Aah, I didn't think of that! However, the problem with this theory is that Pedersen's tree doesn't feature the other McDuck ancestors who appeared in the same Taliaferro strip. If he placed Oogbog on the tree, he would have placed the others as "Inventor of the Flintlock Musket" and "Inventor of the Native American boat thingy".
On a related note, is every ancestor on Pedersen's tree represented on our tree? I believe I added every post-1700-ancestors back in the day, but with this new "ancient expansion" maybe trees such as Pedersen's are worth a second look. (I still don't know who McHyre is!)
That's also a fair point - it's possible, albeit improbable, that Pedersen was only vaguely aware of ZD 60-07-17, and that's why he was only aware of Oogbog? There are explanations, but I'll admit that each one does raise several further questions.
Honestly, I do think you're right in that this warrants further investigation regardless!
As for Pedersen's tree, I definitely think there are some characters not present - I'll admit, my personal research only extended as far as what was in the article, so there's definitely more to be gleaned from the tree itself!
There should be an index belonging to Pedersen's tree. Maybe that index, published in DDF(R)appet #7, gives some more information on where the entries on the tree come from.
That's also a fair point - it's possible, albeit improbable, that Pedersen was only vaguely aware of ZD 60-07-17, and that's why he was only aware of Oogbog? There are explanations, but I'll admit that each one does raise several further questions.
Honestly, I do think you're right in that this warrants further investigation regardless!
As for Pedersen's tree, I definitely think there are some characters not present - I'll admit, my personal research only extended as far as what was in the article, so there's definitely more to be gleaned from the tree itself!
There should be an index belonging to Pedersen's tree. Maybe that index, published in DDF(R)appet #7, gives some more information on where the entries on the tree come from.
Is there?
I spent a good chunk of the night trying to figure out who's who myself
I might still upload my findings? I don't know if anyone has access to DDF(R)appet #7 - I don't know how to access a copy myself - but it might help to narrow down the search if nothing else?
Resident autistic, diabetic duck fan.
I love hearing about bizarre/obscure Disney works - recommendations welcome!
There should be an index belonging to Pedersen's tree. Maybe that index, published in DDF(R)appet #7, gives some more information on where the entries on the tree come from.
Is there?
I spent a good chunk of the night trying to figure out who's who myself
I might still upload my findings? I don't know if anyone has access to DDF(R)appet #7 - I don't know how to access a copy myself - but it might help to narrow down the search if nothing else?
Based on the information that I could find online, it is my understanding that the tree itself was published in DDF(R)appet #6, together with the first part of accompanying article, while the second part of the article and the index were published in DDF(R)appet #7. It's not a big chance that there is someone here who has access to the issues, or that you can easily get an issue yourself, as the number of printed copies is very limited. Maybe the best option would be to contact the DDFR association, asking if they would be so kind to provide a scan of the relevant pages.
I tried it also myself to figure out who is who. I managed to identify most of them, but for a few I am either not certain or I have no idea at all, like the earlier mentioned McHyre.
