I realised that. But, i think if we try to amalgamate ALL the different countries' Disney Comics publishing franchises' productions' stories' Duck universe invented characters into one single "Duck Family Tree", we should give the characters all their names in the languages of their countries of origin, according to the data supplied in their stories of origin, or first story of the character's introduction, given that ALL Duck characters don't come from Duckburg Calisota, especially those that are historical, from The Ducks' "Old countries", and/or lived in times before Calisota existed.
I think that "Patrasco" appears in a S or D story, so he should already have another name.
Can we check that? I am working on a Gander Family tree, and want to assign either the S-code name or an equivalent or a very close analogous French name to it, which will be easily recognisable as the same character used in the S-story or Egmont story.
Oh, sorry if we didn't establish this, but Patrasco is already on the tree. He is currently listed as MacMorgan McDuck, son of Silas McDuck and grandson of "Seafoam" McDuck. MacMorgan isn't a French name either, though. According to this placement, he would have been born around 1770. These numbers don't fit with the Portuguese article at all! Maybe I'll move him around in the near-future! (I still haven't gotten around to the update I was supposed to do the other week!)
I've added, subtracted, and otherwise changed everything we've discussed (I think. I might have missed something, but I don't think so.)
The kind folks over at the Papersera forum found one relative, namely Scrooge's cousin Fatso. Yes, that's Fatso McDuck. I've also added Catfish McDuck who was the DuckTales-version of Scrooge's uncle Pothole. Finally, I moved McRapan from being one of Scrooge's great-granduncles to being his great-grandfather, as he originally was. To allow for this, I pushed Silas Elias back one generation in time. McRapan is now a Mallard. I don't know if he's explicitly a McDuck in his story of origin, but this will have to do for now.
Oh, sorry if we didn't establish this, but Patrasco is already on the tree. He is currently listed as MacMorgan McDuck, son of Silas McDuck and grandson of "Seafoam" McDuck. MacMorgan isn't a French name either, though. According to this placement, he would have been born around 1770. These numbers don't fit with the Portuguese article at all! Maybe I'll move him around in the near-future! (I still haven't gotten around to the update I was supposed to do the other week!)
Can you please remind us which story he comes from? If an S- or D-code, I'd like to see if I can locate his real name.
Oh, sorry if we didn't establish this, but Patrasco is already on the tree. He is currently listed as MacMorgan McDuck, son of Silas McDuck and grandson of "Seafoam" McDuck. MacMorgan isn't a French name either, though. According to this placement, he would have been born around 1770. These numbers don't fit with the Portuguese article at all! Maybe I'll move him around in the near-future! (I still haven't gotten around to the update I was supposed to do the other week!)
Can you please remind us which story he comes from? If an S- or D-code, I'd like to see if I can locate his real name.
Hi. The last few weeks, I've spent some of my spare time building a Duck family tree that includes relatives from every media. The goal is basically to do an "improved" and up-to-date version of Gilles Maurice's tree. When I first discovered Maurice's tree back in 2008, it was the most fascinating thing I had ever seen. But, as time passed, I realized that Maurice made a few mistakes in his tree, and also that he left some characters out. My tree attempts to fix these things. (Although, my tree only features characters going back to around the year 1700. It would be possible to go back even further, but at that point, the genealogical information gets even more vague. I'll leave that to someone else.)
However, I do not have access to a lot of the stories the many relatives in my tree originate from. Therefore, I may very well have made some mistakes too. If you find any mistakes in my tree, please point them out and we'll discuss alternatives. I'll try to update the tree as soon as possible.
The placements of the characters are based on information compiled from various sources, including Wikis, the Generation Duck blog, Asger Pedersen's Ande-Aner article, INDUCKS, Scroogerello's Gander tree, Gilles Maurice's original tree, and my own research. Yet, I'm sure there are characters that I've missed. If you notice that someone is missing, please notify me.
You may have noticed a few empty portrait-boxes. Those are characters that I need scans of. If you have access to a scan of any of those characters, please send one to me.
Finally, over the years there have been several characters claiming the title of "Scrooge's great-grandfather", for example. Silas Elias, Pampero, "Wasteful" Scrooge, Potluck, and so on. Obviously, not all of these can be McDucks (unless there's an uncomfortable amount of inbreeding in the family). But I wish to include as many characters as possible. In these cases, the important thing is that they are an ancestor of Scrooge or Donald - not necessarily that they are named McDuck. Therefore, I've taken a few minor artistic liberties here and there, and changed the last names of some of these "problematic" characters. For example, "Silas Elias Mallard" was originally a Duck.
I guess that's it. I'm looking forward to any feedback you have to offer!
