However, DuckHistory claims that the unidentified man is placed within a chronological order. This gives us some sort of indication of his relation to Ebeneezer and Ogilvy. The sequence seems to indicate that the unidentified man is an uncle or father of Ogilvy.
Now that I look at it a little closer, the woman seems to be hanging in the hallway as well. When the Ducks look at Ebeneezer portrait (at least, I think it is, since the frame seems the same and on the previous page, they also look at it), the portrait opposite of it looks like the woman, so this could indicate that she is the wife of someone in that generation, perhaps Silas's?
Personally I wouldn't consider those unnamed portraits if not explicitly stated to be relatives, otherwise it will end like for those strange family trees where every photo, portrait or duck-shaped figure in a Duck's house has been made a relative, often with no reasoning behind (like in Grote tree). But the last decision is of LP, and since he already placed non-related characters to fill the gaps, maybe he can do the same with those.
Wait, what non-related characters have I put in to fill gaps? I agree that Gladstone Gander of Basketville's inclusion is arguable at best, and you could make a case for Gyro's grandmother too, but I think those are the only ones.
Anyways, these portraits are hanging in Castle McDuck, right? Why would there be hanging portraits of non-McDucks in Castle McDuck? I admit that the position on the tree for these unnamed ducks would be pure guesswork, but I do believe that they belong somewhere on the tree. But then again, you have a point. If I start to insert unnamed portraits on the tree, it's only a matter of time until I insert every background-portrait on Donald's walls from the Barks-comics. And then every other portrait of every other creator... and I don't want that. I guess you're right - there should be no unidentified portraits on the tree.
However, DuckHistory claims that the unidentified man is placed within a chronological order. This gives us some sort of indication of his relation to Ebeneezer and Ogilvy. The sequence seems to indicate that the unidentified man is an uncle or father of Ogilvy.
I'll have to think this over. Feel free to add your opinions!
Sorry, I thought you still had some other of those lookalikes from Gilles tree, but after checking it seems they have already been removed.
I'm not saying that they aren't relatives/ancestors, on the contrary, they most probably are. What I'm saying (and you pointed out too) is that if you add those unnamed portraits, then you have to add those of other stories too, and before we know it, the tree is full of portraits with no informations, whose placing is more of a shot in the dark than a reasoned hypothesis.
I can already think to a couple of stories where there are rooms and halls full of portraits, statues and trinkets, said to be of members of the dynasty of ducks (the stories are Il ritratto di Zio Paperone and all the paralipomeni serie)
Personally I draw the distinction on what we know of those characters: if they have at least a name, or we know something more than simply the portrait, I include it as a character in itself. Otherwise, I make a big cloud/group/box where I place the generic ones (I had to draw this conclusion while researching the Miss Witchcraft family tree. In a story they show an entire wall full of portraits, that are ancestors and relatives of both the parents. Trying to divide and order them would have been a strenous and useless task in my opinion, so I made this rule for myself)
But not all discussions come to harm. Rereading those stories, I noticed that some named ancestors are mentioned and are probably in the correct timeframe to appear on the tree.
In Il ritratto di Zio Paperone $crooge says that his ancestors used to have portrait of themselves been made. Three are mentioned by names: Paperon mc Paperon di Scozia, Paperon de los Paperoñes di Spagna and Crockett Duck del Tennessee. The first two don't have a specific painting of them ($mD was walking in a hall with at least 5 portraits visible, so we can't connect the names to one in particular), but both Scotland and Spain are already house of many members of the dynasty of ducks, so it wouldn't be difficult to imagine those two from those. The last one is the one with more informations: given the clothes and the Tennessee mention, he seem to have lived in the USA during the colonial era. So maybe brother of mcTavish? Just a guess.
In le avventure di Paperin cannoniere we learn of another ancestor of the ducks (both $crooge, Donald and HDL) called Paperin cannoniere ("cannoniere" is more probably than not a nickname, since he start being called like that only after becoming one). $crooge says that he weared the uniform of the first years of the century before, and since the enemy emperor is clearly Napoleon (despite being unnamed), he probably was born between the last years of the 1700 and the first years of the 1800. I guess he must have been british, since he enrolled in His Majesty's army, but someone expert in military uniforms maybe can better pinpoint the country of him. Paperin wanted to be a drummer in the Army, but for an error he was made in charge of the cannons. Despite failing two times, at the end he was able to save a small colonial frontier's village from the enemy invasion. But after been awarded with a medal and became a war hero, he was still downgraded to drummer, as he initially requested.
