This is gonna sound like an odd question, but did someone on this forum previously mention that there was a comic in which Zé was supposedly related to the Ducks? Not necessarily suggesting it be added to the tree, especially if it was a mistake or the like, but it's rattling around in my head and I'm trying to remember where it was from
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Time for a new update of the tree! You can find the newest version (version 8) on the website. Since the tree contains now quite a lot of generations, I added a timeline with some years to the left and right side of the tree. It should make it a little easier to see when each generation was approximately born. For this update, many new relatives have been added, some rearrangements have been made and more generations were added as well. These are the detailed changes:
Daisy’s great-grandmother from D 2012-052 was added as the mother of Daisy’s maternal grandmother.
Daisy’s great-great-grandfather from D 2012-052 was added as the father of the above.
Daisy’s ancestor from D 2012-052 was added as a parent of the above.
Daisy’s great-aunt Amelia Duckhart from H 2022-350 was added as the wife of a brother of Daisy’s maternal grandmother. Alinda van Duckem was added as a niece of Amelia.
Daisy’s aunt Evadne Drakesworth from D 2005-261 was added via the Wister branch. Rosie Duckworth was also added.
Jason Duck from W DAD 35-02 was added as the grandfather of the Jason Duck from W DAD 45-02.
Paperin and Paperinella from I MG 464-A were added as Daisy’s ancestors (via the O’Paper branch).
The unnamed aunt of Gus Goose from D 98101 was added as the wife of Sholto.
The unnamed mother of Dudley D. Duck, mentioned in W DD 136-01, was added.
Ludwig’s unnamed great-grandmother mentioned in W LVD 1-07 was added as the wife for Franz von Drake.
Donald’s ancestor Donaldo from D 99038 was added as an ancestor via the branch of Rufus’s wife.
Four relatives of Gumbo Gearloose from D 2011-110 were added.
Cornelius Coot’s great-grandfather’s great-grandfather from D 2011-001 was added.
Eibert Duck from H 2010-114 was added as the son of Tom Duck.
Elisabeth from D 2022-103 was added as the wife of Quagmire McDuck. Agathe, MacPaperon, MacHavaro’s unknown wife, Patinhes, uncle Fergus, “commander” McDuck, and Tobias were all moved to become children of Quagmire. Together with Argyle, these are now merged with the children of Quagmire on the family photo from the story. A 9th child (another daughter) was added as a new entry on the tree.
In order to create some common acestors of Donald and Daisy, their Duck branches were connected. So, Daisy’s ancestor (Daniel Duck’s grandfather) was made a brother of Donald’s ancestor (Tobias Duck). They have thus the duck on a ship from ZD 55-10-09 as their first common ancestor.
Paperino and Paperina from I TL 2892-5 were newly added as the paternal grandparents of the wife of the duck on the ship. Paperino’s uncle Paperone, his three nephews and his cousin were also attached via this branch.
Paperinetta and Paperin Black (as well as Paperinetta’s uncle) were moved to become the maternal grandparents of the wife of the duck on the ship.
In order to simplify the tree a bit, the wife of Paperon McPap is now a descendent of the shared Duck branch; and also Paperigo Paulin is a descendant of this branch.
Donald’s relatives (all generals from the past) mentioned in D 5570 were added. Napoleand was merged with the ancestor with the sabre; Vågehals was made a brother of Rufus Duck; and Maximiliand was made the father of the ancestor in the carriage. Gladstone’s relatives from the same story were also added: Haubitz as the father of Gastone; Givagt as the father of Haubitz; Granatchok as the father of Givagt; and Garder as the father of Lochbert.
Eggbert from D 95113 was renamed Dilbert, as this is his name in the English translation.
Johann from D 6190 was renamed Hanefjed.
Getrude Ganzenlever from D 2018-153 was renamed Gertrud Ente, changing her Dutch name to the Danish name.
Bugsy Duck from H 87048 was renamed Batty Duck, because that is the name used in the English translation.
Theobaldo from B 910212 was renamed Teobaldo and got a new scan.
Andedun from D 2031 was moved. She is now a sister of Red McPaper. Andreas from D 1187 was also moved, so he remains Andedun’s husband. The picture of Andreas’ hat was removed, so at the moment he has no portrait. The portrait of Andedun has remained.
