that Cleopatra is the great-granddaughter of Cleopat-Perina, who is the niece of Scrooge's ancestor Pah-Peh-Rheo (Petronius Paperonius).
And there is B 860125, in which Madam Mim says that Daisy's prehistoric ancestor Donalgorg is also her ancestor.
Phyllis Diller says in Spooks and Magic that Madam Mim is her aunt. In that same live-action special, Medusa is also an aunt of Pyllis Diller.
Magica is not on the tree at the moment, and as far is I know we don't have any sources that say that she is related.
Another thing I didn't catch in the shuffle: what sources say the Ducks are related to Magica, Madame Mim, and, uhh, Phyllis Diller exactly?
There are basically two sources that relate Madam Mim to the Duck family.
In S 67037 it is implied that Madam Mim is a cousin of Cleopatra; and we know from the Storia e gloria della dinastia dei paperi series (I TL 751-A) that Cleopatra is the great-granddaughter of Cleopat-Perina, who is the niece of Scrooge's ancestor Pah-Peh-Rheo (Petronius Paperonius).
And there is B 860125, in which Madam Mim says that Daisy's prehistoric ancestor Donalgorg is also her ancestor.
Phyllis Diller says in Spooks and Magic that Madam Mim is her aunt. In that same live-action special, Medusa is also an aunt of Pyllis Diller.
Magica is not on the tree at the moment, and as far is I know we don't have any sources that say that she is related.
Would we even be surprised at this point? We have Daisy's family, Brigitta's, Glomgold's, Rockerducks, Gyro's, Madam Mim's... nothing would surprise me any more
Honestly, I'm more surprised that, outside of adoptive relatives, we haven't got a relation to Magica or the Beagle Boys! Though, uh... Magica may be manageable, but please no Beagle relations, that would be a nightmare
Side-note, I'm working away at the Daffy tree for sources, hence why I'm not caught up on indexing yet - I'm still keeping an eye on things, just a little slow as I search for the last few sources needed on that one If an update ends up ready or needed in the meantime, I can hold out 'til then - I'm currently devoting my resources into tracking things down on that front
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Honestly, I'm more surprised that, outside of adoptive relatives, we haven't got a relation to Magica or the Beagle Boys! Though, uh... Magica may be manageable, but please no Beagle relations, that would be a nightmare
It's indeed a little surprising, especially for Magica, that we didn't find any family connection to the Duck family yet.
As for the Beagle Boys, that would indeed be a nightmare, especially with all those numbers, and considering that just in W BB 23-01 there are already 846 relatives of the Beagle Boys.
Side-note, I'm working away at the Daffy tree for sources, hence why I'm not caught up on indexing yet - I'm still keeping an eye on things, just a little slow as I search for the last few sources needed on that one If an update ends up ready or needed in the meantime, I can hold out 'til then - I'm currently devoting my resources into tracking things down on that front
Just take your time, there is no need to hurry. Moreover, if we want to add Daffy and his relatives to the Duck family tree with the new update, it's best to have Daffy's own relatives clarified first.
I'm curious about I TL 2135-5; what's the context around it? As in, why is Ludwig just randomly hanging out with Magica, Mim and Hazel? And is there a reason he knows about their ancestors or is it just a "Yeah, Ludwig just knows everyone's genealogy" deal again?
And I take it that there's nothing relating Black Spot to the Phantom Blot? I know the story was mentioned in an article, which I'm trying to track down (Found out about the Disney Collection series and I am in love ) where there might be further info
Also, minor side-note; only missing Daffy Duck #38 on my side now, so once I've gotten that sorted I'll be back to updating
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I'm curious about I TL 2135-5; what's the context around it? As in, why is Ludwig just randomly hanging out with Magica, Mim and Hazel? And is there a reason he knows about their ancestors or is it just a "Yeah, Ludwig just knows everyone's genealogy" deal again?
