I found these scans on the interwebs. I think they are from that one story that showed Cornelius and his wife. Anyways, is anyone of these relatives, or just random people?
I seem to remember they are only similar to Gus, Gyro and others, with no explicit mention of a parentage. But I'll have to check it again to be sure.
I've read the story, and the characters portayed in the seppia-colored panels are old inhabitants of Duckburg, of Cornelius era. Most of them are explicitly stated to be Founding Fathers of Duckburg, but probably the others are too, since they lived at the same time and contributed as much, if not more.
Interesting to note that there are 2 different Gyro-lookalikes, both living and thinkering during the foundation of Duckburg, totally unrelated. One is the one in the panels here, called Sommersby, who was like probably a lot of the others founders from Scotland. The other is Archie Meed and built a contraption in the towerbell which, paying a coin, would play a festive melody.
Genealogically speaking, the most interesting thing from this story is that we see two new (and probably never used in other stories) children of the Pig Mayor. In general the PM family had been left kinda vague, only recently with the introduction of recurring characters. But a lot of stories in the past goes in contraddiction between each others, showing different wifes (is he polygamous, or has he remarried many times, each time having new children?). I haven't delved more deeply in this rabbit hole because 1) there are so many stories listed to PM where is role is extremely marginal, and probably many more where he isn't even listed because he just cameo-d, and 2) because we have no confirmation that this is the same character in the different stories. It is more probable that they are different characters, since in-universe it has been shown that precedent mayors were pigs too (pt.4 of Zio Paperone e l'ultima avventura), which could be easily used to solve any incongruence that would arise.
This story mentions Donald's great uncle Happy Hester, as well as some unnamed relatives.
DONALD: "Why was he so happy?" SCROOGE: "He never knew about you!"
Hester is already on the tree as Fergus McDuck's brother. Thanks anyways.
Is it possible that this thread has exhausted every relative? On the other hand, I guess the most likely scenario is that there are more relatives hiding in obscure magazines that people on this forum do not have access to.
This has probably been said once in this thread... I don't bother to browse through all the pages... but as for Cornelius' wife, Don Rosa has once stated: "I treated Cornelius like all the ancestors of my tree. Note that only characters that appear in the upper branches have entirely defined family relationships and there is no room for additions. The characters displayed on the trunk are simply ancestors, and there are many other possible relatives in this area. Still, I don't think there was another son or daughter of Cornelius other than Clinton. And in the American pioneer spirit, I would say that Cornelius' wife was probably an Indian squaw... and I doubt they were married."
Based on this statement, Cornelius' wife is an unnamed Native American woman from some Native American tribe near Dugburg. However, Don Rosa has not provided any other information about this character. But in Early 2000s this Rosa's idea became popular at one point and the fans named Cornelius' wife as "Pluckahontas" (such as Donaldist Gilles Maurice). And although Rosa never drew that character, and she never appeared in any story, later she has only been seen in a fan tribute to Don Rosa that was drawn by an artist signed "M. W."
So I guess and speculate that she may be the same woman seen alongside Cornelius in one italian story ( inducks.org/story.php?c=I+TL+2229-1 ) where Cornelius Coot obtained some lands from the chief Laughing Duck after the pioneers had reached peace with the Natives. But only if Don Rosa's statement can be considered canonical.
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This has probably been said once in this thread... I don't bother to browse through all the pages... but as for Cornelius' wife, Don Rosa has once stated: "I treated Cornelius like all the ancestors of my tree. Note that only characters that appear in the upper branches have entirely defined family relationships and there is no room for additions. The characters displayed on the trunk are simply ancestors, and there are many other possible relatives in this area. Still, I don't think there was another son or daughter of Cornelius other than Clinton. And in the American pioneer spirit, I would say that Cornelius' wife was probably an Indian squaw... and I doubt they were married."
Based on this statement, Cornelius' wife is an unnamed Native American woman from some Native American tribe near Dugburg. However, Don Rosa has not provided any other information about this character. But in Early 2000s this Rosa's idea became popular at one point and the fans named Cornelius' wife as "Pluckahontas" (such as Donaldist Gilles Maurice). And although Rosa never drew that character, and she never appeared in any story, later she has only been seen in a fan tribute to Don Rosa that was drawn by an artist signed "M. W."
So I guess and speculate that she may be the same woman seen alongside Cornelius in one italian story ( inducks.org/story.php?c=I+TL+2229-1 ) where Cornelius Coot obtained some lands from the chief Laughing Duck after the pioneers had reached peace with the Natives. But only if Don Rosa's statement can be considered canonical.