The story Paper Micca e l'assedio di Torino also has an ancestor of the ducks during the napoleonic period, but this one was living in Italy, specifically at Torino. Unfortunately I remember reading it, but I don't have those issues.
In Paperino e la sfortuna storica Ludwig tells to Donald about 4 of his ancestors, to explain how his misfortune his hereditary. The first lived during the crusades, so outside the scope of the tree. The second ancestor was a sailor and he went for a voyage, only to end lost on an island a la Robinson Crusoe (it isn't stated when he lived, maybe you can guess from his clothes?). The third ancestor worked in a renowned pastry shop, and was a good chef, because he (probably) invented a "sweet-salty sfogliatella", a pastry that is both sweet and salty (it isn't explicitly stated that he created the pastry. The ancestor mentioned it first, was acting proud and smug while presenting it, and the the Jubal, Fethry and Brigitte lookalikes didn't knew it, but later was Brigitte to have the recipe, so bho?). They messed up the order for an important client, the baroness de' Bigne, and so they ended as scullions in a locand in the frontier. The fourth and last ancestor, named Paperino, was at Duckburg at the start of the century. He was also a good cook, and was appointed to prepare the lunch for the senator. But his 3 HDL-lookalike nephews ate too much, so there was nothing left for the senator.
The article preceding the story on the Scarpa's Omnia states that the 3rd ancestor's story was in the 1800s, and the 4th's was at the start of the XX century, as also stated by the dida in the story.
However, DuckHistory claims that the unidentified man is placed within a chronological order. This gives us some sort of indication of his relation to Ebeneezer and Ogilvy. The sequence seems to indicate that the unidentified man is an uncle or father of Ogilvy.
Now that I look at it a little closer, the woman seems to be hanging in the hallway as well. When the Ducks look at Ebeneezer portrait (at least, I think it is, since the frame seems the same and on the previous page, they also look at it), the portrait opposite of it looks like the woman, so this could indicate that she is the wife of someone in that generation, perhaps Silas's?
Could you post the full panel with the portrait of the woman? That could give us more of an idea of the wall on which her portrait hangs and maybe some clues to how she relates to the others.
In Il ritratto di Zio Paperone $crooge says that his ancestors used to have portrait of themselves been made. Three are mentioned by names: Paperon mc Paperon di Scozia, Paperon de los Paperoñes di Spagna and Crockett Duck del Tennessee. The first two don't have a specific painting of them ($mD was walking in a hall with at least 5 portraits visible, so we can't connect the names to one in particular), but both Scotland and Spain are already house of many members of the dynasty of ducks, so it wouldn't be difficult to imagine those two from those. The last one is the one with more informations: given the clothes and the Tennessee mention, he seem to have lived in the USA during the colonial era. So maybe brother of mcTavish? Just a guess.
I'll have to take a closer look at these later, but first let's talk about this Crockett Duck. Is he supposed to be the same Crockett from The Pioneer Spirit? That guy is said to be HDL's g-g-(a few more greats)-grandfather. But his surname is Duck, so I assumed he's an ancestor of Humperdink's. How is Scrooge McDuck related to that same guy?
I'll quickly ask about the fourth ancestor, Paperino, from Paperino e la sfortuna storica. The tree is going with the idea that Donald was born around 1920, so this ancestor would be in the same generation as Donald's father Quackmore. So what do I do with him? I guess he could be an uncle or a son of a grand-uncle.
In Il ritratto di Zio Paperone $crooge says that his ancestors used to have portrait of themselves been made. Three are mentioned by names: Paperon mc Paperon di Scozia, Paperon de los Paperoñes di Spagna and Crockett Duck del Tennessee. The first two don't have a specific painting of them ($mD was walking in a hall with at least 5 portraits visible, so we can't connect the names to one in particular), but both Scotland and Spain are already house of many members of the dynasty of ducks, so it wouldn't be difficult to imagine those two from those. The last one is the one with more informations: given the clothes and the Tennessee mention, he seem to have lived in the USA during the colonial era. So maybe brother of mcTavish? Just a guess.