And I take it that there's nothing relating Black Spot to the Phantom Blot? I know the story was mentioned in an article, which I'm trying to track down (Found out about the Disney Collection series and I am in love ) where there might be further info
Also, minor side-note; only missing Daffy Duck #38 on my side now, so once I've gotten that sorted I'll be back to updating
On behalf of the university, Ludwig is visiting a town (Stregon City), that is full of witches, wizards and other magical beings, to write a report about it. There he meets Mim, Magica and Hazel, who are feeling depressed, because they are each time failing in what they want to achieve. Ludwig decides to cheer them up by telling them about their ancestors, who were succesful.
So, yeah, Ludwig just happens to know about their ancestors, without any reason given why. Confirmed are the three ancestors of Mim, Magica and Hazel. In the story Ludwig tells them about, there are some look-a-likes (phantom blot, Scrooge, Donald, HDL, Goofy), but none of them are confirmed to be ancestors. There might of course be an article about it in which they are confirmed to be ancestors, but I haven't seen it.
By the way, the stories of these ancestors are said to take place in the 1600s. Which is a bit problematic, because it means that Mim's ancestor married (and so would get descendants) long after Mim herself was born... I don't know how to make this consistent, maybe there is some time travel involved?
I'm curious about I TL 2135-5; what's the context around it? As in, why is Ludwig just randomly hanging out with Magica, Mim and Hazel? And is there a reason he knows about their ancestors or is it just a "Yeah, Ludwig just knows everyone's genealogy" deal again?
And I take it that there's nothing relating Black Spot to the Phantom Blot? I know the story was mentioned in an article, which I'm trying to track down (Found out about the Disney Collection series and I am in love ) where there might be further info
Also, minor side-note; only missing Daffy Duck #38 on my side now, so once I've gotten that sorted I'll be back to updating
On behalf of the university, Ludwig is visiting a town (Stregon City), that is full of witches, wizards and other magical beings, to write a report about it. There he meets Mim, Magica and Hazel, who are feeling depressed, because they are each time failing in what they want to achieve. Ludwig decides to cheer them up by telling them about their ancestors, who were succesful.
So, yeah, Ludwig just happens to know about their ancestors, without any reason given why. Confirmed are the three ancestors of Mim, Magica and Hazel. In the story Ludwig tells them about, there are some look-a-likes (phantom blot, Scrooge, Donald, HDL, Goofy), but none of them are confirmed to be ancestors. There might of course be an article about it in which they are confirmed to be ancestors, but I haven't seen it.
By the way, the stories of these ancestors are said to take place in the 1600s. Which is a bit problematic, because it means that Mim's ancestor married (and so would get descendants) long after Mim herself was born... I don't know how to make this consistent, maybe there is some time travel involved?
Ah, that makes sense - honestly I love the idea that someone mentions distant ancestors and Ludwig just crops up like "YEAH LEMME TELL YOU ABOUT DAT"
From what I see on INDUCKS, there's only one article that mentions the story - I'm trying to track it down. Sadly, as the article is about Hazel, it's very unlikely to confirm the status of Black Spot. Still want it because the associated statue is a need, so if I find it I'll update here
With Mim, that's a very strange one; on the one hand, I could see some authors not knowing what others have written, fair enough. But Mim is from The Sword in the Stone, which obviously takes place long before the 16th century. As such, her having an ancestor from the 1500s makes no sense. It seems very odd that they so blatantly contradicted the source material for her. The only way I can think of to make it work in-universe is to assume a mistake on Ludwig's part. Here's my theory on how it works: Ludwig is studying magical beings for his report, and comes across info on Maga Magonza. In his studies, he finds out that she's connected to Mim (Either through a shared relative or just through some kind of surface-level research). Ludwig, in this scenario, is unaware of Mim's origins. As such, his mind says that Magonza lived in the 1600s, while Mim is still alive - ergo, it only makes sense that Mim is a descendant of Magonza. This explanation does take a few liberties, but it's coherent, at least As for why Mim didn't call him out on it... she didn't want to give Hazel and Magica the opportunity to start calling her old
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