Post by mkr on Apr 22, 2024 20:42:18 GMT
Apr 21, 2024 23:16:17 GMT sim said:
I personally know the author of D/D 2000-024 and, when the latter story was published here in Italy, I asked myself the same thing. However, Artibani's story takes place in 1540 (way before Faccioli's) and Tiburon is the name of the brown bird with bold eyebrow (no connection to the Duck family). In the same story, Quantum calls Gyro "pro-pro-prozio" (great-great-granduncle), but -of course- that would be technically impossible (unless Gyro or one of his closer descendants travelled to the future and lived there).If you like reading stories that takes place in the future, you might want to check D 2023-034 out (if you haven't yet). It's set 50 years in the future... pretty curious.
Yes, that would pretty thoroughly rule out that connection - I figured it was a long shot anyway, especially since the writers were different. Still, a part of me was hopeful that Artibani may have taken the concept and reworked it for XPW TMA 1. It's a shame that that's not the case, but I appreciate having a definitive answer
Regarding the link with Quantum, that's a fair point - I was just under the impression that he deliberately cut the amount of 'pros' short. That being said, I suppose there's nothing indicating that in the story itself. I'd still say that would be the best solution to go with, though - while there is precedent for time travel hijinx or somehow increased longevity, I'd go with Occam's Razor and just assume that he said 'great-great-granduncle' as a shorthand for 'great-great...-granduncle'.
Unless, of course, there's anything in the XPW TMA stories that would suggest otherwise - they're currently pretty inaccessible for me, sadly.
In XPW TMA 8, a different number of pro's is used (4 times instead of 3). See here.
So, I would indeed assume that we shouldn't take the number of pro's literally.
Quantum Pitagorico's name is mentioned in XPW TMA 5. See here.
(You're Scrooge McDuck's favorite nephew! You should be proud to belong to my lineage, to be the feathers of my feathers!)
Like seemingly every tree seen in the stories, this one is somewhat nonsensical. There are no names given, and the actual connections seem to be little more than characters randomly slapped on in random spots.
Position doesn't indicate age, as Donald is above Huey, Dewey and Louie, who are above Grandma Duck, who is above Daisy.
Relation doesn't seem to be indicated by specific branches - or if it is, I can't make any sense of how it's done.
Still, danoduck is correct in that there are definitely a few relatives on this who are seemingly new:
We can clearly identify Donald at the top, Fethry and Gladstone immediately below him, HDL to their left, Grandma Duck on the next row, what appears to be Gus Goose beside her and Daisy at the start of the next row.
I believe, though am uncertain, that the one in the bottom right is supposed to be Scrooge. The beak doesn't match his bill, but they do have his whiskers - and since Scrooge brings up the tree referring to Donald's relation to him, it would only make sense that Scrooge is actually on the tree.
That leaves us with:
The duck with the small bow in the top right
The pretty plain duck below Grandma Duck.
The lumpy-headed, seemingly three-eyed duck below Gus.
The duck with the capotain(?) below Daisy.
They beg a few questions:
Are any of these meant to be existing characters that were not previously identified as relatives, akin to Gyro in older stories?
How far back does it go? Generations clearly mean nothing on the tree itself, so should we assume that they're all somewhere between HDL's generation and Scrooge/Grandma's?
How much liberty can we take if we assume them to be other characters? Assuming the bottom-right character is Scrooge, details like beaks can be wrong and glasses can be missing.
Regardless of how this is answered, great find, danoduck!
EDIT: There's a second panel in which the tree is visible
(Be smart, Donald! I can cross your name off the family organization chart!)
(You know what, Uncle? Be my guest!)
As one can see, it's not entirely consistent with the first panel. Scrooge notes that he can cross Donald off, but I'd take that as little more than a gag - yes, technically it implies he could have drawn the links to certain characters, but there's no reason to assume that it's not factual.
How much we take from this panel depends on how much you attribute to artistic license - I'd assume that blond duck is supposed to be Gladstone, but he's higher up on the first panel. It also shouldn't be Grandma, as she's on the left side, not the right.
You could assume it to be either one of them or a new character - if a new one, it further implies the duck beside them to be new, too. It's also technically possible that the blond duck is three-eyed lumpy head, now unobscured.
Then, there are one or two more at the bottom - the one on the right is definitely new. It's possible there's another under Scrooge's thumb, but looking at placements, that may just be Scrooge himself.
So, basically, this panel introduces:
Two new ducks, no discernible features.
Possibly one new blond duck, who could also be Gladstone or Grandma misplaced.
Though the beak is a bit wrong, it's I think reasonable to identify that one on the bottom right as Scrooge.
As for the differences between the trees from the two panels, I would assume (for the sake of simplicity) that these differences should be attributed to some artistic freedom, and not bother too much about it.
As for who then the two unidentified ducks with no discernable features are, I have no idea. But if I would need to assign them, I would say they are the same ones as the two unidentified silhouettes (most left and most right) from W DD 179-01.