I'll have to take a closer look at these later, but first let's talk about this Crockett Duck. Is he supposed to be the same Crockett from The Pioneer Spirit? That guy is said to be HDL's g-g-(a few more greats)-grandfather. But his surname is Duck, so I assumed he's an ancestor of Humperdink's. How is Scrooge McDuck related to that same guy?
The story all centers around a tradition of $crooge's ancestors to have portraits of them being made. He shows various paintings, but he mentions only those three. So Crockett Duck must definitely be an ancestor (direct or indirect) of $crooge, because there were only him and the painter there.
It would be difficult to be the same Crockett from your story (since it would require another connection between the Duck and the mcDuck family), I see more plausible for this Crockett to be near the point of mcTavish, and maybe the other Crockett inherited the name from him, or both inherited from a common ancestor of both.
I'll quickly ask about the fourth ancestor, Paperino, from Paperino e la sfortuna storica. The tree is going with the idea that Donald was born around 1920, so this ancestor would be in the same generation as Donald's father Quackmore. So what do I do with him? I guess he could be an uncle or a son of a grand-uncle.
Even if DD is born in your tree, the 4th ancestor must be at least one or two generation before him, since he is already 30ish at the start of the [XX] century. So I would place him or as brother of Humperdink Duck, or of Danial Duck (I guess he is a "Duck" because the name "Paperino" is, technically, the surname of DD in italian, being him called "Paolino Paperino". So, by the same logic, the 4th ancestor is a Duck too).
If possible, I suggest to had the other ancestors on the same branch of the 4th too. Since Ludwig explains that DD's misfortune is hereditary, the four ancestors must be from the same line (the 4th, is almost definitely a Duck as stated before, but the other one don't have to be. To place them I would follow the trace of unlucky ancestors of DD)
Now that I look at it a little closer, the woman seems to be hanging in the hallway as well. When the Ducks look at Ebeneezer portrait (at least, I think it is, since the frame seems the same and on the previous page, they also look at it), the portrait opposite of it looks like the woman, so this could indicate that she is the wife of someone in that generation, perhaps Silas's?
Could you post the full panel with the portrait of the woman? That could give us more of an idea of the wall on which her portrait hangs and maybe some clues to how she relates to the others.
I wonder if there might not be a name for Gyro's great-grandfather, the one with the Civil War getup. He appears in the original Uncle Euclid story (S 63043). In Dutch he is called great-grandfather Kakelbester.
I've also found another grandpa Gearloose, an inventor, from S 65114. Have you made him the same character as Ratchet? He seems to have lived pre-airplane, so he might be a generation older still.
Could you post the full panel with the portrait of the woman? That could give us more of an idea of the wall on which her portrait hangs and maybe some clues to how she relates to the others.
It appears that the lady is further back in the corridor. In the panel with the lady, the ducks are walking down a corridor and have not yet reached Ebeneezer's portrait. In the panel that does not show the lady-portrait's head, the picture is on the opposite wall of Ebeneezer's portrait. Also, the suit of armor and the candles on the wall do not match.
I think it is more likely that Ebeneezer's portrait is hanging down the hall from the lady-portrait, and that the lady-portrait without a head opposite Ebeneezer's portrait is portraying a different person (albeit similarly dressed).
I wonder if there might not be a name for Gyro's great-grandfather, the one with the Civil War getup. He appears in the original Uncle Euclid story (S 63043). In Dutch he is called great-grandfather Kakelbester.
I've also found another grandpa Gearloose, an inventor, from S 65114. Have you made him the same character as Ratchet? He seems to have lived pre-airplane, so he might be a generation older still.
Kakelbester is a great name! ^^ But if there are alternatives in other languages, that would interest me too!
It would seem that a relative (he calls them "parientes") named "Platiño" appears in Luis Destuet's "Patilludo versus Platiño" (1959). According to Becattini's description, he is a billionaire, rival of Scrooge's (and they are really similar look-wise).
Unluckily, I don't know more about his relation to the Duck family and I have no idea where the story has been printed because the INDUCKS page for it is still incomplete.
Duck family chart from I TL 2844-1, I recognize: Donald, HDL, Fethry, Gladstone, Gus, Grandma and Daisy (?)... I have no idea who the top right female (?) duck is supposed to be, nor the pointed-beak ducks in the lowest part.