Apologies to double-post, but following from LP's questions, I was intrigued - so I've gone through Pedersen's tree and fully noted each character. This notation carries the assumption that there are no blank spots like we have - if someone is just listed as a gender or the like, I'm assuming there's a source for it. I'll also be blunt - I got fed up designating the unnamed characters that were most likely just theoretical links anyway, so I started glossing over them fairly quickly. Characters that I don't have anything on are in bold, and characters that I'm not sure of are in italics:
Sokrates Gås/Socrates - Accounted for Kristian Krikand/Blank - I have him down as Pieretto Paperotto, but that was a guess based on the information available from Gilles Maurice's index. Maybe that's incorrect? Kylle, Pylle and Rylle/April, May and June - Accounted for Krølle/'Curly' - I'm near certain this is Desmond, but noting here to be safe Lille Kludriand/Little Dimwitty - Accounted for Rip And, Rap And and Rup And/Huey Duck, Dewey Duck and Luey Duck - Accounted for Four Unnamed Children - Accounted for Lille Lavben/Shamrock Gander - Accounted for Two Unnamed Children - Accounted for (Elise and Rose)
Muf Gås/Moss - Not accounted for Unnamed Male - Not accounted for Guf Gås/Gus Goose - Accounted for Greta Gås/Greta Goose - Accounted for Male Krikand/Blank - Not accounted for Unnamed female - Not accounted for Pierre/'Pierre' - Accounted for; from W OS 686-02, not a relative in original Hannibal van Andriks/Cedric Canvasback - Accounted for Andersine And/Daisy Duck - Accounted for Parents of AMJ - Likely speculative, or based on info already present Parent(s) of Desmond - Either speculative or based on translation Knud/Unnamed Male - Accounted for Betty/'Betty' - Most likely Beth from D 2007-336 Gertrud Gås/Gertrude Goose - Accounted for Kludriand/Dimwitty - Accounted for Anders And/Donald Duck - Accounted for Unnamed And/Unnamed Duck - Accounted for (Though why Pedersen makes this assumption is beyond me) Della And/Della Duck - Accounted for Vims And/Fethry Duck - Accounted for Daniel And/Daniel Duck - Accounted for Hidsigprop And/Whitewater Duck - Accounted for Andreas And/Blank - Accounted for (Dietbald McDuck) Fjollerik And/Tapfou Duck - Accounted for (Dudly D. Duck) [Assuming Tapfou is his French name?] Dristig And/Blank - Accounted for (Buck Duck) Cosmo And/Cosmo Duck - Accounted for Sherlock And/Dickie Drake - Accounted for Farmer/Farmer - Most likely Fritz, though not certain Flink/'Flink' - Accounted for Landy and Molly/'Landy and Molly' - Accounted for Andrik/'Drake' - Unaccounted for Galimathias/'Galimatias' - Unaccounted for Kløgtig/Botcho - Accounted for Bertel Blisand/Cuthbert Coot - Accounted for Nancy And/Nancy Duck - Accounted for Petra/'Petra' - Unaccounted for Fætter Højben/Gladstone Gander - Accounted for Unnamed Lavben/Male Gander - Most likely theoretical, but on our tree as Oscar Unnamed female - Most likely theoretical, but unaccounted for
Male Gås/Male - Unaccounted for, likely theoretical Female - Unaccounted for, likely theoretical Male Gås/Male Goose - Accounted for (Luke Goose) Frida/Fanny - Accounted for Andrea And/Elvira Duck - Unaccounted for (Not Grandma) Female/Unknown - Unaccounted for, most likely theoretical? Male van Andriks/Male von Drake - Unaccounted for (Possibly theoretical) Raptus von And(rik)/Ludwig von Drake - Accounted for Daisy's parents - Accounted for Stramtand/'Prissy' - Unaccounted for Andine/Tarzania - Accounted for Olfert/Olfert - Unaccounted for Lise/Blank - Unaccounted for Female - Unaccounted for, likely theoretical Zuma, Mazu and Zumazu/Tom, Drake and Harry - Accounted for Joakim von And/Scrooge McDuck - Accounted for Evelyn/Female - Accounted for Mamie And/Mamie Duck - Unaccounted for Exeter And/Exeter Duck - Unaccounted for Female and Male Duck - N/A (Speculative) Male Duck and Female - Unaccounted for, near definitely speculative Female - Unaccounted for, likely speculative Peter Pip/Blank - Unaccounted for Andreas/Blank - Accounted for Edderfugl/Eider Duck - Accounted for (I don't have record of the name Edderfugl but still near definitely Eider) Adriane/'Adriane' - Unaccounted for Amalie/'Amalie' - Unaccounted for Three Unknowns - Unaccounted for, likely speculative Cuthbert's parents - Unaccounted for, likely speculative Nancy's parentage - Unaccounted for, likely speculative Drusilla/Drusilla - Accounted for Gladstone's parents - Accounted for
