There is a minor tradition in English-speaking countries whereby maiden names from the family tree that are especially celebrated by the family are carried into succeeding generations as middle names or as given names, whereas the tradition of married names would otherwise obliterate them.
I'll fix Ricky! If you know of any other errors on the tree, be sure to let me know! I've already moved Annabel from being Gladstone's cousin to Daisy's.
The "D." in John D. Rockerfeller's name is short for "Davison". This is the case for both Junior and Senior. Just like with Rockerduck, Davison was the surname of Rockerfeller Senior's mother... even though Rockerduck was based on Junior, but whatever. So, if Rockerduck's "D." is meant to correspond to a real-world equivalent, then yes Sim, his "D." should be another surname rather than a middle name. Has it ever been confirmed that the "D." is short for Davison in the comics? Before La Ballata, I mean? And in English?
There is a minor tradition in English-speaking countries whereby maiden names from the family tree that are especially celebrated by the family are carried into succeeding generations as middle names or as given names, whereas the tradition of married names would otherwise obliterate them.
I'll fix Ricky! If you know of any other errors on the tree, be sure to let me know! I've already moved Annabel from being Gladstone's cousin to Daisy's.
The "D." in John D. Rockerfeller's name is short for "Davison". This is the case for both Junior and Senior. Just like with Rockerduck, Davison was the surname of Rockerfeller Senior's mother... even though Rockerduck was based on Junior, but whatever. So, if Rockerduck's "D." is meant to correspond to a real-world equivalent, then yes Sim, his "D." should be another surname rather than a middle name. Has it ever been confirmed that the "D." is short for Davison in the comics? Before La Ballata, I mean? And in English?
As far as I know, the Davison (sur)name has been referred to in two recent Italian stories:
Since all of these three stories are really recent considering the character is around since 1961 and has always been referred to as "Rockerduck" and since the 2017 one was written by Sio (not a Disney artist) and the last one (La Ballata) is credited as an idea of Alex Bertani (Topolino director), I suspect that this is some sort of "canon" that Bertani wants to establish and he is doing it story after story, first giving as a fact that the D. stands for Davison and later revealing that it was the mother's surname.
I still can't see why this thing seems so relevant to him (maybe it's just a reference to real life John D. Rockfeller), but who knows maybe the mother or some other relative could be included in the Fantomius saga or somewhere else set in the past.
I'll fix Ricky! If you know of any other errors on the tree, be sure to let me know! I've already moved Annabel from being Gladstone's cousin to Daisy's.
The "D." in John D. Rockerfeller's name is short for "Davison". This is the case for both Junior and Senior. Just like with Rockerduck, Davison was the surname of Rockerfeller Senior's mother... even though Rockerduck was based on Junior, but whatever. So, if Rockerduck's "D." is meant to correspond to a real-world equivalent, then yes Sim, his "D." should be another surname rather than a middle name. Has it ever been confirmed that the "D." is short for Davison in the comics? Before La Ballata, I mean? And in English?
Other than the two stories mentioned by sim, the middle name should have appeared also in Zio Paperone e il deposito sotto A.S.S.E.D.I.O., at least according to this user (I can't double check because I haven't those issues with me now), which is a couple of months after Sio's one.
However the question about what the 'D' in John D. Rockerduck seem to exist since decades prior, and the proposal of "Davison" too. The best I've found is a post from 2007 where an user asks if the D really stands for Davison, because that it's what is reported on the article on Wikipedia. The responses can't find a in-canon answer, but pretty much all agree that it was referring to the real Rockfeller. Same thing for a 2014 post.
The official Topolino site claims that Rk name in english is "John Davison Rockerduck", but doesn't give a source for that.
Last add, but for this I can't find confirm, I seem to remember that around the time Bluguette story came out, it was discussed also because it confirmed the Davison name, which was already considered fan-canon by the majority of the fanbase (the post talking about Wikipedia article back this up). But this is only a memory, I can't find any discussion thread talking about this.
edit: I checked Paperpedia Wiki, and my idea of Davison as fan-name probably than rose to official has more support. The oldest version with Davison is from 2011, made by the founder of the wiki.
