Should Charlie Coot, his son Custer and uncle Clarence be included on the tree? They are from D 98293. While they are not literally said to be related to Cornelius Coot, I think they are intended to be. When Charlie is talking to his son he says: "You know very well there is nothing wrong with being a Coot. Many great scientists and explorers were Coots. Why, it was a Coot that founded..." and then he is interupted by Mickey. Scan here.
I'd definitely interpret this as a relative - it could be interpreted in two ways. Either he's referring to being a Coot in general, or a Coot as in the family. The fact that there's a prominent focus on the mailbox with their surname suggests the latter - and the indication of it being a Coot that founded obviously implies Cornelius Coot. Seeing as they're most likely in Mouseton, it would make sense that it's not quite common knowledge. Plus, we know that many Coots, like Johannes, were explorers - it's no concrete confirmation, but it makes more sense than not.
Good find!
Also, I'd imagine you have access to the full issue, but if you don't, uncle Clarence does indeed appear and I could get pictures later today
I'd definitely interpret this as a relative - it could be interpreted in two ways. Either he's referring to being a Coot in general, or a Coot as in the family. The fact that there's a prominent focus on the mailbox with their surname suggests the latter - and the indication of it being a Coot that founded obviously implies Cornelius Coot. Seeing as they're most likely in Mouseton, it would make sense that it's not quite common knowledge. Plus, we know that many Coots, like Johannes, were explorers - it's no concrete confirmation, but it makes more sense than not.
Good find!
Also, I'd imagine you have access to the full issue, but if you don't, uncle Clarence does indeed appear and I could get pictures later today
Yes, I have access to the other pages as well.
Also, slightly unrelated - if I have clearer scans of some characters, but the current ones are fine, should I upload them?
I have proper access to a scanner now, so I could upload clearer scans of Dondorado and Paperin Kid if necessary. Plus, I have the set of stories from which Frederico Von Pato, Professor Pardalto et al appear, and I think some might be slightly higher resolution.
None would be massive improvements or anything, but if it would be worth scanning them I could do so
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Also, slightly unrelated - if I have clearer scans of some characters, but the current ones are fine, should I upload them?
I have proper access to a scanner now, so I could upload clearer scans of Dondorado and Paperin Kid if necessary. Plus, I have the set of stories from which Frederico Von Pato, Professor Pardalto et al appear, and I think some might be slightly higher resolution.
None would be massive improvements or anything, but if it would be worth scanning them I could do so
It's not necessary I think, but if there is any of these of which you want to have the portrait improved in the tree, you can of course provide the scan, then I will change it.
In I TL 216-AP there is a look-a-like of Scrooge (Donald and HDL even initially think it is Scrooge himself), who is a pirate in the 17th century. At the end of the story he is said to be an ancestor of Scrooge, but his name is never mentioned (at least not in the English translation). Does he have a name in the Italian original?
In I TL 216-AP there is a look-a-like of Scrooge (Donald and HDL even initially think it is Scrooge himself), who is a pirate in the 17th century. At the end of the story he is said to be an ancestor of Scrooge, but his name is never mentioned (at least not in the English translation). Does he have a name in the Italian original?
I don't know which English version you're reading, but I've just gone through the Irish publication:
So, the Scrooge look-a-like mentions a 'degenerate great-great grandfather' who lost all of his treasure on dice
As for the Scrooge look-a-like, his name is... Scrooge. One of the Beagle Boy look-a-likes refers to him as 'Old Scrooge', and later Donald refers to him as 'Captain Scrooge', which Scrooge doesn't object to.
That being said, there's no mention in my version of him being a relative - the closest thing is, at the end, Jack Tar (The Ghost) says that "That Scrooge of Scrooges you met, after many adventures, managed to recover the treasure and added it to his existing wealth!"
I can upload scans of the relevant scenes if necessary
EDIT: Just looked at your scans - the quote I mentioned above is the same scene where your version talks about the ancestor of Scrooge McDuck.
