Jones isn't in our tree, is he? I saw a comic with his sister and nephews/nieces today.
No, which is... honestly very surprising to me. Surely there's a comic out there where these two find out they're related and moan about how they have nothing in common? I'd say it's definitely worth keeping note of them, at least - which comic was this?
No, which is... honestly very surprising to me. Surely there's a comic out there where these two find out they're related and moan about how they have nothing in common? I'd say it's definitely worth keeping note of them, at least - which comic was this?
HD 2021-364.
I guess you're joking—but why? "HD 2021-364" is neither a story code nor an issue number; H 2021-364 is José Carioca story, D 2021-364 either doesn't exist or hasn't been published yet, and DD 2021-364 isn't an issue number that could exist.
(If you're sarcastically poking fun at the idea that Donald could be related to Jones, I'd have done the same five years ago—but in a world where our family tree includes Madam Mim, Daffy Duck, and the Loch Ness Monster...)
No, which is... honestly very surprising to me. Surely there's a comic out there where these two find out they're related and moan about how they have nothing in common? I'd say it's definitely worth keeping note of them, at least - which comic was this?
HD 2021-364.
I tried to find this one but couldn't track it down - possibly a typo? Either that or the printed code might not match the written one
I guess you're joking—but why? "HD 2021-364" is neither a story code nor an issue number; H 2021-364 is José Carioca story, D 2021-364 either doesn't exist or hasn't been published yet, and DD 2021-364 isn't an issue number that could exist.
(If you're sarcastically poking fun at the idea that Donald could be related to Jones, I'd have done the same five years ago—but in a world where our family tree includes Madam Mim, Daffy Duck, and the Loch Ness Monster...)
Oh, don't forget Medusa! And, uh... well, next update's taking a while for a reason It'll be something, that's for sure
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I guess you're joking—but why? "HD 2021-364" is neither a story code nor an issue number; H 2021-364 is José Carioca story, D 2021-364 either doesn't exist or hasn't been published yet, and DD 2021-364 isn't an issue number that could exist.
(If you're sarcastically poking fun at the idea that Donald could be related to Jones, I'd have done the same five years ago—but in a world where our family tree includes Madam Mim, Daffy Duck, and the Loch Ness Monster...)
I knew I should've waited until tomorrow to post this...
The HD file is temporarily unavailable due to a bug I inserted into the code while updating yesterday. I've identified and removed the bug, and the whole file should be available again after tonight's update (I hope!).
HD codes were introduced in 2021, when the Dutch newspaper AD began publishing daily newspaper strips featuring Donald Duck. Currently they're still missing character appearances, which is what I was trying to fix when I broke the code...
Cataloging pets would be interesting and a worthy topic for its own thread, but since it's not related to the ducks' genealogy I don't think it belongs on the family tree.
Cataloging pets would be interesting and a worthy topic for its own thread, but since it's not related to the ducks' genealogy I don't think it belongs on the family tree.
Well, if we carry things much further, we might actually risk discovering that Donald IS related to Bolivar AND Tabby... somehow...
As LP mentions, it's not really a 'genealogy' subject. Yes, we have gotten into more vague territory, but ultimately, it's still going by the more literal concept of family. Though the definition has been loosened a bit, I think that pets are a bit too vague.
Cataloging pets would be interesting and a worthy topic for its own thread, but since it's not related to the ducks' genealogy I don't think it belongs on the family tree.
Agreed - it also begs the question of what counts as a pet. Like, we have some clear-cut candidates, of course, but there are lots of one-offs that are treated as pets but then never appear again. If people like and are willing to share ones they're aware of, I'd be willing to document it on the index? It's not something I'll actively be searching for, but I can at least note them. I do think that discussion thereof might be better in its own thread, though - it'd be derailing this one a bit too far, I think. If such a thread is opened, I'll follow that and add relevant notes to the index here.
Cataloging pets would be interesting and a worthy topic for its own thread, but since it's not related to the ducks' genealogy I don't think it belongs on the family tree.