Just some corrections regarding the English names of the relatives appearing in The Overnight Hero: the one you have as Dristig Duck is actually called Buck Duck and Dickey Drake is actually Dicky Drake... I presume you (or Gilles maybe) took the others' name from some translation, but it's weird that they do have names since they barely speak or are spoken to and only appear in one or two panels.
Great... and I turn out to have notes on the English version of this one.
The famous pirate relative is "great-uncle Swash McBuckle"; while HDL are the first to call him this, he's seemingly Scrooge's great-uncle, as Scrooge calls himself a "descendant" of Swash, which doesn't really sound like he's talking about an immediate uncle.
We later learn that Swash eventually stopped being a pirate, reformed to become an honest man and run an animal shelter for sailors' parrots, and changed his name to "Spendall McGiver." Scrooge remembers McGiver as being "the black sheep of our proud clan" for being a spendthrift rather than a cheapskate, and indeed Scrooge hadn't known until now that McGiver was formerly McBuckle.
McBuckle/McGiver would seem to be on Scrooge's father's side of the family (given the reference to the "proud clan" of cheapskates—clearly the McDucks), but removed just far enough that he didn't have the McDuck surname.
I have a vocabulary question: I often see people using the word "ancestor" in English to designate someone they actually don't descend from. (E.g.: When the "official" sequel to Bram Stoker's Dracula was released, much of the publicity revolved around the fact that Dacre Stoker was continuing the work of his "ancestor," even though he obviously doesn't descend from his great-uncle!) Is this an accepted use, or just a common mistake?
I have a vocabulary question: I often see people using the word "ancestor" in English to designate someone they actually don't descend from. (E.g.: When the "official" sequel to Bram Stoker's Dracula was released, much of the publicity revolved around the fact that Dacre Stoker was continuing the work of his "ancestor," even though he obviously doesn't descend from his great-uncle!) Is this an accepted use, or just a common mistake?
I had a similar question for the italian equivalent, "antenato": I thought it meant only direct ones, but searching more I learnt that it could refers to any members of the family bornt before you. So a grandaunt can be your "antenato" too. For direct ancestors only, there is the specific term "avo".
Online translators translate both words as "ancestor", so I guess in english there isn't a specific term, outside word like "progenitor" or "ascendent" (both which aren't really used in the common speaking)
Great... and I turn out to have notes on the English version of this one.
The famous pirate relative is "great-uncle Swash McBuckle"; while HDL are the first to call him this, he's seemingly Scrooge's great-uncle, as Scrooge calls himself a "descendant" of Swash, which doesn't really sound like he's talking about an immediate uncle.
We later learn that Swash eventually stopped being a pirate, reformed to become an honest man and run an animal shelter for sailors' parrots, and changed his name to "Spendall McGiver." Scrooge remembers McGiver as being "the black sheep of our proud clan" for being a spendthrift rather than a cheapskate, and indeed Scrooge hadn't known until now that McGiver was formerly McBuckle.
McBuckle/McGiver would seem to be on Scrooge's father's side of the family (given the reference to the "proud clan" of cheapskates—clearly the McDucks), but removed just far enough that he didn't have the McDuck surname.
Great! Swash McBuckle can't be Scrooge's "true" great-uncle (as in Titus McDuck's brother) and still be of the McDuck-clan, as this would require him to have the McDuck surname... which he clearly doesn't have. With that in mind, I think the best placement for him would be a maternal grandson of Silas McDuck (Titus' cousin). As he would still be of Titus' generation, he could still be called a great-uncle by Duck-universe-logic.
Great... and I turn out to have notes on the English version of this one.
The famous pirate relative is "great-uncle Swash McBuckle"; while HDL are the first to call him this, he's seemingly Scrooge's great-uncle, as Scrooge calls himself a "descendant" of Swash, which doesn't really sound like he's talking about an immediate uncle.
McBuckle/McGiver would seem to be on Scrooge's father's side of the family (given the reference to the "proud clan" of cheapskates—clearly the McDucks), but removed just far enough that he didn't have the McDuck surname.
I agree that Swash McBuckle should have lived quite a bit before Scrooge, based on Scrooge's comment. And, in addition, to match with the feeling his name gives of a "swashbuckler", which implies swordplay, and that he lived during the classic period of sea-pirating in The Americas (Mid 16th through 18th Centuries), I propose that we date Swash living no later than the late 1700s. Perhaps he could be Seafoam's son, father of Blackduck The Pirate? (Sorry, if that doesn't jibe with Rosa's Duck Family Tree - I don't remember which characters were assigned to The 17th and 18th Centuries).