Kitty/'Kitty' - Accounted for Skovmand/'Woodman' - Accounted for (Not a relative) Ludwig's uncle - Most likely accounted for, though not sure Ludwig's parents - Accounted for Ludwig's aunt - Unlikely to be accounted for if not speculative Unnamed relatives of Pamfilius - Accounted for Andreas/Blank - Unaccounted for Nolle And/Blank - Accounted for (Paperdick) Andy And/Cyril McDuck - Accounted for Mazuma And/Mazuma Duck - Accounted for Moby And/Moby Duck - Accounted for Unknown - Most likely theoretical Filias Fumleand/Rufus Fuddleduck - Accounted for Andrik von And/Male McDuck - Accounted for (Lurch McDuck) Andus von And/McPaper - Most likely accounted for (I TL 709-A) Fedtsyl von And/'Skinflint' McDuck - Unaccounted for Gnier von And/'Miser' McDuck - Accounted for Lille-Angus von And/Wee-Angus McDuck - Accounted for Karrig von And/Slye McDuck - Accounted for Female - Speculative Sofie von And/'Sophie' McDuck - Accounted for (Ethelbertha) Adolphus Mortimer von And/'Adolphus Mortimer' McDuck - Accounted for Kilian McKluns/Nobucks McDuck - Accounted for (Moocher McDuck) Two brothers of Humperdink - Possibly accounted for; may be the Elders of the Duck Clan? Humperdink And/Humperdink Duck - Accounted for Andrea (Bedstemor) And/Elvira (Grandma) Duck - Accounted for Gladstone's grandparents - Most likely speculative Susiebelle Svane/Susiebelle Swan - Accounted for
Jim/'Jim' - Unaccounted for (Unless it's supposed to be Jim Damon?) Unknown - Most likely speculative Grånæb/'Gravbill' - Accounted for (Graybeak) Andtonius And/'Anthony' Duck - Accounted for Husband and wife - Possibly speculative, but one is most likely unaccounted for Den kullede greve/Blank - Accounted for (Murgatroyd Mallard) Pamfilius And/Blank - Accounted for Husband and wife - Most likely speculative Andedun and husband - Accounted for Fumleand and wife - Likely speculative Female - Probably speculative Carl B. von And/Carl B. McDuck - Unaccounted for Annibal von And/Pothole McDuck - Accounted for Jacob von And/Jake McDuck - Accounted for Skryder von And/Magneto Duck - Unaccounted for Jeremias von And/'Jeremiah' McDuck - Accounted for Many unnamed relatives - Likely speculative Daniel And/Daniel Duck - Accounted for Kristoffer And/David Diethelm - Accounted for (Gumboot) Grev Højben/Count Gander and wife - Accounted for? Sir Gladstone of Basketville, presumably, who is not on tree
Multiple unnamed relatives - Likely speculative Titus (Mc)And/Titus McDuck - Accounted for Female - Likely speculative Elias Ebenezer von And/'Elias Ebenezer' McDuck - Unaccounted for (Possibly Silas Elias?) Jonas von And/Quagmire McDuck - Accounted for Husband and wife - Likely speculative Grev Højben/Count Gander and Grev Adelgreen/Count 'Adelgreen' - Unaccounted for
Unnamed Duck - Most likely speculative Asa Skipper And/Asa Duck - Accounted for McRapan/McPaper - Accounted for (Joshua) Don Pepe Anderik von And/'Don Pepe Anderik' McDuck - Near definitely I TL 690-A, but leaving unconfirmed Two unnamed females - Speculative Asmus von And/'Asmus' McDuck - Unaccounted for Jarlen af Asketty/Earl of Asketty - Accounted for Stivnakke von And/Pokerface McDuck - Accounted for
(Detlef) - Accounted for (Crockett) Vermund von Vildand/Vermund McWildduck - Accounted for Unnamed relatives - Probably speculative Lochbert Højben/Lochbert Gander - Accounted for
Salomon von And/'Solomon' McDuck - Accounted for Andrick von And/'Drake' McDuck - Most likely accounted for (D 4661) Havskum von And/Seafoam McDuck - Accounted for Female - Likely speculative Jarlen af Asketty/Earl of Asketty - Accounted for Jonathan And/McTavish Duck - Accounted for Nikolas Højben/'Nicholas' Gander - Unaccounted for Grev Adelgreen/Count 'Adelgreen' - Unaccounted for