Volfram Duck from D 2021-013 was moved to a generation older, as he is too old to be in the same generation as Donald. Ronald and Cosmo, who where in the tree as the children of Andreas, are now children of Volfram.
Fethry’s uncle Theobald from D 3074 was removed as he only exists in the German translation.
Webfoot McWaddle from W WDC 115-02 has been added to the tree as the husband of Evelyn. Webfoot was once already on the tree, but had been accidently removed. So, I placed him back.
The side branch of Panhandle Duck and Buckaroo was connected to the main Duck branch.
Of the two daughters of Clinton and Gertrude from D 2022-070; one of them is assumed to be Elvira, the other was merged with Elvira’s sister mentioned in W DAD 56-03.
A picture was added for Dorinda from D 97076.
Pictures were added for the relatives from D 88067.
The scans of some of the Cornelius Coot descendants from H 2011-362 were replaced.
The two 18th ghost century ancestors from D 2020-079 now have names: Jean Baptiste and Claudette Canard. Their positions in the tree have also been changed, as they are a married couple and not siblings. Moverover, they are not McDucks, but related to the McDuck clan, so they are now cousins of Locksley McDuck.
Various ancestor of the storia e Gloria della dinastia Paperi series were added.
Paperion Paperonies, his nephew Paperino “Filibustiere mascherato” and his three nephews from I TL 754-A were added as ancestors of Locksley McDuck’s wife. To make some space, Paper von Paperonen and his brother were moved, now being the parents-in-law of Angus McDuck from D 96322.
Paperin de la Scalogna, his uncle Paperon y Paperonios, his three nephews, and his cousin Fortunio Gastonete, from I TL 753-A have been added as ancestors of Paperion Paperonies. Don De Pato and Poncey De Loon are now also connected via this branch in order to have all these Spanish ancestors together.
Paperon McPaperon, his nephew Paul McPaperin and his three grandnephews from I TL 752-A were added as ancestors of Paperon y Paperonios.
The following additions are for the new generations:
Simon McDuck from D 2003-081 was added as the great-grandfather of Malcolm Matey McDuck.
“Black” Donald McDuck from D 91308S was added as the father of Simon McDuck.
Peatbog McDuck from D 2011-001 was added as the father of Black Donald McDuck
Quack McDuck from D 92316 was added as the grandfather of Peatbog.
Angus the Anvil from S 65141 was added as the father of Simon’s wife.
McPaper from I TL 1261-A was added as the grandfather of Gideon McPaper.
Columbust Duck from W LVD 3-03 was added as the father of Francis Duck. He has been merged with Columbus Duck from H 70dd08b.
Sooth Duck from W DD 81-03 was added as the father of Columbust Duck.
Donald’s ancestor on a horse from ZD 55-10-09 was added as the father of Sooth.
Donald’s knighted ancestor from ZD 55-10-09 was added as the father of the ancestor on the horse.
Three ancestors of Scrooge (a banker, a Native American and a King) from S 67004 were added by connecting them to the Spanish branch. The king is called Dagobert in Dutch. I don’t know about the original name (maybe just Scrooge?), the other two are unnamed.
Donaldin, Drachobert and the three nephews from I TL 2039-2 were added as ancestors via the Italian branch of the family. These are their German names, we still need the Italian ones.
Paperangiolo and his three nephews from I TL 2064-3 were also added via this Italian brach. Paperone was added as a brother of Simon McDuck.
Sterlingduck from I TL 1852-A was added as the grandfather of Archibaldo McRocker.
Don McPaperon from I TL 1910-A was added via the McPaperon branch. His uncle Dago McPaperon, and cousin Gus were also added. The family name is from the Italian version, but their first names are their German names. We still need their original names.
Count Duckesque, an ancestor of Scrooge, from I TL 1603-B, was added as a great-grandfather of Malcolm McDuck. The current count Duckesque was also added.
Looking at the "composite characters" page... Donald' great-grandfather has had a lot of names and identities, but the fact that he fought in the Civil War is REMARKABLY consistent. I assume coincidence, but an impressive one nonetheless!
All these similar-looking relatives reminded me of the Duck descendants in "Whatever Happened to Scrooge McDuck?".
Do we want to add relatives from future stories? It might be difficult to make them compatible, since each story portrays a different possible future. But then again, they are relatives...
On the top of my head, there's Chip Gearloose, Gyro's descendant from the year 3000.