Well, if we carry things much further, we might actually risk discovering that Donald IS related to Bolivar AND Tabby... somehow...
I think that we should be safe enough from that; there does seem to be at least some degree of anthropomorphism that would stop that.
...Then again, I don't think we could even be surprised at this point
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Cataloging pets would be interesting and a worthy topic for its own thread, but since it's not related to the ducks' genealogy I don't think it belongs on the family tree.
Well, if we carry things much further, we might actually risk discovering that Donald IS related to Bolivar AND Tabby... somehow...
We can be pretty sure that they're related, even if the POD was several hundred million years ago. Unless Bolivar or Tabby come from another planet, which is also something I wouldn't rule out... I remember my Paul Murry Pluto stories!
Regular reminder that the earliest documented ancestor of a Disney character is the Goofy molecule, going back a few billion years!
Well, if we carry things much further, we might actually risk discovering that Donald IS related to Bolivar AND Tabby... somehow...
We can be pretty sure that they're related, even if the POD was several hundred million years ago. Unless Bolivar or Tabby come from another planet, which is also something I wouldn't rule out... I remember my Paul Murry Pluto stories!
Regular reminder that the earliest documented ancestor of a Disney character is the Goofy molecule, going back a few billion years!
I think, while you're right, the issue is that evolution is a tricky subject in this context. I've actually been trying to piece it together; it would add multiple species based on the research I've done. There's a surprising number of stories that give info on the subject.
There are two main problems on this front: One is that it's very speculative. For example, if a character is said to be a distant ancestor, their placement is speculative, but based on the concrete knowledge of them being a relative. In evolutionary discussions, it's all about reason and logic - I've got a lot of evidence for my own tree (I'll note as an aside that Disney and Looney evolution are to be kept separate since it involves multiple contradictions and is just way too much to keep track of.) but none of it links together. I can speculate where fictional dinosaurs etc fit, or divergences in species, but these are all hypothetical, potentially too much so.
Two is that... honestly speaking, it's something that, when built, could be toppled near-instantly by one bit of evidence, and a lot of the evidence is hard to track. Plus, as an aside on this, it's a bit too vague. I've been doing a lot of digging on the evolutionary process; it's abundantly clear that things didn't go the way they did here on earth, as the humanoids co-existed with dinosaurs, dragons exist in multiple different forms, all manner of different species exist... Now, I don't say that to get out of it, but it then begs the question of what needs to be tracked.
I've got logs of a fair few different species of dinosaurs - some from intuiting based on appearance, some by what they're referred to as in-story. If we start with the Goof Molecule, we're starting before 'life' as we commonly know it begins. Given the time period, do we include prehistoric plant life? Stemming, then, from that, should we have every type of flower we know in the modern day? Or, as another example, we'd be including the likes of different Ducks, Ganders and so on and so forth - if we start from so early on, would we then need every bird species?
I don't say any of this to argue, more just that, should we look into the evolution of species, it begs a lot of questions - and while I've been hard at work finding answers, I don't know if the answers are appropriate given how much speculation is involved. I'm open to returning to the idea if people would like me to, though
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maybe we should add the pets as adopted children like Donald's Kangaroo
Has that obnoxious kangaroo—subject of possibly my least favorite Donald cartoon short, DADDY DUCK—ever been reused anywhere? He made a single appearance in the strip (YD 48-07-07); but as Dewey's pet, not Donald's, and as far as I can see he only showed up once and never again. (There are later kangaroo gags, but never with the kangaroo from DADDY DUCK.)
Hi. I’ve been re-reading the stories featuring Scrooge’s cousin Douglas, and I think we need to change his placement. However, I don’t know where exactly he fits. This ended up being a rather long post about me desperately trying to figure out where to place Douglas… and then giving up. Enjoy! (and please help!)