Adrian And/'Adrian' Duck - Unaccounted for Anders Krik/(Ruffian) - Unaccounted for Guldbrand von And/'Goldfire' McDuck - Accounted for Rigmand von And/'Rich' McDuck - Unaccounted for (Though I feel like he's been discussed and dismissed before) Angus Andus/'Angus Andus' - Unaccounted for Two unnameds - Likely speculative
Andreas Andriksen And/Blank - Unaccounted for Andæus Dompap/(Pseudo-Scientist) - Probably unaccounted for? Andrik McNærig=Atlantus von And/Danblane McDuck - Accounted for Unnamed - Probably speculative
(Captain D. Duck Esq.) - Unaccounted for. Comes from a Barks drawing, but unless there's more to it, I don't think there's anything suggesting him as a relative? Andrik von And/Blank - Unaccounted for Andy Badsmånd/Pintail - Accounted for Kornelius Blisand/Cornelius Coot - Accounted for Globus von And/[Not present] - Unaccounted for Two unnameds - Likely speculative Styrmand von And/Matey McDuck - Accounted for Don Pato/Don Pato - Accounted for Andos/Andos - Unaccounted for Tosserik von And/Ponce de Loon - Accounted for McHyre/'McHyre' - Unaccounted for Joak McAndy/'Joak McAndy' - Accounted for (Petronius Paperonius) Monsieur Guf (Krovært)/Monsieur Gus - Possibly Monsieur Cicciotte? Otherwise unaccounted for Angus Andrik/'Angus' 'Drake' - Unaccounted for Andersine/Daisy and Anders Cyrano/Donald Cyrano - Unaccounted for (Neither story about Cyrano de Bergerac that I'm seeing seems to contain relatives) Hertug Joakim af Andestad/Duke Scrooge - Unaccounted for (Same as above) Unnameds - Likely speculative Junker Højben/'Cavalier' Gander - Unaccounted for (Same as Above) Rip, Rap, Rup, Ridder Anders, Andersine, Grev Joakim af Guldanien, Grev Canardo/Unnamed, Sir Donald, Daisy, Count Scrooge, Count Canardo - Possibly accounted for? Donald the Paladin I think Frygtløs von And/'Fearless' McDuck - Unaccounted for Hertug McGorien/Sir Swamphole McDuck - Accounted for Grev Iron-Ironside/Sir Roast McDuck - Accounted for Mester Anders, Fyrst Joakim den Første/Master Donald, Prince Scrooge I - Unaccounted for Væbner Guf/Esquire Gus - Unaccounted for (From I TL 873-AP, no relation confirmed) Ridder Anders, Frøken Andersine, Kong Joakim den tredje, Ridder Højben/'Sir' Donald, 'Damsel' Daisy, King Scrooge III, 'Sir' Gladstone - Unaccounted for (From I TL 873-AP, no relation confirmed) Hertug McUakkson/Sir Quackly McDuck - Accounted for Andrew von And/'Andrew' McDuck - Unaccounted for Jarlen af Darkburg/Sir Eider McDuck - Accounted for Anders Vildand=McVillain/'Domn-nhal' 'McVillain' - Accounted for (Andold) Pages, Ridder Anders, Prinsesse Andersine, Konge (Joakim III)/Pages, Sir Donald, Princess Daisy, King (Scrooge II) - Not relatives, story is a dream (W DD 35-05) Ali Baba And, Joakim Ben And, Ali Højben/Ali Baba Duck, Scrooge ben Duck, 'Ali' Gander - No confirmation of relation Ali Joakim/'Ali' Scrooge - No confirmed relation Von And-klanen i Skotland/Clan McDuck in Scotland - Accounted for Dronning Kleop-And-Tra, Hofchef, Jo-Ank-Khim, Farao/Queen 'Cleopatra Duck', Courtchief, Treasurer, Pharao - Accounted for Augustus Gås/Augustus Goose - Accounted for Alexander (den Store) And/Alexander (the Great) Duck - Accounted for Vagt i Kong Krøsus skatkammer/Guard at King Croesus of Lydia - Not related in original, hypothetical in Scrooge's head Portner i kong Salomon's miner/Doorkeeper at King Solomon's mines - Not related in original, hypothetical in Scrooge's head Kong Salomon/King Solomon and faraos - Not sure how they're supposed to be related? Kong Joakim/Scrooge-Shah and co - Accounted for Farao Tut-Ank-And - Not in the English version, at least Hjulets Opfinder/Inventor of the Wheel - Possibly Oogbog? Forfæder fra ca. 60,000,000 år før vor tidsregning/Blank - Unaccounted for
That's the entire thing gone through, though I'll note that I started this in the wee hours of the morning before bed, so I may have missed some obvious details. That's as much as I have off-hand for Pedersen's tree, without seeing the index mentioned by mkr
Resident autistic, diabetic duck fan.
