Do we have H 29440 yet? Gyro gives Little Helper a family for his birthday party: a Bulby Gus, Grandma, Donald, Daisy, Scrooge, Huey, Dewey, and Louie.
Do you have scans of the family? I wasn't aware of this story, but that sounds absolutely amazing
I just rewatched the final episode of Ducktales 2017 and i noted that Donald says at Daisy if they can bring May and June with them, so, would this mean that they adopted them ?
I know this is a popular sentiment, but it's honestly hard to figure out what was going on there. It's a logical conclusion, but with not much supporting it - did Angones ever say anything about it?
It was hinted that they were going to be raised by them, it didn't mention that they were going to be adopted. Donald and Daisy had only been dating for a short time, I have no idea why Donald would want to bring them with him and Daisy.
It's put rather confusingly - I'm not necessarily against this inference, though. Considering how loosely the finale uses the term 'family', it's hard to gauge.
Beside this, we 're going to add Lena and Violet's family in the next update right?
Do you have scans of the family? I wasn't aware of this story, but that sounds absolutely amazing
I know this is a popular sentiment, but it's honestly hard to figure out what was going on there. It's a logical conclusion, but with not much supporting it - did Angones ever say anything about it?
It's put rather confusingly - I'm not necessarily against this inference, though. Considering how loosely the finale uses the term 'family', it's hard to gauge.
Beside this, we 're going to add Lena and Violet's family in the next update right?
That would best fit to add them, given that Lena is Magica's "niece" or creation. I would add Lena as adopted by Violet's family. This could also apply to BOYD, he was created by Gyro Gearloose, but was later adopted by Doofus Drake's family, as his "brother". BOYD also was the temporary "son" of Mark Beaks, and the "brother" of Gyro's Helper.
Beside this, we 're going to add Lena and Violet's family in the next update right?
That would best fit to add them, given that Lena is Magica's "niece" or creation. I would add Lena as adopted by Violet's family. This could also apply to BOYD, he was created by Gyro Gearloose, but was later adopted by Doofus Drake's family, as his "brother". BOYD also was the temporary "son" of Mark Beaks, and the "brother" of Gyro's Helper.
Lena is going down as a clone of Magica, due to how she was created. Violet, Ty and Indy are indeed being added as her adoptive family.
BOYD is a trickier one - currently, he's going down in the robot index that I'm working on - there may be room to add him later, but that would best be discussed for a later update as the current one is fit to be massive
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Ludwig Von Drake's relationship to the Duck Family
Ludwig Von Drake is a relative (an uncle) to Donald Duck, but how? Here are the three possibilities, and I will state my opinion.
Ludwig was a brother to Donald's father, being Donald's paternal uncle. This was Walt Disney's explanation to how Ludwig was Donald's uncle, and he further stated that the Von Drakes were the "eggheads of the clan". Now obviously Donald's father's name was Quackmore Duck, and this doesn't explain why they have different last names. Although according to a an old radio show, Donald's father left his mother, and Donald took his mother's maiden name Duck. But still this doesn't line up with most Disney media, as Quackmore was a major player in Donald's early childhood, and was present. There is also a problem with Donald's mother's maiden name, this was established be McDuck, all the way back in the early 1950s. However Ludwig could be the half-brother of Quackmore, if Humperdink married a woman, and had a child (or more) in Austria.
Ludwig is the cousin to Grandma Duck, this was seen in some early 1960's strips, with the 1961 story the Barn Dance Doctor, where Grandma refers to Ludwig as her city cousin. In the German translation of the story, it is noted that Grandma's maternal aunt married a certain Hofrat Von Drake, and they had Ludwig, making him the maternal cousin of Grandma, and the first cousin twice removed from Donald.