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In I TL 216-AP there is a look-a-like of Scrooge (Donald and HDL even initially think it is Scrooge himself), who is a pirate in the 17th century. At the end of the story he is said to be an ancestor of Scrooge, but his name is never mentioned (at least not in the English translation). Does he have a name in the Italian original?
I don't know which English version you're reading, but I've just gone through the Irish publication:
So, the Scrooge look-a-like mentions a 'degenerate great-great grandfather' who lost all of his treasure on dice
As for the Scrooge look-a-like, his name is... Scrooge. One of the Beagle Boy look-a-likes refers to him as 'Old Scrooge', and later Donald refers to him as 'Captain Scrooge', which Scrooge doesn't object to.
That being said, there's no mention in my version of him being a relative - the closest thing is, at the end, Jack Tar (The Ghost) says that "That Scrooge of Scrooges you met, after many adventures, managed to recover the treasure and added it to his existing wealth!"
I can upload scans of the relevant scenes if necessary
EDIT: Just looked at your scans - the quote I mentioned above is the same scene where your version talks about the ancestor of Scrooge McDuck.
Thanks. I read the Digital Comics version. But I just realized that he is I think the same one as Blackbeak from S 70215, that we already have on the tree. I mean, both drawn by Luciano Bottaro, and look how similar they are.
Would only mean that we need to we need to shift Blackbeak to a bit older generation, as this one from I TL 216-AP lived in the 17th century (and not the beginning of the 18th century).
As for the Scrooge look-a-like, his name is... Scrooge. One of the Beagle Boy look-a-likes refers to him as 'Old Scrooge', and later Donald refers to him as 'Captain Scrooge', which Scrooge doesn't object to.
I didn't find the 'Old Scrooge' reference in my version, but one of the Beagle Boys indeed refers to him once as Scrooge (while he is singing).
That being said, there's no mention in my version of him being a relative - the closest thing is, at the end, Jack Tar (The Ghost) says that "That Scrooge of Scrooges you met, after many adventures, managed to recover the treasure and added it to his existing wealth!"
I also checked the German translation, and it confirms that he is an ancestor of Scrooge, so I think it is your Irish version that was changed a bit here.
In I TL 216-AP there is a look-a-like of Scrooge (Donald and HDL even initially think it is Scrooge himself), who is a pirate in the 17th century. At the end of the story he is said to be an ancestor of Scrooge, but his name is never mentioned (at least not in the English translation). Does he have a name in the Italian original?
Does anyone have the original Italian version of I AT 325-A, which is a parody on Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde? I read both the English and the German translation (the latter is actually indexed as D AT 325-A on INDUCKS), but they confuse me a bit. The story contains a (distant) relative of Scrooge called Lord Duckson-McDuck in English, of whom Scrooge inherited a house in England. The story, in a flashback to the 19th century, also has other relatives (basically look-a-likes of Scrooge, Donald, Gus, Daisy and Elvira), but the English and German version contradict eachother on how they are all related. So, the Italian original would be needed for clarity.
Does anyone have the original Italian version of I AT 325-A, which is a parody on Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde? I read both the English and the German translation (the latter is actually indexed as D AT 325-A on INDUCKS), but they confuse me a bit. The story contains a (distant) relative of Scrooge called Lord Duckson-McDuck in English, of whom Scrooge inherited a house in England. The story, in a flashback to the 19th century, also has other relatives (basically look-a-likes of Scrooge, Donald, Gus, Daisy and Elvira), but the English and German version contradict eachother on how they are all related. So, the Italian original would be needed for clarity.
I don't have access to the story, but is this page from Paperpedia any help?