I love hearing about bizarre/obscure Disney works - recommendations welcome!
I spent a good chunk of the night trying to figure out who's who myself
I might still upload my findings? I don't know if anyone has access to DDF(R)appet #7 - I don't know how to access a copy myself - but it might help to narrow down the search if nothing else?
Based on the information that I could find online, it is my understanding that the tree itself was published in DDF(R)appet #6, together with the first part of accompanying article, while the second part of the article and the index were published in DDF(R)appet #7. It's not a big chance that there is someone here who has access to the issues, or that you can easily get an issue yourself, as the number of printed copies is very limited. Maybe the best option would be to contact the DDFR association, asking if they would be so kind to provide a scan of the relevant pages.
I tried it also myself to figure out who is who. I managed to identify most of them, but for a few I am either not certain or I have no idea at all, like the earlier mentioned McHyre.
I'm fine to contact them if you'd like - mainly asking because I don't want everyone going off and overloading them
I'll send off an email now if that's okay?
EDIT: Email has been sent, will update if I hear anything back
Last Edit: Jul 30, 2023 17:18:07 GMT by alquackskey
Resident autistic, diabetic duck fan.
I love hearing about bizarre/obscure Disney works - recommendations welcome!
Apologies to double-post, but following from LP's questions, I was intrigued - so I've gone through Pedersen's tree and fully noted each character. This notation carries the assumption that there are no blank spots like we have - if someone is just listed as a gender or the like, I'm assuming there's a source for it. I'll also be blunt - I got fed up designating the unnamed characters that were most likely just theoretical links anyway, so I started glossing over them fairly quickly. Characters that I don't have anything on are in bold, and characters that I'm not sure of are in italics:
Great job as always, Alquackskey! I have what I believe is "answers" to some of the ones not accounted for.
- the Andrea And/Elvira Duck duplication: I believe these are meant to be the same character. I believe that rather than having the lines connecting Elvira to Humperdink stretching all over the tree, Pedersen simply included the same character twice on the tree. In the Danish version of the tree, one of the Andrea And-boxes says "se næste linie", meaning "see next line". This indicates that Elvira's ancestor are explored on the next line (the box on the left of the tree), which they indeed are! But both of them are clearly supposed to be one and the same, as the one on the right is labeled "Grandma Duck" and the one on the left is the aunt of Gus Goose (as per Barks' Donald's Grandma Duck (Pedersen cites this story in his article)).
- Nikolas Højben/Gander: Pedersen's article refers to Nikolas Gander as a Danish translation error. I believe this means that Nikolas was created in the Danish translation of The Castle Heirs, similar to how Seppi Deppi Duck was created in the German translation of High-wire Daredevils. Thus, Nikolas Gander should probably be ignored on the tree.
- Captain D. Duck Esq.: About D. Duck Esq., Pedersen's article says:
The American branch of the Duck family is probably descended from Captain D. Duck Esq., who came to Plymouth Rock, with (or rather swimming beside) the Mayflower in 1620 (drawing by Barks in Newcon no. 2).
and then:
Captain D. Duck Esq., »..one whose ancestors swam to Plymouth Rock alongside the Mayflower...« according to Carl Barks.
I guess this means that D. Duck only exists as a drawing in Newcon no. 2. Another indicator of this is that D. Duck's name is in parenthesis in the Danish version of the tree, suggesting he isn't "real". Should we still take him into account in the tree? Probably not. However, if we do want to, Captain D. Duck could probably be merged with the Ye Gossip-ancestor from the Al Taliaferro-strip with several Duck-ancestors. They are from the same era and even wear similar pioneer hats!