Ludwig is not biologically related to Donald at all, but he is instead an uncle through marriage. This idea comes from Don Rosa, who established Quackmore as only having Eider and Daphne as his siblings, but Rosa had liked the character of Ludwig, since he grew up with him on television, so Rosa added him as the husband of Matilda McDuck (In Barks's family tree the wife of Goostave Gander, and the adoptive mother of Gladstone). However this inclusion of Ludwig and Matilda didn't sit well with the editors at Egmont, who classified Ludwig as being "dead", (but he was later revived as a character.), as well as Carl Barks the creator of Matilda, who created his original tree, for the purpose of Matilda being married to Goostave, this idea was later dropped, and Goostave was added as the husband of Donald's aunt Daphne, removing the confusing picnic death story line. Rosa included Ludwig as the husband of Matilda in his private tree, and on the Ducktales 2017 Family Tree, Ludwig also appeared as her husband.
Here is what I believe: The Disney XD Post about Ludwig being Matilda's husband is incorrect, this is not Disney's official source, this is another one of their accounts that posted this tree (in fact Disney still says on D23 that Ludwig is Donald's paternal uncle!). Another reason is, Ludwig is said to be a bachelor, and I don't know how he can be both a bachelor and be married, if he and Matilda divorced, why would Donald still consider him to be an uncle? As for the paternal uncle story by Walt, I don't believe that either, it's already been established that Hortense's maiden name is McDuck, and Quackmore was not Ludwig's brother, (this would make Ludwig Grandma and Humperdink's son, and Grandma calls him cousin).
After all of that, I will conclude that Ludwig is Grandma's maternal cousin, since his father was seen in a 2010 comic, it is not Humperdink, and his mother is not Grandma Duck, so this means that Grandma and Ludwig being cousins is the only out of these three to make the most sense. Obviously he could still be a cousin on Quackmore or Hortense's sides of the family, but Grandma Duck is said to be his cousin, and Donald and Ludwig are both descended from Dead Eye Duck, so this means they are related, as well as the fact that in a recent family tree Gertrude Gadwall is a descendant of Pintail Duck, so their is Duck ancestry in the Gadwall family.
My final conclusion is, Ludwig is Donald's cousin twice removed.
Last Edit: Sept 25, 2024 17:13:16 GMT by whitewater
Ludwig Von Drake's relationship to the Duck Family ***
Ludwig is the cousin to Grandma Duck, this was seen in some early 1960's strips, with the 1961 story the Barn Dance Doctor, where Grandma refers to Ludwig as her city cousin. In the German translation of the story, it is noted that Grandma's maternal aunt married a certain Hofrat Von Drake, and they had Ludwig, making him the maternal cousin of Grandma, and the first cousin twice removed from Donald.
*** After all of that, I will conclude that Ludwig is Grandma's maternal cousin, since his father was seen in a 2010 comic, it is not Humperdink, and his mother is not Grandma Duck, so this means that Grandma and Ludwig being cousins is the only out of these three to make the most sense. Obviously he could still be a cousin on Quackmore or Hortense's sides of the family, but Grandma Duck is said to be his cousin, and Donald and Ludwig are both descended from Dead Eye Duck, so this means they are related, as well as the fact that in a recent family tree Gertrude Gadwall is a descendant of Pintail Duck, so their is Duck ancestry in the Gadwall family.
First off, I want to correct something. I don't believe there is any evidence for a cousin-relation between Grandma Duck and Ludwig in early 1960s strips. However, if I'm wrong about this I am very curious about them. Also, the "Grandma's maternal aunt / Hofrat Von Drake"-stuff comes from the German translation of Duckburg, U.S.A. - not the German translation of Barn Dance Doctor.
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Secondly, I believe the family tree you are referencing with the Pintal/Gadwall-connection is the French one titled La Grande Famille de Donald Duck:
Please note that the tree also connects Quagmire McDuck to Sir Roast McDuck, and Malcolm "Matey" McDuck to Molly Mallard in a similar way. I don't believe there is any source for any such connections, and therefore they should be ignored. (In the Quagmire/Sir Roast case, the connection doesn't even make sense.)