Last Edit: Oct 24, 2021 22:01:15 GMT by farmspirit
I'll fix Ricky! If you know of any other errors on the tree, be sure to let me know! I've already moved Annabel from being Gladstone's cousin to Daisy's.
The "D." in John D. Rockerfeller's name is short for "Davison". This is the case for both Junior and Senior. Just like with Rockerduck, Davison was the surname of Rockerfeller Senior's mother... even though Rockerduck was based on Junior, but whatever. So, if Rockerduck's "D." is meant to correspond to a real-world equivalent, then yes Sim, his "D." should be another surname rather than a middle name. Has it ever been confirmed that the "D." is short for Davison in the comics? Before La Ballata, I mean? And in English?
Other than the two stories mentioned by sim, the middle name should have appeared also in Zio Paperone e il deposito sotto A.S.S.E.D.I.O., at least according to this user (I can't double check because I haven't those issues with me now), which is a couple of months after Sio's one.
Which has also been written by two young authors. Furthermore, Vito was a really active member of Papersera before working with Panini (I don't know if he still is), so he should have been aware of all those fan wondering.
Although it would seem logical that the D. stood for Davison, it looks weird to me that the only four stories we know mentioning that fact are post-2017 and written by new authors (Stabile's first story has been published in 2013, Zemelo's in 2014, Sio's in 2015 and Nucci's in 2019).
In this strip we have a bunch of relatives who came to stay on Donald's house. I don't have acess to the original version of the strip, so i will only list the brazilian names
I mean, it's possible that this strip was made in Brazil, but i doubt it
In this strip we have a bunch of relatives who came to stay on Donald's house. I don't have acess to the original version of the strip, so i will only list the brazilian names
I mean, it's possible that this strip was made in Brazil, but i doubt it
- Aunt Dora, Uncle Dave, Cousin Dawn, Dick and Dexter; - Uncle Denton, Aunt Daphne, Cousin Dan, Derick and Douglas; - Cousins Dudley, Duncan, Dwight, Dominic and Dennis.
Funny how some of these names (if not all) have been used later for actual relatives (and therefore are already on the tree probably, unless we consider these as three complete families). All the relatives' names start with a letter D.
In this strip we have a bunch of relatives who came to stay on Donald's house. I don't have acess to the original version of the strip, so i will only list the brazilian names
I mean, it's possible that this strip was made in Brazil, but i doubt it
In the story Zio Paperone e la lotta per la corona we learn that almost 300 years ago (so still in the range of your tree) the "bankers of Magonza" (which is the italian name of Mainz in Germany) offered a loan to the prince of Farnientzja, which was never repaid. An official from the principality trace the debt, and discovers that "a discendant of a collateral branch of one of those bankers" is $crooge. He received it through his direct ancestor Paper von Paperonen (which isn't said when he lived, so we can suppose he lived around 300 years ago too, and probably was the collateral branch mentioned).
I would add this character (and the unnamed banker, maybe his brother/cousin) in the german area
In The Battle at Hadrian's Wall (Lockman/Strobl, 1966), Donald and nephews visit Scotland and go to a place called "McDuck Clan Land" ("the home of our ancestors").
Here we see two ducks who resemble Scrooge, but it isn't said if they actually are McDucks.
Later in the story, our heroes are sent back in time to the second century and wee can see some of their ancestors trying to break through the Hadrian's Wall.
In The Battle at Hadrian's Wall (Loclman/Strobl, 1966), Donald and nephews visit Scotland and go to a place called "McDuck Clan Land" ("the home of our ancestors").
Here we see two ducks who resemble Scrooge, but it isn't said if they actually are McDucks.
Later in the story, our heroes are sent back in time to the second century and wee can see some of their ancestors trying to break through the Hadrian's Wall.
I never liked how the 2nd century Scotsmen are depicted as club-wielding cavemen in this story... What were Lockman and Strobl thinking?
