Ooh, I remember reading about History and Glory on the old Disney Comics Forum! Was kind of similar to Life and Times except it tried to introduce a Marvel/DC-style floating timeline, right? So instead of Scrooge himself, it was his grandfather who was the Mississippi keelboater, his father who struck it rich in the Klondike, etc. I kind of prefer Rosa's Ducks-as-historical-figures approach, partly because I'll admit I'm biased because Rosa was my first Duck-writer I read, but also because Scrooge's Klondike wealth being inherited doesn't really seem right to me for whatever reason.
But if you like your Ducks as modern-day characters it's an interesting fix.
In the 2017 DuckTales reboot, Bubba is the ancestor of the McDuck Clan, Webby is Scrooge's daughter/clone, May and June are her clones, and she is actually April. ducktales.fandom.com/wiki/Category:McDuck_Family
In the 2017 DuckTales reboot, Bubba is the ancestor of the McDuck Clan, Webby is Scrooge's daughter/clone, May and June are her clones, and she is actually April. ducktales.fandom.com/wiki/Category:McDuck_Family
Yeah, I know, but I think we better keep April, May and June as the daughters of Daisy's sister, as they originally are...
Anyway, clones should I think not be put on the tree at all. Otherwise, there are actually quite a lot of stories in which Gyro makes some (temporary) clones of other relatives.
In the 2017 DuckTales reboot, Bubba is the ancestor of the McDuck Clan, Webby is Scrooge's daughter/clone, May and June are her clones, and she is actually April. ducktales.fandom.com/wiki/Category:McDuck_Family
Yeah, I know, but I think we better keep April, May and June as the daughters of Daisy's sister, as they originally are...
Anyway, clones should I think not be put on the tree at all. Otherwise, there are actually quite a lot of stories in which Gyro makes some (temporary) clones of other relatives.
I more-or-less agree with this; I think that clones fall into the same category as adopted characters - it opens up a specific kind of ambiguity that would be very problematic for this tree.
For one, it's not a clear level of relation - would a clone of Gyro be counted as his brother? If Gyro made the clone, would he therefore be the clone's parent? What if someone else used cloning technology - should that then make that person the parent? In which case, if it's not an already documented Duck relative, do we have to add all of their relatives too? I don't think clones are an inherently bad idea, but at most, they could maybe get another page - but they would allow for way too many problems that could complicate the current tree far beyond what it's supposed to be.
Also, separate note - regarding 'Patilludo versus Platiño', I've seen some listings on MercadoLibre Argentina for issues 777 and 778. They're not the issues that were mentioned previously (773-776), but would it be worth inquiring further into these listings? I don't have an account myself, but if anyone else did, it might be worth asking if the story is included in either one
Finally, another book came in today - one of the last. I mightn't be able to get any scans uploaded tonight, as it has a few stories not mentioned here so I'd have to look through it, but I'll upload the new info as soon as I can
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Ooh, remembered one more character from the Gilles tree that I can't recall seeing discussed here. He's not a mystery - we know exactly what story he's from - and he's technically on the tree as a composite, but I thought it might be worth mentioning that the story that has "Sciupone"/"Wasteful" McDuck features another incarnation of Rockerduck's granddad, simply named John. Naturally, he has the same relationship with Wasteful that his latter-day namesake does with Scrooge, because ducks reincarnate or something I guess.
Sad update: The book I got, Piú Disney 41, doesn't seem to have any undocumented relatives in it.
I TL 1918-AP stars Paperin Pestello, but there's nothing linking him to the Duck family. It's never stated at any point that any of the characters are ancestors of the modern day cast.
I TL 2311-6 is a Donald the Paladin story, and he's already known.
I TL 2031-3 isn't about relatives - I'll do a more thorough read later, but it's not a relative themed story.
I TL 1429-B is a film that Donald wrote, and he doesn't mention having based it off of any ancestors or anything.
I TL 1852-A is already documented.
I TL 1099-A is a standard story about a Medieval Fair, no relatives.
I TL 2453-2 isn't stated to have any relatives - however, it is slightly possible. The story features multiple expies in the year 1614. What strikes me as odd are the names of two of them - the Scrooge expy is known simply as McPaperon, and the Donald expy is referred to by the HDL expies as 'Zio McPaperin'. It strikes me because of I TL 752-A, which also has a Scrooge expy named McPaperon with a Donald expy nephew named McPaperin. That's nothing concrete, but if that would be enough to go on, I could upload scans and the like
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Sad update: The book I got, Piú Disney 41, doesn't seem to have any undocumented relatives in it.
I TL 1918-AP stars Paperin Pestello, but there's nothing linking him to the Duck family. It's never stated at any point that any of the characters are ancestors of the modern day cast.
I TL 2311-6 is a Donald the Paladin story, and he's already known.
I TL 2031-3 isn't about relatives - I'll do a more thorough read later, but it's not a relative themed story.
I TL 1429-B is a film that Donald wrote, and he doesn't mention having based it off of any ancestors or anything.
I TL 1852-A is already documented.
I TL 1099-A is a standard story about a Medieval Fair, no relatives.
I TL 2453-2 isn't stated to have any relatives - however, it is slightly possible. The story features multiple expies in the year 1614. What strikes me as odd are the names of two of them - the Scrooge expy is known simply as McPaperon, and the Donald expy is referred to by the HDL expies as 'Zio McPaperin'. It strikes me because of I TL 752-A, which also has a Scrooge expy named McPaperon with a Donald expy nephew named McPaperin. That's nothing concrete, but if that would be enough to go on, I could upload scans and the like
Well that's a shame. You can post scans if you want to of course!