A few years ago, I came to the conclusion that Douglas' surname must be Duck. The reasoning behind this was that his introduction story, Uncle Scrooge Visits Cousin (not published in English), has Scrooge sending a package addressed to “K. Anka” (Konrad Anka, Douglas’ Swedish name in this story). Donald assumes the package is addressed to him (his Swedish name is Kalle Anka). Therefore, it seems like this story requires that Douglas shares both the first letter of his first name as well as all of his surname with Donald. Douglas’ surname being Duck fits this requirement. Thus, we currently have Douglas' father being named Duck and his mother being a Duck.
However, in subsequent Douglas-stories, being a McDuck and living up to the McDuck-ideals are core character trait for Douglas. Every subsequent Douglas-story translated into Swedish renames the character “Dunstan von Anka” (McDuck rather than Duck) and in English he is consistently named McDuck. In A McDuck by Any Other Name, he specifically says that his “old father nagged for seven years about how a real McDuck should act”, which cements his father as a McDuck. (Worth noting is that this story also suggests that Douglas was in fact adopted, but this is irrelevant to my point.) Okay, so I guess the evidence for him being “Douglas McDuck” very much outweighs him being “Douglas Duck”. That’s fine. Now the question is who his parents (or adoptive parents (whatever)) are. I’d prefer if it were either Angus or Jake, since I’d like to mainly stick to Barks and Rosa. But both of them have problems.
My original favorite Douglas-father-option was Angus. In 1877, Scrooge was said by Fergus, Jake, and Sir Quackly’s ghost to be the last male McDuck. However, they seem to have lost contact with Angus, who had moved to Mississippi at least 20 years before. The Scottish McDucks not knowing about Douglas’ existence would explain them claiming that Scrooge was the last. It seemed to me that all we knew about Douglas’ youth was that he dug gold with Scrooge in Klondike. If he were the son of Angus, he would have been born in Mississippi and then traveled to Klondike, rather than originating from Scotland. Also, Douglas said that his “old father nagged for seven years about how a real McDuck should act”. I interpreted this as his mother divorcing Angus when Douglas was seven (circa 1874), as otherwise this nagging would go on into adulthood. Also, a divorce would explain why Angus is without a family when Scrooge meets him in 1880. It all seemed to fit very neatly.
Then I realized that, according to A McDuck by Any Other Name, grandpa Titus/Dingus McDuck talked to both Scrooge and Douglas when they were little. This means that Douglas grew up in Scotland and pretty much eliminates Angus as the father. Could Jake be the father then? Well, Douglas growing up in Scotland means that there is no reason for Fergus, Jake, and Sir Quackly’s ghost to say that Scrooge is the last male McDuck. And if Jake were Douglas’ father, he certainly wouldn’t say that Scrooge was the last.
Of course, the concept of contradictions is not a new one in the Duck universe. I’m just stuck on this one. How do you guys suggest we solve this?
Fanfiction-y, but it's not like that's not most of this sort of project anyway. I tend to assume Douglas is from a different McDuck branch, going back a couple generations behind Scrooge, not just one; and that any issues of "last of the McDucks" get kinda solved by imagining there was a grudge between the branches, and thus the Scrooge branch not seeing them as real McDucks for some reason.
In other words, I'd have Douglas' father be a cousin of Fergus, not a brother.
maybe we should add the pets as adopted children like Donald's Kangaroo
Has that obnoxious kangaroo—subject of possibly my least favorite Donald cartoon short, DADDY DUCK—ever been reused anywhere? He made a single appearance in the strip (YD 48-07-07); but as Dewey's pet, not Donald's, and as far as I can see he only showed up once and never again. (There are later kangaroo gags, but never with the kangaroo from DADDY DUCK.)
Donald adopts a kangaroo in The Little Stranger (1951) as well, thus becoming his "father". This story shares a few scenes (yet revisited) with the cartoon (the adoption part and the bath part) but it's noteworthy because of the presence the nephews, who have a very sadistic and "violent" behavior towards the baby kangaroo, which is kind of disturbing actually.
