Yes, that's the only evidence I know in favor for Dimwitty's inclusion on the tree. For future reference in case some future Duck genealogist is reading this, the story in question is Birthday Booby Trap. I do wish someone could uncover more evidence one way or another regarding Dimwitty's genealogy, but like you, that's the most conclusive thing that I know of, and it's rather inconclusive, in fact.
Yeah, it would be nice if there was some more solid evidence on his inclusion. While I don't mind having Dimwitty on the tree, it's a little inconsistent with respect to other characters currently not on the tree. At the moment we have Dimwitty included in the tree, just based on this, while Gyro (and all Gyro's own relatives) are not on the tree, while there is actually more that connects Gyro to the Duck family and that there is for Dimwitty (not on how Gyro is exactly connected, but at least that he is connected).
Yes, that's the only evidence I know in favor for Dimwitty's inclusion on the tree. For future reference in case some future Duck genealogist is reading this, the story in question is Birthday Booby Trap. I do wish someone could uncover more evidence one way or another regarding Dimwitty's genealogy, but like you, that's the most conclusive thing that I know of, and it's rather inconclusive, in fact.
Yeah, it would be nice if there was some more solid evidence on his inclusion. While I don't mind having Dimwitty on the tree, it's a little inconsistent with respect to other characters currently not on the tree. At the moment we have Dimwitty included in the tree, just based on this, while Gyro (and all Gyro's own relatives) are not on the tree, while there is actually more that connects Gyro to the Duck family and that there is for Dimwitty (not on how Gyro is exactly connected, but at least that he is connected).
That's a good point that I hadn't really thought of! From my perspective, it makes more sense that Dimwitty would be kin than that Gyro would be, since he does have the surname "Duck" and looks a little bit more like Donald than Gyro does. Does anyone have a good list of times that it was implied in-universe that Gyro is a Duck family relative?
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Not many. The Danish (and maybe other Scandinavian?) Egmont comics called Gyro a cousin of Donald's in one or two early (1950s-era) back-cover ads. I don't think I've seen any other product or story make such a claim.
That's a good point that I hadn't really thought of! From my perspective, it makes more sense that Dimwitty would be kin than that Gyro would be, since he does have the surname "Duck" and looks a little bit more like Donald than Gyro does. Does anyone have a good list of times that it was implied in-universe that Gyro is a Duck family relative?
I don't have a complete list. But the two instances that I know of is in W DG 38-01, in which a Duck family tree is shown on which we also see Gyro's name. Image here. And it seems that Scrooge calls Gyro his nephew in I AT 299-A. But that story I do not own (and I don't speak Italian), so I don't know the context in which it is said. There might be also some stories in which the Duck relatives come together and where Gyro is then also present (like the Dimwitty case), but I don't remember which ones.
This site, disnistorie.jouwweb.nl/de-clan-mcduck, was mentioned in this thread a year or two ago, and now it was mentioned again in another thread. As the names are in Dutch, I failed to identify most of the mentioned relatives. However, this time I realized that there are sources at the bottom of the page.
No relatives of any sort in this story. It is a classical christmas misadventure for Fethry and DD, where they visit Lapland and find Father Christmas castle.
The lookalikes characters in this story are never stated to be ancestors of the current cast, at least in the original print in italian. Maybe they added the fact in some article or extract later?
Either way, the informations in this story would not be of use for the tree even then, because the story starts in "years 1000 more or less", and then jump forward of "150 years", explicitly stated. So at best it could be 1150, maybe 1200 max. Much much earlier than the 1700 line for the tree.
In this story, Jacobus Duck is mentioned. 100 years ago, he was a train conductor. Donald is Jacobus' achterkleinneef (= great-grandnephew). There is no picture of Jacobus in the story.
I read the Dutch translation. Donald is brought under hypnosis and then relives "his previous life", in which he is Donaldo, the apprentice of Leonarducko, in Florence around 1500. Donaldo is not said to be Donald's ancestor, unless one assumes that Donald can only relive the life of an ancestor and not of someone else. Anyway, it's too far back in time for this tree.
We already have an ancestor from this story on the tree, called Paperin de Canard. Not sure if that is his original name though.
Paperin de Canard is the name from the italian story (mentioned here). No idea if in the original danish is different, but I would say probably yes, cause I guess "Paperin" wouldn't make much sense for a danish reader.
Well do I have a New Year's treat for you - I got the sources for the final unknown characters from Gilles' tree, using a method that unexpectedly worked last time we were totally stumped: contacting Gilles himself!
It worked again!
Agathe (gma’s aunt) : D88084 Tobias von And : D4940
I also let him know this project was here, though he didn't comment on that.
Not many. The Danish (and maybe other Scandinavian?) Egmont comics called Gyro a cousin of Donald's in one or two early (1950s-era) back-cover ads. I don't think I've seen any other product or story make such a claim.
That's a good point that I hadn't really thought of! From my perspective, it makes more sense that Dimwitty would be kin than that Gyro would be, since he does have the surname "Duck" and looks a little bit more like Donald than Gyro does. Does anyone have a good list of times that it was implied in-universe that Gyro is a Duck family relative?
I don't have a complete list. But the two instances that I know of is in W DG 38-01, in which a Duck family tree is shown on which we also see Gyro's name. Image here. And it seems that Scrooge calls Gyro his nephew in I AT 299-A. But that story I do not own (and I don't speak Italian), so I don't know the context in which it is said. There might be also some stories in which the Duck relatives come together and where Gyro is then also present (like the Dimwitty case), but I don't remember which ones.