From what I can see on this page, the names are as follows: Donald: Donald Paper Scrooge: Lord Paperyon Gus: Ciccio Daisy: Lady Paperyne Grandma: Nonna Paperyona
From the same page: Lord Paperyon is Donald Paper's uncle Lady Paperyne is a nice of Lord Paperyon Nonna Paperyona is likely to be Donald Paper's grandmother (The page has two instances where she's referred to as 'lo Nonna' - which would typically be a way of saying that she's his grandmother, but the fact that it's capitalized gives me pause) The page doesn't specify Ciccio's relation to anybody
As for the relation to the present day relatives, all it specifies is that Scrooge got an inheritance from Paperyon
I tried to find more info online, and did find one scan that confirms Paperyon's name, and another confirming that he inherited a Nineteenth Century English Villa.
Apologies that I couldn't offer any more - hopefully that tracks with one of the versions!
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Does anyone have the original Italian version of I AT 325-A, which is a parody on Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde? I read both the English and the German translation (the latter is actually indexed as D AT 325-A on INDUCKS), but they confuse me a bit. The story contains a (distant) relative of Scrooge called Lord Duckson-McDuck in English, of whom Scrooge inherited a house in England. The story, in a flashback to the 19th century, also has other relatives (basically look-a-likes of Scrooge, Donald, Gus, Daisy and Elvira), but the English and German version contradict eachother on how they are all related. So, the Italian original would be needed for clarity.
I don't have access to the story, but is this page from Paperpedia any help?
From what I can see on this page, the names are as follows: Donald: Donald Paper Scrooge: Lord Paperyon Gus: Ciccio Daisy: Lady Paperyne Grandma: Nonna Paperyona
From the same page: Lord Paperyon is Donald Paper's uncle Lady Paperyne is a nice of Lord Paperyon Nonna Paperyona is likely to be Donald Paper's grandmother (The page has two instances where she's referred to as 'lo Nonna' - which would typically be a way of saying that she's his grandmother, but the fact that it's capitalized gives me pause) The page doesn't specify Ciccio's relation to anybody
As for the relation to the present day relatives, all it specifies is that Scrooge got an inheritance from Paperyon
I tried to find more info online, and did find one scan that confirms Paperyon's name, and another confirming that he inherited a Nineteenth Century English Villa.
Apologies that I couldn't offer any more - hopefully that tracks with one of the versions!
It helps a bit, but I think the full Italian version would be necessary to fill in the specifics. This is what confuses me:
- In the English version Scrooge inherits the house from Lord Duckson-McDuck. Scrooge tells that this is a distant relative of him and that one of Lord Duckson's descendants emigrated to Duckburg, but left the house to Scrooge. In the same panels in the German version, Scrooge inherits it from Lord Duckwood, who is an ancestor of him who lived more than 200 years ago and that Scrooge is the only living descendant of that branch of the family. It's not really explained why Scrooge would inherit it now, while the ancestor lived 200 years ago, but this ancestor is specifically said to have been the previous owner. Seemingly the house was abandoned for all that time.
- When we go to the flashback, we see a Scrooge look-a-like who is called Lord Duckson-McDuck in English (so the same name as of whom Scrooge inherited the house), but in German the Scrooge look-a-like is suddenly called Lord Dagodick (and no Lord Duckwood appears in the flasback...).
- At least in both the English and German version, the Scrooge look-a-like has a nephew (Doctor Donald Duckell in English; Doktor Duckhill in German) who is specifically said to be an ancestor of our Donald.
- The Elvira look-a-like is called grandma by both Donald Duckell and by Gus. Every letter is capitalized in the English version so I cannot deduce anything from that. But interestingly the word "Grandma" is also used in the German version (so not a German translation of this word, the English word is used), which suggests that it is a name or a title, not necessarily a family connection.
- The Daisy look-a-like has in the English version the same surname as the Scrooge look-a-like (she is called Lady Duckson-McDuck), suggesting that she is related. However, when talking to Donald Duckell, she refers to Lord Duckson-McDuck as "your uncle" not "our uncle". In the German version (where is she called Lady Daisybeth) she calls Dagodick however her uncle.