Secondly, I believe the family tree you are referencing with the Pintal/Gadwall-connection is the French one titled La Grande Famille de Donald Duck:
Please note that the tree also connects Quagmire McDuck to Sir Roast McDuck, and Malcolm "Matey" McDuck to Molly Mallard in a similar way. I don't believe there is any source for any such connections, and therefore they should be ignored. (In the Quagmire/Sir Roast case, the connection doesn't even make sense.)
Strange how the creator of this tree chose to make the family slightly inbred: both Dirty Dingus and Grandma Duck marry a distant cousin. Also weird how Pothole has two beards at once.
Last Edit: Sept 26, 2024 16:57:08 GMT by Slye MacDuich
Ludwig Von Drake's relationship to the Duck Family ***
Ludwig is the cousin to Grandma Duck, this was seen in some early 1960's strips, with the 1961 story the Barn Dance Doctor, where Grandma refers to Ludwig as her city cousin. In the German translation of the story, it is noted that Grandma's maternal aunt married a certain Hofrat Von Drake, and they had Ludwig, making him the maternal cousin of Grandma, and the first cousin twice removed from Donald.
*** After all of that, I will conclude that Ludwig is Grandma's maternal cousin, since his father was seen in a 2010 comic, it is not Humperdink, and his mother is not Grandma Duck, so this means that Grandma and Ludwig being cousins is the only out of these three to make the most sense. Obviously he could still be a cousin on Quackmore or Hortense's sides of the family, but Grandma Duck is said to be his cousin, and Donald and Ludwig are both descended from Dead Eye Duck, so this means they are related, as well as the fact that in a recent family tree Gertrude Gadwall is a descendant of Pintail Duck, so their is Duck ancestry in the Gadwall family.
First off, I want to correct something. I don't believe there is any evidence for a cousin-relation between Grandma Duck and Ludwig in early 1960s strips. However, if I'm wrong about this I am very curious about them. Also, the "Grandma's maternal aunt / Hofrat Von Drake"-stuff comes from the German translation of Duckburg, U.S.A. - not the German translation of Barn Dance Doctor.
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Secondly, I believe the family tree you are referencing with the Pintal/Gadwall-connection is the French one titled La Grande Famille de Donald Duck:
Please note that the tree also connects Quagmire McDuck to Sir Roast McDuck, and Malcolm "Matey" McDuck to Molly Mallard in a similar way. I don't believe there is any source for any such connections, and therefore they should be ignored. (In the Quagmire/Sir Roast case, the connection doesn't even make sense.)
Thanks for the corrections, I saw another source that mentioned the Barn Dance Doctor, as where it specified the relationship between Grandma and Ludwig. I believe you are also correct when it comes to the comics about Grandma and Ludwig being cousins.
I included this tree, because it also shows the line connecting to Pintail Duck, I am aware of the problems of the tree, however I think it is worth mentioning, due to the fact that Ludwig is Getrude's nephew according to a translation of a story, making him a descendant of parts of the Duck family. Also Walt Disney noted that the Von Drakes were the eggheads of the clan, I guess this points that they were more distantly related, from the actual Duck family.
That would best fit to add them, given that Lena is Magica's "niece" or creation. I would add Lena as adopted by Violet's family. This could also apply to BOYD, he was created by Gyro Gearloose, but was later adopted by Doofus Drake's family, as his "brother". BOYD also was the temporary "son" of Mark Beaks, and the "brother" of Gyro's Helper.
Lena is going down as a clone of Magica, due to how she was created. Violet, Ty and Indy are indeed being added as her adoptive family.
BOYD is a trickier one - currently, he's going down in the robot index that I'm working on - there may be room to add him later, but that would best be discussed for a later update as the current one is fit to be massive
I would add BOYD as the creation of Gyro, similar to how The Helper is also his creation in the tree, but there was also Dr. Akita, who also worked with Gyro in Japan.
I guess you could add BOYD as the adoptive family member of Doofus Drake's family, but Mark Beaks also raised him as his son in Happy Birthday, Doofus Drake!