You said this was "one of the last" of the trove you ordered. What still remains?
Sad update: The book I got, Piú Disney 41, doesn't seem to have any undocumented relatives in it.
I TL 1918-AP stars Paperin Pestello, but there's nothing linking him to the Duck family. It's never stated at any point that any of the characters are ancestors of the modern day cast.
I TL 2311-6 is a Donald the Paladin story, and he's already known.
I TL 2031-3 isn't about relatives - I'll do a more thorough read later, but it's not a relative themed story.
I TL 1429-B is a film that Donald wrote, and he doesn't mention having based it off of any ancestors or anything.
I TL 1852-A is already documented.
I TL 1099-A is a standard story about a Medieval Fair, no relatives.
I TL 2453-2 isn't stated to have any relatives - however, it is slightly possible. The story features multiple expies in the year 1614. What strikes me as odd are the names of two of them - the Scrooge expy is known simply as McPaperon, and the Donald expy is referred to by the HDL expies as 'Zio McPaperin'. It strikes me because of I TL 752-A, which also has a Scrooge expy named McPaperon with a Donald expy nephew named McPaperin. That's nothing concrete, but if that would be enough to go on, I could upload scans and the like
Well that's a shame. You can post scans if you want to of course!
You said this was "one of the last" of the trove you ordered. What still remains?
The main reason I held off on posting scans is because it would probably be better not to clutter the thread with characters that aren't actually relatives - Paperin Pestello could be, but nothing in the story actually links him to the family, though I'd need to reread it to be sure. Like, I'd genuinely love to see Paperin Pestello counted as a relative because it would tie in very nicely with I MG 464-A, but again, there's very little to even remotely suggest that Paperin is an ancestor, sadly. Plus, the ending has Paperin landing in America a little before Columbus - I don't think that would work too well with the current tree.
As for what's left, it's just the two Minni & Company issues, plus the book that has the Calamity Daisy story (Though that one will probably take a while - it has been dispatched, but it will probably be stuck in customs for a while)
After that, I'll be taking a break - the only exception is that I'm still hunting for that 'Patilludo versus Platiño' story, though I haven't seen a trace of it anywhere online, so it's not likely that I'll be picking that one up any time soon
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More medieval McDucks: Das Gespensterschloß mentions Angus McDuck (c. AD 1250), who kept his treasury in the wine cellar, and his ancestor, Shaun McDuck, who was fond of bagpipes. This is based off the latest Dutch printing, I wasn't able to get ahold of the German original.
More medieval McDucks: Das Gespensterschloß mentions Angus McDuck (c. AD 1250), who kept his treasury in the wine cellar, and his ancestor, Shaun McDuck, who was fond of bagpipes. This is based off the latest Dutch printing, I wasn't able to get ahold of the German original.
Disney comic writers try not to name an ancestor 'Angus' challenge [IMPOSSIBLE]
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More medieval McDucks: Das Gespensterschloß mentions Angus McDuck (c. AD 1250), who kept his treasury in the wine cellar, and his ancestor, Shaun McDuck, who was fond of bagpipes. This is based off the latest Dutch printing, I wasn't able to get ahold of the German original.
Disney comic writers try not to name an ancestor 'Angus' challenge [IMPOSSIBLE]
Until recently, it was common for families to recycle names from previous generations onto their children. Different regions had different naming patterns, but the practice was widespread. This is a helpful genealogical tool for reconstructing families where the data is insufficient, to determine a common ancestor or to separate the families of cousins who married into the same families (not at all uncommon at a time when social networks were local and the number of well-to-do families was limited!).
Slight correction: it was Angus who was into bagpipes, so much so that he invested his fortune into them!
Disney comic writers try not to name an ancestor 'Angus' challenge [IMPOSSIBLE]
Until recently, it was common for families to recycle names from previous generations onto their children. Different regions had different naming patterns, but the practice was widespread. This is a helpful genealogical tool for reconstructing families where the data is insufficient, to determine a common ancestor or to separate the families of cousins who married into the same families (not at all uncommon at a time when social networks were local and the number of well-to-do families was limited!).
Slight correction: it was Angus who was into bagpipes, so much so that he invested his fortune into them!
Should Charlie Coot, his son Custer and uncle Clarence be included on the tree? They are from D 98293. While they are not literally said to be related to Cornelius Coot, I think they are intended to be. When Charlie is talking to his son he says: "You know very well there is nothing wrong with being a Coot. Many great scientists and explorers were Coots. Why, it was a Coot that founded..." and then he is interupted by Mickey. Scan here.
Should Charlie Coot, his son Custer and uncle Clarence be included on the tree? They are from D 98293. While they are not literally said to be related to Cornelius Coot, I think they are intended to be. When Charlie is talking to his son he says: "You know very well there is nothing wrong with being a Coot. Many great scientists and explorers were Coots. Why, it was a Coot that founded..." and then he is interupted by Mickey. Scan here.
I'd definitely interpret this as a relative - it could be interpreted in two ways. Either he's referring to being a Coot in general, or a Coot as in the family. The fact that there's a prominent focus on the mailbox with their surname suggests the latter - and the indication of it being a Coot that founded obviously implies Cornelius Coot. Seeing as they're most likely in Mouseton, it would make sense that it's not quite common knowledge. Plus, we know that many Coots, like Johannes, were explorers - it's no concrete confirmation, but it makes more sense than not.
Good find!
Also, I'd imagine you have access to the full issue, but if you don't, uncle Clarence does indeed appear and I could get pictures later today
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