Scrooge's relatives from W DD 179-01, from the left: ?, Moby Duck, HDL, Donald, Daisy, ? female (not Grandma because she also appears in the story with her usual look), Gladstone, ? (Whitewater?)
Another panel from the same story: Dimwitty Duck is also a member of Scrooge's family
Last panel from the same story, top left mysterious girl duck is at the family party! Daisy's relative??
It is curious that this is the only story I know of where Moby and Dimwitty are said to belong to the Duck family. I read somewhere that Pacifically Peaking states that Moby is Donald's cousin, but I couldn't hear a reference to that in the movie. Anyway, Dimwitty was like a replacement for Fethry in the US comics, so it makes sense that he is somehow related to Donald.
Scrooge's relatives from W DD 179-01, from the left: ?, Moby Duck, HDL, Donald, Daisy, ? female (not Grandma because she also appears in the story with her usual look), Gladstone, ? (Whitewater?)
Another panel from the same story: Dimwitty Duck is also a member of Scrooge's family
Last panel from the same story, top left mysterious girl duck is at the family party! Daisy's relative??
It is curious that this is the only story I know of where Moby and Dimwitty are said to belong to the Duck family. I read somewhere that Pacifically Peaking states that Moby is Donald's cousin, but I couldn't hear a reference to that in the movie. Anyway, Dimwitty was like a replacement for Fethry in the US comics, so it makes sense that he is somehow related to Donald.
The female duck at the top left has been fan-identified as Daisy's sister, the mother of April, May & June. (There's an Italian blogger who has proposed this ID along with other identifications of pictured characters/photos with otherwise unseen characters. Has that person been active on this forum?) Obviously there's no particular evidence that she's supposed to be Daisy's sister, and it would have helped back up that assumption if AMJ had been pictured at the party. But she's a related female Duck of approximately the right age and appearance, and we don't have any other visual of Daisy's sister, so I'm going with that. Some unrelated internet-search mistake led to Daisy's sister being named Rosa, and some fans have adopted that name on the theory that the sisters' parents were fond of flower-names. Though Don Rosa would likely be annoyed to have Daisy's sister named after him!
Scrooge's relatives from W DD 179-01, from the left: ?, Moby Duck, HDL, Donald, Daisy, ? female (not Grandma because she also appears in the story with her usual look), Gladstone, ? (Whitewater?)
Another panel from the same story: Dimwitty Duck is also a member of Scrooge's family
Last panel from the same story, top left mysterious girl duck is at the family party! Daisy's relative??
It is curious that this is the only story I know of where Moby and Dimwitty are said to belong to the Duck family. I read somewhere that Pacifically Peaking states that Moby is Donald's cousin, but I couldn't hear a reference to that in the movie. Anyway, Dimwitty was like a replacement for Fethry in the US comics, so it makes sense that he is somehow related to Donald.
The female duck at the top left has been fan-identified as Daisy's sister, the mother of April, May & June. (There's an Italian blogger who has proposed this ID along with other identifications of pictured characters/photos with otherwise unseen characters. Has that person been active on this forum?) Obviously there's no particular evidence that she's supposed to be Daisy's sister, and it would have helped back up that assumption if AMJ had been pictured at the party. But she's a related female Duck of approximately the right age and appearance, and we don't have any other visual of Daisy's sister, so I'm going with that. Some unrelated internet-search mistake led to Daisy's sister being named Rosa, and some fans have adopted that name on the theory that the sisters' parents were fond of flower-names. Though Don Rosa would likely be annoyed to have Daisy's sister named after him!
Yes, I remember having read that as well, it should be on XanderAres' blog.
It is curious that this is the only story I know of where Moby and Dimwitty are said to belong to the Duck family.
Moby refers to Donald as his relative in Sea Dog's Holiday too. He says
Let's see... What lucky Duck relative shall I stay with this year?
Donald Duck! Heh! He should be tickled to have me!
I'll take a look at my tree and see where the other relatives you linked might fit. It's good that there's an old lady who's not Grandma Duck as there are a lot of cousins on the tree without a mother!
Speaking of cousins, my girlfriend got the Christmas issue of the Swedish Kalle Anka & co and found another one of Donald's cousins. Volfram, the owner of a waffle-shop in Turkey Town (?) (Kalkonköping in Swedish). At the time of writing, INDUCKS doesn't have a page for this story yet, but the story code appears to be D 2021-013.