Yes, I am familiar with Rosa's own interpretation of Cornelius. While I like to work in creators' ideas if they don't contradict anything else, Cornelius' wife being a squaw is in the end nothing more than Rosa's own head-canon. I personally tend to agree with Rosa's views on the Duck universe, but this is a Duck family tree that incorporates information from as many stories that we can find; not only Rosa's. When constructing this tree, I try to be as objective as possible, and I try to go only by what information is given to us in published stories. I try to avoid fan-made stuff, whether it be a name or fan art, as much as possible.
The name Miranda comes from S 83099 (read more about it here: generationduck.blogspot.com/2019/04/quel-indiana-della-nonna-di-nonna-papera.html#more ). I see no reason that the woman from I TL 2229-1 wouldn't be Cornelius' wife (are at least the mother of his children). For the purposes of this tree, she has been merged with Miranda. I have unfortunately been unable to read both of these stories, so I'm not super-sure about how well they mesh with Rosa's vision. But it seems Miranda was a pioneer, so it seems unlikely.
In the original version of S 83099, Miranda's full name is Miranda Duck, and the description at that blogpost is sadly accurate. It's an embarrassingly backward story—especially for 1983—with the so-called "Duckindians" portrayed as villainous savages, and Miranda's rescuer/husband leading a "daring raid."
The story also explains that Miranda and her husband built the farmhouse that Grandma Duck lives in today!
I'd really rather we lean toward any continuity but this one... it's also got Gyro with a talking, nephew-size helper-robot named Calvin who is treated like his regular sidekick (I'm guessing he appeared in other Nofziger stories, but I hope they're better than this...)
Meanwhile, I'm sure the fans who created the name "Pluckahontas" didn't intend for it to sound insulting, but... she really needs a better name...
At least in the Portuguese translation of Paperino e la disfida dei discendenti, appears two grandparents ("avô") of Scrooge; but I doubt this could be conciliated with all other sources, unless we assume that "avô"/"grandparent" is short for great-great...-grandparent.
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At least in the Portuguese translation of Paperino e la disfida dei discendenti, appears two grandparents ("avô") of Scrooge; but I doubt this could be conciliated with all other sources, unless we assume that "avô"/"grandparent" is short for great-great...-grandparent.
Nice find! However, about the "grandfather"-bit... The first one, Mc Patinhon, was alive during "the Battle of Monte Paper". I assume that's a parody name, since I believe "paper" means duck. However, I'm not sure which battle it's parodying, making it difficult to place it on a timeline. The presence of a sword seems to indicate that this is indeed a great-great (...) great-grandfather, rather than a father of one of Scrooge's parents. Similarly, avô #2 Mc Oconis is shown wearing a knight's armor and is said to have participated in tournaments. It seems like this guy belongs pretty far back in time too.
Anyways, for those who are familiar with the language, is there any indication in the names about whether these two are maternal or paternal ancestors of Scrooge?
I knew I had a Swedish copy of this story in my parents' attic, and sure enough: yesterday I found it! It's pretty anti-climactic, however... Daisy mentions that she is planning to go on a vacation to Italy with her aunt, named Kunigunda in the Swedish version.
At least in the Portuguese translation of Paperino e la disfida dei discendenti, appears two grandparents ("avô") of Scrooge; but I doubt this could be conciliated with all other sources, unless we assume that "avô"/"grandparent" is short for great-great...-grandparent.
In the original in italian those characters are called "avi" (which, as I have said before in this thread, means "direct ancestors" in italian). Technically they could be $mD's grandfathers, but given the flashbacks showing them (mcPaperon participated to the famous battle of Mount Paper [which yes, is probably a joke because Papero means Duck in italian], and mcOconis fought in tourneys like nobody else), both seem to have lived in an undefined medieval period.
About Rockerduck ones, you already have Long Rocker in your tree (but you gave him the 'Duck' surname, and, personally, I would have put him more back in the tree, maybe even outside the 1700 line), while you don't have sir Sterlingduck (Rk says he was an explorer, and by clothing he seems like he took place in the spanish explorations. But he was explicitly said to be english, so maybe it is just me not knowing the english explorers wardrobe choices)
De Kliekjeskoning references the Ducks' Aunt Kliek. A kliekje is the Dutch word for leftover, since this story was created for a special against food waste commissioned by the Ministry of Agriculture, Nature, and Food Quality.
Hi. It's summer and I have some extra time over. This resulted in diving deeper into Duck-comics, which in turn resulted in the following posts about Scrooge’s cousin Douglas, Scrooge’s grandfathers and great-grandfathers. These all turned out way longer than I intended.