Also, I know this is slightly off topic, but is Seafoam McDuck Scrooge's 3rd Great-Granfather or 2nd? I reread some of Rosa's work, and it seems he was Scrooge's 3rd Great-Grandfather.
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Also, I know this is slightly off topic, but is Seafoam McDuck Scrooge's 3rd Great-Granfather or 2nd? I reread some of Rosa's work, and it seems he was Scrooge's 3rd Great-Grandfather.
There is some confusion about this, and here's the reason: Seafoam's relation to Scrooge is referenced only twice (if I haven't forgotten something) in The Life & Times of Scrooge McDuck. The first one is from Chapter 1. To the left is the original printing, to the right is the Don Rosa Library version.
Note the extra "great" in the Don Rosa Library version. Also worth mentioning is that Fergus is referring to Seafoam from his own point of view here - by that I mean that Seafoam is Fergus' great-great-grandfather - not Scrooge's. Seafoam would thus be Scrooge's great-great-great-grandfather. For proof that this was Rosa's intention, look no further than the second example. This is from Chapter 4:
Here, Scrooge refers to Seafoam as his great-great-great-grandfather. This is consistent with the Don Rosa Library printing of Chapter 1.
I think this option makes the most sense. The alternative requires Seafoam, his son, and/or Dingus to have had children in their 40s. Adding another generation allows the McDucks to have had children earlier on in their lives instead.
Also, I know this is slightly off topic, but is Seafoam McDuck Scrooge's 3rd Great-Granfather or 2nd? I reread some of Rosa's work, and it seems he was Scrooge's 3rd Great-Grandfather.
There is some confusion about this, and here's the reason: Seafoam's relation to Scrooge is referenced only twice (if I haven't forgotten something) in The Life & Times of Scrooge McDuck. The first one is from Chapter 1. To the left is the original printing, to the right is the Don Rosa Library version.
Note the extra "great" in the Don Rosa Library version. Also worth mentioning is that Fergus is referring to Seafoam from his own point of view here - by that I mean that Seafoam is Fergus' great-great-grandfather - not Scrooge's. Seafoam would thus be Scrooge's great-great-great-grandfather. For proof that this was Rosa's intention, look no further than the second example. This is from Chapter 4:
Here, Scrooge refers to Seafoam as his great-great-great-grandfather. This is consistent with the Don Rosa Library printing of Chapter 1.
I think this option makes the most sense. The alternative requires Seafoam, his son, and/or Dingus to have had children in their 40s. Adding another generation allows the McDucks to have had children earlier on in their lives instead.
I edited the Disney Wiki, a while ago, and changed Seafoam's relationship to great-great-great-grandfather, I did this, because I noticed Scrooge already had a great-great-grandfather Silas McDuck, and Seafoam was said to be Scrooge's 3rd Great-Grandfather, as well in Rosa's Duck Family Tree Draft.
Post by Slye MacDuich on Sept 26, 2024 14:45:46 GMT
Adding this to my mental list of changes made for the DRL. This is the first one I know of where they enlarged the speech bubble. Also, note the change in word choice from „teeth“ to „dentures“.
Last Edit: Sept 26, 2024 14:49:44 GMT by Slye MacDuich
What changes would you make to the Duck family tree (Rosa’s version)? I’m personally fine with the tree, but I think it should move some characters around.
On another thread LP and I discussed the possible names of Humperdink and Downy’s parents, since they are the only ones on the tree not to have parents. I have decided that Humperdink’s father was named Danial “Bluffer” Duck, I’m not sure about his mother. Downy’s parents for me were named Captain Roger “Seabass” O’Drake and Joanna “Jenny” MacGoose. I don’t care if Gideon, Mani Buche or Rumpus are added as siblings to the tree, but they are more obscure in modern American comics, so I don’t really mind.
I would add the Gander family tree, including Disraeli Duck, and Susiebelle Swan. As for Shamrock Gander, I would include him as the son of one of Gladstone’s cousins, because there is not enough evidence that Gladstone even has a sibling, let a lone a nephew. So you could add Oscar and Shamrock as cousins.