I'm not sure what our policy was for including girlfriends, but Fethry's girlfriend Glorinha was a regular in Brazilian stories for a while. There's also Gyro's girlfriend Matilda, who also appeared in a few Brazilian stories.
All these similar-looking relatives reminded me of the Duck descendants in "Whatever Happened to Scrooge McDuck?".
Do we want to add relatives from future stories? It might be difficult to make them compatible, since each story portrays a different possible future. But then again, they are relatives...
On the top of my head, there's Chip Gearloose, Gyro's descendant from the year 3000.
I'm not sure what our policy was for including girlfriends, but Fethry's girlfriend Glorinha was a regular in Brazilian stories for a while. There's also Gyro's girlfriend Matilda, who also appeared in a few Brazilian stories.
The "rule" for inclusion of girlfriends is I believe that they need to have children and/or (are implied to) have married. I am not aware of any story in which Fethry and Glorinha have a child (similar as there is one in which Donald and Daisy have a child) or in which they got married, but if there actually is such a story, Glorinha could be included.
As for descendants from the future: maybe they can be considered if the story is not just a dream or so but a real travel into the future, and if the story implies that this is THE future and not just a possible future (at least within the canon of the story itself). I am not really aware of any future relatives that can be included in that way. Anyway, Chip is too far into the future to be able to fit on the tree. But his existence of course implies that Gyro has a future wife, but as far as I know there is not any story telling who that is. Or is there anything that connects Chip with Matilda?
Quick weigh in - excellent work on the tree! I'll get the spreadsheet sorted within the next few days - bit flat to the boards at the minute
Still waiting on most of my orders to come in; they're all in transit, so it shouldn't be much longer for most. I'm stopping with the orders for now, but I did, after some deep digging, manage to order one other one.
I can't remember the specific stories, but I believe one involves... Calamity someone? Ah, we'll have to see when it arrives, I suppose.
Resident autistic, diabetic duck fan.
I love hearing about bizarre/obscure Disney works - recommendations welcome!
Quick weigh in - excellent work on the tree! I'll get the spreadsheet sorted within the next few days - bit flat to the boards at the minute
Still waiting on most of my orders to come in; they're all in transit, so it shouldn't be much longer for most. I'm stopping with the orders for now, but I did, after some deep digging, manage to order one other one.
I can't remember the specific stories, but I believe one involves... Calamity someone? Ah, we'll have to see when it arrives, I suppose.
All these similar-looking relatives reminded me of the Duck descendants in "Whatever Happened to Scrooge McDuck?".
Do we want to add relatives from future stories? It might be difficult to make them compatible, since each story portrays a different possible future. But then again, they are relatives...
On the top of my head, there's Chip Gearloose, Gyro's descendant from the year 3000.
I'm not sure what our policy was for including girlfriends, but Fethry's girlfriend Glorinha was a regular in Brazilian stories for a while. There's also Gyro's girlfriend Matilda, who also appeared in a few Brazilian stories.
The "rule" for inclusion of girlfriends is I believe that they need to have children and/or (are implied to) have married. I am not aware of any story in which Fethry and Glorinha have a child (similar as there is one in which Donald and Daisy have a child) or in which they got married, but if there actually is such a story, Glorinha could be included.
As for descendants from the future: maybe they can be considered if the story is not just a dream or so but a real travel into the future, and if the story implies that this is THE future and not just a possible future (at least within the canon of the story itself). I am not really aware of any future relatives that can be included in that way. Anyway, Chip is too far into the future to be able to fit on the tree. But his existence of course implies that Gyro has a future wife, but as far as I know there is not any story telling who that is. Or is there anything that connects Chip with Matilda?
There's nothing connecting Chip with Matilda, that was just a separate thought. If necessary, future descendants could just be linked to one person (so Gyro only), while his girlfriend is to the side.
I seem to remember the girlfriend 'rule' coming up around the Trouwharts. This makes sense, it happened in the past. You wouldn't include Grandma's previous boyfriends just as you wouldn't include Goldie. But for the current generation, I don't know. If a character is established enough to have been used by different writers, I'm open to adding 'canon girlfriends' for select characters.
Is there such a thing as a 'canon' future? There isn't much of a canon past, other than Scrooge's exploits in the Klondike. If we can reconcile different great-grandfathers into one family tree, we should be able to do the same for different descendants.