Disclaimer or whatever: I am aware that people can inherit their surname from their mother (I myself have my mother’s surname rather than my father’s). However, for the purpose of this family tree and the following posts, I’ll be assuming that surnames travel via the father in the Duck-world.
Scrooge’s Cousin Douglas
Whitewater Duck is supposed to be Donald’s distant cousin, so therefore I disregard Don Rosa’s placement as Donald’s first cousin. Smarter than the Toughies instead suggests that Whitewater is the nephew of Scrooge’s cousin who is known as Douglas McDuck in American comics. In other words, Whitewater would be related to Donald through the McDuck-side of the family. As this has potential to fit better with Barks’ original intention, I prefer this approach. Although this thread is about a family tree where anything goes, I still would prefer if it was built on the foundation of a stable Barks-canon (I know that is oxymoronic, but bear with me). The question is only: How is Whitewater (and Douglas) related to Scrooge?
Scrooge refers to himself as “the last of the Clan McDuck” in The Old Castle's Secret. We see a potential origin of title in The Last of the Clan McDuck, were Fergus says that Scrooge might “make the name McDuck respectable again! He's our clan's last hope!” Scrooge being the last of the Clan is not about every other clan member being dead; it’s about him seemingly being the only one capable of making the name live on in the form of a descendant. (For the purposes of this post, we’ll have to ignore Gideon and Scrooge’s twin brother.)
The reason I bring this up is that, if Scrooge has multiple McDuck-cousins running about, why would Fergus think that Scrooge is the clan’s last hope? The only explanation I can think of (besides the fact that Don Rosa considers all of the McDuck cousins non-canonical) is that Fergus is unaware of their existence. For this to be true, no McDuck could have spawned from any of Fergus’ siblings, as he would definitely be aware of it. One option is that every McDuck cousin is in fact a second-cousin (or third- or more) of Scrooge, meaning that they were descended from an uncle of Fergus.
In Heirloom Watch, Scrooge inherits a watch from his grand-uncle Quagmire McDuck. However, the fact that Scrooge is the one inheriting indicates that Quagmire does not have any living offspring. (Of course, he could simply have included Scrooge in his will even if he does have living offspring.) At any rate, I think that Fergus would likely be aware if he had living first-cousins capable of allowing the name McDuck live on, since he appears to be very invested in it doing so. The further back in the family tree you go, the harder it is to keep track. I can buy that Fergus has lost contact with his grandfather’s siblings and their offspring. McDucks descending from such siblings are completely within reason. But then I realized that this would only work if Fergus was unaware of Douglas’ existence. I managed to track down a Swedish copy of Uncle Scrooge Visits Cousin, Douglas’ first appearance. It turns out that Scrooge and Douglas were prospecting together in the Yukon. In addition, Douglas implies that he met Fergus back in 1898 in Gold Foolery. The combination of all this simply does not make sense…
However, in the Swedish version of Uncle Scrooge Visits Cousin, we get the following interaction. Here's my own English translation of the Swedish version: Note that it is a plot point that Douglas shares his whole last name with Donald, as well as the first letter of his first name. (In the original Swedish, Donald is named “Kalle Anka” and Douglas is named “Konrad Anka”). Although Douglas is called “Douglas McDuck” in later English language stories, here he would have to be “Douglas Duck”. If we assume that “Duck” is Douglas’ true last name, the problem is solved: Fergus would be aware of Douglas' existence, but would not consider him to be a McDuck. Furthermore, it means that Whitewater Duck is the son of Douglas’ brother, rather than his sister, as Whitewater and Douglas are both named “Duck”.
So, with this new information, where does Douglas Duck fit into the tree? I think the best option would be if Douglas were the son of a sister of Fergus (for example, Scrooge’s Aunt Sarah, mentioned in ZD 62-08-12).
This option fits with Douglas still considering himself a McDuck in Gold Foolery, as his mother would have been one. In addition, Douglas mentions Scrooge’s “side of the family” while talking about Fergus, indicating that he is related to Scrooge through Fergus rather than Downy. Rosa’s authorial intent appears to have been that Titus “Dingus” and Molly only had three offspring, but this is never specifically stated in a story. Even Rosa’s The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck sketches only specifically say that the two had “3 sons”, but say nothing of daughters.
The natural follow-up question would be “who are Whitewater’s parents?” The best candidate for his father is probably Mazuma Duck (who is a cousin of Scrooge with the surname “Duck”). Like Douglas, Mazuma spent his life trying to become rich; the only difference being that Mazuma succeeded. As for Whitewater’s mother… no clue!