Thank you both for the list so far! Sounds... not definite, but if Dimwitty's appearance at a Duck family gathering in Birthday Booby Trap is enough to warrant him belonging on this tree, then maybe Gyro being on a Duck family tree in Family Fun is also enough to warrant his being worked into the tree somehow. Of course, it seems that this is the outlier in Duck comics and that most authors probably do not consider Donald and Gyro to really be related, but for the sake of this tree, I don't see why that story's positions should be ignored. In fact, it looks like Gyro is attending a family reunion for the "Duck clan" in that story, so I imagine that the author and/or artist of the story did indeed see Gyro as a Duck family member, with the tree in the story indicating that he's a biological member of the family and not just an "honorary uncle" for his closeness to them.
My instinct would be to connect Gyro to the Ducks via Gretchen Grebe, due to her somewhat Gyro-like appearance. Perhaps Gyro's maternal grandmother (whom I thought LP had an image for, but I don't see the image on the tree anymore) could be a Grebe and Gretchen's sister. This would make Botcho Coot first cousins with the somewhat-similar (at least visually) Euclid and would make Gyro a second cousin of Gus Goose and Cuthbert Coot as it stands on this tree currently. However, that doesn't really make him a "duck" by any means and doesn't make him any sort of nephew to Scrooge or cousin to Donald. This would make him Scrooge's brother-in-law's aunt's grandnephew, Grandma's sister-in-law's grandnephew, and Donald's grandaunt's grandnephew (grandaunt by marriage, that is). Any other suggestions for how Gyro might fit in?
Well do I have a New Year's treat for you - I got the sources for the final unknown characters from Gilles' tree, using a method that unexpectedly worked last time we were totally stumped: contacting Gilles himself!
It worked again!
Agathe (gma’s aunt) : D88084 Tobias von And : D4940
I also let him know this project was here, though he didn't comment on that.
Happy New Year, all!
Haha! Great news! That's awesome! A great milestone for this tree and for Duck genealogy before 2022 runs out. Glad you were able to get in touch with him!
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He sent me another tip that one of the two stories (he didn't specify which) has some little-known Beagle ancestors as well, if anyone's keeping track of that.
My instinct would be to connect Gyro to the Ducks via Gretchen Grebe, due to her somewhat Gyro-like appearance. Perhaps Gyro's maternal grandmother (whom I thought LP had an image for, but I don't see the image on the tree anymore) could be a Grebe and Gretchen's sister.
Ah, yes. When I updated the first post around Christmas, I also updated the Gyro tree to remove "Gyro's maternal grandmother". The reason for this is that she's from a story where Gyro is just playing a character. So it's not really Gyro himself and she's not really Gyro's grandmother. I figured that we should keep placeholders out of the tree and only keep confirmed relatives. I was about to remove Gladstone Gander of Basketville and other placeholders I can't remember at the moment too, but decided against it once I realized that the webpage-tree is the current primary version of the tree. So yeah, Gladstone Gander of Basketville and others should be removed from the webpage-tree.
The Grebe-connection sounds reasonable to me, although I wish there was more solid confirmation... Or rather, I wish that Gyro was related to the Ducks at all. Not every character has to be related to each other! Gyro is more interesting as a friend to the Ducks than a relative... Anyways, I think it's worth noting that Gilles Maurice connected Gyro via Gretchen Grebe in his tree too.
Apologies that it's taken so long, everybody - hopefully, it will have been worth the wait!
There are some changes to how the index is structured, so I thought I'd give a quick rundown:
Formerly, if I had the 'correct' name in contrast with what was on the website, I would mark it as such. Now, everything corresponds exactly to what's on the website - any 'real' names are in the appropriate slot. This should help to prevent any confusion.
I have added speculative surnames in green; I had initially only kept the official names before, but again, I felt this would be better for presentation, and would help to prevent any confusion.
As you know, there are several unnamed ducks; I have added brief descriptions of each one for the sake of clarity. ...Though there are two recent additions that I don't have descriptions for. D'oh. They'll be added next update.
I have added multiple sections. I finally got around to indexing the Gearloose family tree. I also indexed the Carioca family tree seen in this post... which seems to have been removed. If anyone has a backup, that would be great, but if not, just have a list of Zé's relatives, I suppose.
Finally, there is a section for Translations - this refers to 'relatives' that were only crated in translations. There are currently only two relatives, but as things stand, it seems we might be getting more additions very soon. On this note, I'll just add that I don't know how to class the McMallards/McMergansers at the moment - technically, they should be in the Orange 'Status Debated' category, but I'm not quite sure what's going on with them right now so I'll leave them be for this update.
I managed to eek this out just before the New Year - thanks to everyone for a wonderful year with these ducks, and let's have another one next year!
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Thanks for updating! However, for some reason I cannot open the spreadsheet. My access is denied. I don't know why. Did you give others permission to see it?
Thanks for updating! However, for some reason I cannot open the spreadsheet. My access is denied. I don't know why. Did you give others permission to see it?
...Oops.
Should be accessible now
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I love hearing about bizarre/obscure Disney works - recommendations welcome!
Another relative that is not on the tree yet, is Jeu de Boules, of whom Donald is a distant descendant according to H 2015-035. Jeu de Boules fought for the French emperor Napoledons in the Battle of Snaterloo. Jeu de Boules seems to have died in 1840. There is no picture of him in the story.
EDIT: the potrait of Jeu de Boules can actually be seen in the background of one of the other panels. I missed it before. Scan here.
Did anyone read any of the following stories? There might also be relatives here, but I don't have these stories.