As for Uncle Eider, I am more inclined to add his wife as Gladstone and Donald’s aunt Agnes, I think Lulubelle and Fethry, should be added to a different branch of the tree, Fethry is said to be a distant cousin, this also applies to Whitewater, I would change his name (the French name Abner), back to Whitewater, and add him also as maybe a second or third cousin on the tree.
On this tree Fred and Lizzie are Eider and Agnes’s children, I’m fine with that, and I guess they could have a grandchild named Detlev.
As for the Coot Kin, I would add Cornelius’s wife, his parents, and uncle from the more recent comics, but I would remove Cuthbert Coot as the son of Casey and Gretchen, he is a different species from his own sister, so I would probably add a different son for Casey and Gretchen, to be the father of Cuthbert.
Gus Goose is Grandma’s (grand)nephew, this is undeniable now, it was first given in a Barks comic, where Grandma says she hadn’t fired Gus, because he is her nephew. Since Socrates M. Gosling is a character from Taliaferro’s strips, I would add him as Gus’s nephew, due to the fact he is related to an Uncle Gus. Taliaferro also created Grandma Duck, Huey, Dewey, and Louie, as well as Gus Goose, so why not include another Duck family member? You could add Aunt Gertie, Huey, Dewey, and Louie’s aunt from Mickey’s Once Upon A Christmas, as his mother, and add Pepper, Gus’s nephew, as his brother. I’m not sure about his father.
Goostave Gander is absolutely Gladstone’s father, not Luke Goose, as we can see Goostave’s portrait owned by Gladstone, and his father visits Gladstone in a 2022 comic. Luke Goose the same, undeniably Gus’s father, Gus also has a portrait of his father, and his father was also shown to be Gus’s father in a 2019 comic.
A few minor changes I would add is changing Dirty Dingus’s name back to Titus, which Rosa himself said he should have done, and add Simon McDuck. Other relatives that should be added are Cousin Coot, evidently a different cousin than Cuthbert Coot, and cousin Mehitabel Mudhen, LP’s personal favorite, being Matilda’s daughter, I personally wouldn’t mind if Matilda married a Mr. Mudhen or maybe a different man, and they had children and grandchildren.
Also, I might add a different Goose woman to be the wife of Casey Coot, since his daughter Fanny (this relationship is confirmed in The Duck Who Never Was), looks more like a Goose. Maybe Gretchen Grebe was Casey’s daughter-in-law, and the mother of Cuthbert and Cousin Coot.
What changes would you make to the Duck family tree (Rosa’s version)?
I would give Gertrude Gadwall a duckbill. I always found it very strange that Rosa didn't do that. Where did Grandma get hers?
I mean, sure, given how genetics work she could have inherited it from a grandparent, but why miss out on such an elegant solution?
If I believe correctly, Grandma Duck's grandmother (not Cornelius's wife), had a duckbill, I think her husband did as well. I'm not sure why Grandma Duck has one, since she is a descendant of the Coots on her father's side, it is very likely it comes from her mother's side.
I have the same problem with Cuthbert Coot, he and his sister Fanny Coot have completely different bills, so it is more likely they are probably aunt/nephew.
I would give Gertrude Gadwall a duckbill. I always found it very strange that Rosa didn't do that. Where did Grandma get hers?
I mean, sure, given how genetics work she could have inherited it from a grandparent, but why miss out on such an elegant solution?
If I believe correctly, Grandma Duck's grandmother (not Cornelius's wife), had a duckbill, I think her husband did as well. I'm not sure why Grandma Duck has one, since she is a descendant of the Coots on her father's side, it is very likely it comes from her mother's side.
I have the same problem with Cuthbert Coot, he and his sister Fanny Coot have completely different bills, so it is more likely they are probably aunt/nephew.
Speaking of visual choices, I never liked that Rosa gave Downy, Matilda and Hortense a round head and a small beak as if they are infants.