I agree that Swash McBuckle should have lived quite a bit before Scrooge, based on Scrooge's comment. And, in addition, to match with the feeling his name gives of a "swashbuckler", which implies swordplay, and that he lived during the classic period of sea-pirating in The Americas (Mid 16th through 18th Centuries), I propose that we date Swash living no later than the late 1700s.
I'm afraid this can't be. Late in the story, a note from McGiver explains how he was formerly McBuckle, and Scrooge reacts in shock, remembering McGiver from his youth. So while McGiver was evidently an old man in Scrooge's younger days, he and Scrooge did overlap slightly.
I agree that Swash McBuckle should have lived quite a bit before Scrooge, based on Scrooge's comment. And, in addition, to match with the feeling his name gives of a "swashbuckler", which implies swordplay, and that he lived during the classic period of sea-pirating in The Americas (Mid 16th through 18th Centuries), I propose that we date Swash living no later than the late 1700s.
I'm afraid this can't be. Late in the story, a note from McGiver explains how he was formerly McBuckle, and Scrooge reacts in shock, remembering McGiver from his youth. So while McGiver was evidently an old man in Scrooge's younger days, he and Scrooge did overlap slightly.
Were there even any sea pirates operating in Caribbean or North American waters during the mid-to-late 1800s? Did the story describe where McBuckle operated? I know that there were sea pirates in The Indian Ocean, Sulu Sea, South China Sea, and Barbary Coast of North Africa in the early to mid 1800s. Maybe he operated there? But where did Scrooge meet him?
Did the story describe where McBuckle operated? I know that there were sea pirates in The Indian Ocean, Sulu Sea, South China Sea, and Barbary Coast of North Africa in the early to mid 1800s. Maybe he operated there? But where did Scrooge meet him?
The story isn't too historically accurate; McBuckle operated directly off the US coast, "bur[ying] his treasure chest somewhere near here," where "here" is Duckburg. Then he purportedly disappeared, so completely that when he resurfaced as McGiver, Scrooge and other relatives perceived him as a different relative.
(How they wouldn't have realized this is anybody's guess! How does one change one's name, present oneself as a different person, and still get accepted by relatives as their relative without their catching on? There's a slight flaw in the logic of this story... the McDucks clearly knew both McBuckle and McGiver as relatives, but somehow didn't know one had become the other...)
Scrooge doesn't seem to have known the old guy personally as McBuckle; only as McGiver, for whatever it's worth. Maybe he resurfaced as McGiver in Scotland, when Scrooge was young; but now I'm speculating about something the story doesn't make clear.
Did the story describe where McBuckle operated? I know that there were sea pirates in The Indian Ocean, Sulu Sea, South China Sea, and Barbary Coast of North Africa in the early to mid 1800s. Maybe he operated there? But where did Scrooge meet him?
The story isn't too historically accurate; McBuckle operated directly off the US coast, "bur[ying] his treasure chest somewhere near here," where "here" is Duckburg. Then he purportedly disappeared, so completely that when he resurfaced as McGiver, Scrooge and other relatives perceived him as a different relative.
(How they wouldn't have realized this is anybody's guess! How does one change one's name, present oneself as a different person, and still get accepted by relatives as their relative without their catching on? There's a slight flaw in the logic of this story... the McDucks clearly knew both McBuckle and McGiver as relatives, but somehow didn't know one had become the other...)
Scrooge doesn't seem to have known the old guy personally as McBuckle; only as McGiver, for whatever it's worth. Maybe he resurfaced as McGiver in Scotland, when Scrooge was young; but now I'm speculating about something the story doesn't make clear.
As a long time history buff, I have a big problem with the cliché of the swashbuckling, sword-wielding, Caribbean sea pirates being active in North American waters after the beginning of the 1800s, and still swordfighting, still as freebooting Buccaneers, attacking Spanish treasure ships, and burying treasure chests full of Spanish gold dubloons on Caribbean islands and The US southeastern Atlantic coast. I also don't like the late '50s or early 1960s story drawn by Tony Strobl, which contains a completely ridiculous Duck family tree that shows a "Blackduck The Pirate" on the same tree branch as Gladstone, implying that they are brothers, and they had only one parent, who was male, and that Blackduck's lifespan could only be slightly earlier than Gladstone's. Who in these modern times would name their son "Blackduck The Pirate", other than Frank Zappa? And, I'd bet that IF that family tree would have had pictures of the family members drawn on the tree, Blackduck absolutely would have been wearing a 17th Century-style pirate captain's hat complete with skull and cross bones! BAH, HUMBUG, I say to these irrational, and absurdly ridiculous and unprofessional family trees!