- No family relation between Donald Duckell and Lady Duckson-McDuck is specified in the English version. Donald Duckell calls her "milady" when talking to her. However in the German version he says to her "liebste Kusine" (dearest cousin).
- Note however that they (Donald Duckell, his uncle, the Daisy look-a-like, Gus and Grandma) all live in the same house.
After that, I'll be taking a break - the only exception is that I'm still hunting for that 'Patilludo versus Platiño' story, though I haven't seen a trace of it anywhere online, so it's not likely that I'll be picking that one up any time soon
Seeing how you weren't likely to turn this one up any time soon, I went ahead and got in touch with Julieta, a fan from Argentina. She was quick to respond, and very helpful indeed. Here's what she wrote me:
This Platiño character (pronouced /pla-'tee-neeo/) was created by Luis Destuet (1920-2002), the first South American artist to draw in the first Disney comic magazine in Argentina, El Pato Donald. In Spanish, the word plata means both silver (metal) and money (cash), and platino (with an N not an Ñ), platinum. So it's clear where his name comes from. He looks like Scrooge, but his sideburns are black and he's got a moustache. He's introduced as Scrooge's millonaire, generous and charitative cousin who comes to pay a visit to his family after twenty years. They lived together when they were young, "we were like brothers"-Scrooge says. They used to work during the day, Platiño as shoeblack and Scrooge collecting metal scrap. In the evening they would divide profits, but Platiño would always spend his money before. So they split. In the story, Platiño gives expensive presents to HDL, Donald, Daisy and Gladstone and donations for the people in Duckburg. His tremendous popularity makes Scrooge jealous. They start a competition on who can give more donations.
After that, I'll be taking a break - the only exception is that I'm still hunting for that 'Patilludo versus Platiño' story, though I haven't seen a trace of it anywhere online, so it's not likely that I'll be picking that one up any time soon
Seeing how you weren't likely to turn this one up any time soon, I went ahead and got in touch with Julieta, a fan from Argentina. She was quick to respond, and very helpful indeed. Here's what she wrote me:
This Platiño character (pronouced /pla-'tee-neeo/) was created by Luis Destuet (1920-2002), the first South American artist to draw in the first Disney comic magazine in Argentina, El Pato Donald. In Spanish, the word plata means both silver (metal) and money (cash), and platino (with an N not an Ñ), platinum. So it's clear where his name comes from. He looks like Scrooge, but his sideburns are black and he's got a moustache. He's introduced as Scrooge's millonaire, generous and charitative cousin who comes to pay a visit to his family after twenty years. They lived together when they were young, "we were like brothers"-Scrooge says. They used to work during the day, Platiño as shoeblack and Scrooge collecting metal scrap. In the evening they would divide profits, but Platiño would always spend his money before. So they split. In the story, Platiño gives expensive presents to HDL, Donald, Daisy and Gladstone and donations for the people in Duckburg. His tremendous popularity makes Scrooge jealous. They start a competition on who can give more donations.
I know a lot of people have specific things or characters that they want to know more about - for the longest time, mine was the ever-elusive Platiño; getting this clear outline of his character, as well as a cover image (and a confirmation on him, to boot!) is more than I could have hoped for!
I still haven't properly updated the spreadsheet, but with this scan, we can officially mark Platiño as properly verified.
Thanks so much to both you and Julieta - this is an absolutely stellar find!
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Apologies to double-post, just wanted to check something as I move forward with the index:
Checking H 2010-114, where Eibert is supposedly from. INDUCKS page Is Eibert the one mentioned on the first page that can be seen on the INDUCKS scan?
It's hard to make out, but Donald mentions an 'achterachterachterneef' Krelis, followed by something that's capitalized.
Just wanting to verify the name Eibert, as the name following Krelis seen on INDUCKS doesn't resemble Eibert to me (Though I could just be struggling to see it correctly)
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