Last Edit: Oct 29, 2021 14:55:28 GMT by juicymcduck
Hi. The last few weeks, I've spent some of my spare time building a Duck family tree that includes relatives from every media. The goal is basically to do an "improved" and up-to-date version of Gilles Maurice's tree. When I first discovered Maurice's tree back in 2008, it was the most fascinating thing I had ever seen. But, as time passed, I realized that Maurice made a few mistakes in his tree, and also that he left some characters out. My tree attempts to fix these things. (Although, my tree only features characters going back to around the year 1700. It would be possible to go back even further, but at that point, the genealogical information gets even more vague. I'll leave that to someone else.)
However, I do not have access to a lot of the stories the many relatives in my tree originate from. Therefore, I may very well have made some mistakes too. If you find any mistakes in my tree, please point them out and we'll discuss alternatives. I'll try to update the tree as soon as possible.
The placements of the characters are based on information compiled from various sources, including Wikis, the Generation Duck blog, Asger Pedersen's Ande-Aner article, INDUCKS, Scroogerello's Gander tree, Gilles Maurice's original tree, and my own research. Yet, I'm sure there are characters that I've missed. If you notice that someone is missing, please notify me.
You may have noticed a few empty portrait-boxes. Those are characters that I need scans of. If you have access to a scan of any of those characters, please send one to me.
Finally, over the years there have been several characters claiming the title of "Scrooge's great-grandfather", for example. Silas Elias, Pampero, "Wasteful" Scrooge, Potluck, and so on. Obviously, not all of these can be McDucks (unless there's an uncomfortable amount of inbreeding in the family). But I wish to include as many characters as possible. In these cases, the important thing is that they are an ancestor of Scrooge or Donald - not necessarily that they are named McDuck. Therefore, I've taken a few minor artistic liberties here and there, and changed the last names of some of these "problematic" characters. For example, "Silas Elias Mallard" was originally a Duck.
I guess that's it. I'm looking forward to any feedback you have to offer!
In W DAD 10-03 the name of Daisy's aunt is Agatha, not "Agathe" as you have (that probably comes from the French translation Gilles found)
I can't find in the tree the direct ancestor (the italian word used is "avo") of $crooge called "mister Joshua" by $crooge, but better known as the "mysterious Scottman", from the famous Zio Paperone e il tunnel sotto la Manica. In 1849 a group of Scottish emigrants arrived in California searching gold, and between them there was this direct ancestor. He bought an island a couple of miles from Duckburg coast, called "Little Scotland" (probably named by him) from the natives Yuma. His proof to the existance of this direct ancestor is a drawing made on pelt, that $crooge father (which in later reprints became "$crooge's family") used to cover a window of the castle broken by 3-years-old $crooge.
Being that the pelt is in Scotland, most probably Joshua returned from Duckburg to the old continent.
I can't find in the tree the direct ancestor (the italian word used is "avo") of $crooge called "mister Joshua" by $crooge, but better known as the "mysterious Scottman", from the famous Zio Paperone e il tunnel sotto la Manica. In 1849 a group of Scottish emigrants arrived in California searching gold, and between them there was this direct ancestor. He bought an island a couple of miles from Duckburg coast, called "Little Scotland" (probably named by him) from the natives Yuma. His proof to the existance of this direct ancestor is a drawing made on pelt, that $crooge father (which in later reprints became "$crooge's family") used to cover a window of the castle broken by 3-years-old $crooge.
Being that the pelt is in Scotland, most probably Joshua returned from Duckburg to the old continent.
So Joshua McDuck was alive in 1849? And according to the pelt, he was around Scrooge's age in that time? If both of those facts are true, then there are a few options for his identity. Fergus McDuck was born in 1835, his father "Dirty" Dingus/Titus McDuck was born ca 1800, and his father Roger McDuck would probably have been born around 1770. If Joshua=Fergus, then he would be 14 years old in the pelt-image. If Joshua=Dingus/Titus, then he would be around 49 years old in the pelt-image. If Joshua=Roger, then he would be around 79 years old in the pelt-image.
Note that Scrooge would be in his 80s in the "present" according to Don Rosa's timeline. Thus Joshua=Roger makes the most sense. What are your thoughts on this?