Is there such a thing as a 'canon' future? There isn't much of a canon past, other than Scrooge's exploits in the Klondike. If we can reconcile different great-grandfathers into one family tree, we should be able to do the same for different descendants.
I certainly agree with this, as long as the future depicted is not just a vision or dream. If I understand correctly, Chip Gearloose definitely deserves to be included on the tree. I would have added him myself back in the day, if it wasn't for the fact that he will be born over a thousand years after Gyro, which would leave the tree with a lot of empty space. Maybe the connecting line between Gyro and Chip could have a little note attached to it saying something to the effect of "several generations later"? Aside from Chip, the only other knowledge of the Duck universe-future that I am aware of is the following:
- In the cartoon How to Have an Accident at Work, Donald is married to a woman who is presumably Daisy, and together they have a child. However, the tree is already reflecting this.
- There is also the cartoon Lucky Number, in which Huey, Dewey, and Louie are depicted as older; old enough to drive a car. This one is irrelevant to the tree, however.
- Finally, the only other instance of the future I can think of is Whatever Happened to Scrooge McDuck?, which was mentioned earlier. The story does involve descendants of the Duck family, but if I remember correctly, it is unclear whether these relate to Donald or his nephews. In addition, I cannot remember at the moment whether the future depicted is only one possible future or the definite future. The story does involve time travel, but I don't remember if there are any clues as to whether it is the kind that may alter the past (and therefore the future).
- Finally, the only other instance of the future I can think of is Whatever Happened to Scrooge McDuck?, which was mentioned earlier. [...] I cannot remember at the moment whether the future depicted is only one possible future or the definite future. The story does involve time travel, but I don't remember if there are any clues as to whether it is the kind that may alter the past (and therefore the future).
It absolutely is, to an extreme degree—it's a world that's constantly in flux due to time travelers repeatedly changing the past, with a robot acting as a museum guide because only her computerized brain can keep track of the constant alterations! So while I love the story's depictions of the Duck family's future, it's not definite.
- Finally, the only other instance of the future I can think of is Whatever Happened to Scrooge McDuck?, which was mentioned earlier. [...] I cannot remember at the moment whether the future depicted is only one possible future or the definite future. The story does involve time travel, but I don't remember if there are any clues as to whether it is the kind that may alter the past (and therefore the future).
It absolutely is, to an extreme degree—it's a world that's constantly in flux due to time travelers repeatedly changing the past, with a robot acting as a museum guide because only her computerized brain can keep track of the constant alterations! So while I love the story's depictions of the Duck family's future, it's not definite.
Yeah, so we cannot even be sure that the descendants of the ducks that we see in the story, still exist at the end of the story
Unfortunately not—it's actually a terrifying concept of the future, though I didn't consider it at the time we worked on the story (and... to be fair, the characters living in it seem used to it...)
Even if we choose not to bring the future descendants into the tree, maybe Alquackskey can still keep track of them in his files. Here's what a few searches turned up...
In 60 jaar DD (1994), Donald ends up in a coma for 30 years. We meet an elderly Jones, the elderly Beagle Boys, and an elderly Gus Goose, who now runs Grandma's farm. Gus hired his cousin/nephew (Dutch isn't very clear on this) Gerrit Gans (Gary Goose) to work at the farm. We also meet an elderly Gladstone, who became unlucky after marrying Daisy. We see a son and a daughter. However, it turns out that all of this was a dream.
Mickey 2.0 (2020) follows the adventures of Mickey 2.0, Mickey's great-nephew, in the future. Morty and Ferdie put in an appearance as elderly men. Curiously, he's their nephew too, so I'm not sure who his parents are...
Norbert, Mickey's great grandnephew in the present day, turns up in La Jeunesse de Mickey (2016) by Tebo.
In the series La nuova Storia e Gloria della Dinastia dei Paperi (2017), we meet future relatives of the Ducks in the years 2117, 2217, 2317, 2417, 2517, and 2617. I'm not sure if this timeline stays in place, but I think it does.
We visit Duckburg in the year 2993 in Zio Paperone e l'odissea nello strazio (1993), where frog people rule the world. A hologram from the year 2384 of Leonard Pitagorik, Gyro's descendant, explains that the world of his time was doomed. We also meet the current incarnation of Gyro, Rotella.