Apologies to double-post, but following from LP's questions, I was intrigued - so I've gone through Pedersen's tree and fully noted each character. This notation carries the assumption that there are no blank spots like we have - if someone is just listed as a gender or the like, I'm assuming there's a source for it. I'll also be blunt - I got fed up designating the unnamed characters that were most likely just theoretical links anyway, so I started glossing over them fairly quickly. Characters that I don't have anything on are in bold, and characters that I'm not sure of are in italics:
Great job as always, Alquackskey! I have what I believe is "answers" to some of the ones not accounted for.
- the Andrea And/Elvira Duck duplication: I believe these are meant to be the same character. I believe that rather than having the lines connecting Elvira to Humperdink stretching all over the tree, Pedersen simply included the same character twice on the tree. In the Danish version of the tree, one of the Andrea And-boxes says "se næste linie", meaning "see next line". This indicates that Elvira's ancestor are explored on the next line (the box on the left of the tree), which they indeed are! But both of them are clearly supposed to be one and the same, as the one on the right is labeled "Grandma Duck" and the one on the left is the aunt of Gus Goose (as per Barks' Donald's Grandma Duck (Pedersen cites this story in his article)).
- Nikolas Højben/Gander: Pedersen's article refers to Nikolas Gander as a Danish translation error. I believe this means that Nikolas was created in the Danish translation of The Castle Heirs, similar to how Seppi Deppi Duck was created in the German translation of High-wire Daredevils. Thus, Nikolas Gander should probably be ignored on the tree.
- Captain D. Duck Esq.: About D. Duck Esq., Pedersen's article says:
The American branch of the Duck family is probably descended from Captain D. Duck Esq., who came to Plymouth Rock, with (or rather swimming beside) the Mayflower in 1620 (drawing by Barks in Newcon no. 2).
and then:
Captain D. Duck Esq., »..one whose ancestors swam to Plymouth Rock alongside the Mayflower...« according to Carl Barks.
I guess this means that D. Duck only exists as a drawing in Newcon no. 2. Another indicator of this is that D. Duck's name is in parenthesis in the Danish version of the tree, suggesting he isn't "real". Should we still take him into account in the tree? Probably not. However, if we do want to, Captain D. Duck could probably be merged with the Ye Gossip-ancestor from the Al Taliaferro-strip with several Duck-ancestors. They are from the same era and even wear similar pioneer hats!
Thank you! It's much appreciated!
For Andrea And, that's perfect, thank you - I missed some details there, so I'll fix that. Same with Nikolas - I'll also add him to translation errors!
Regarding D. Duck, I was able to find the actual picture in question:
I'm fine with his inclusion, but I'm mainly questioning if we should on the grounds that there doesn't seem to be any concrete link between him and the family as a whole. There's also the question of 'Huey' - if we assume that D. Duck is valid, do we also accept him? The description I read mentions that he's an early US pioneer, so not our Huey - presumably related to D. Duck, but no actual proof of that, being technical.
The full description, for clarity: "EXTREMELY RARE OPPORTUNITY !! THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO OWN 2 ORIGINAL DRAWINGS NOT JUST ONE!! This auction is for 2 original drawings by Carl Barks. Enclosed with them is the signature of Carl Barks which came with these original drawings. These were purchased from the managers of Carl Barks quite a few years ago. They were the ones that managed Carl Barks and his works of art. The first drawing is of Donald Duck, ESQ. .The PILGRIM !! Carl Barks created this in 1976 for the Newcon Convention on the East Coast. He was soon to attend this convention. Carl Barks writes in his own hand in felt pen: HISTORY WILL BE MADE AGAIN AT DON PHELPH'S NEWCON- D. DUCK, ESQ.- WHOSE ANCESTORS CAME OVER BESIDE THE MAYFLOWER." Barks continues (adding an improved title) in pencil at the bottom "WHOSE ANCESTORS FLEW OVER AHEAD OF THE MAYFLOWER!" These wonderful drawings also come with a separate Carl Bark's signature which accompanied my original purchase of them. The art paper for this drawing measures approx. 14 by 9 1/2 inches. The Donald Duck figure measures approx. 11 1/2 inches tall. The second drawing is of Huey Duck, an early U.S. Patriot. The art paper Huey is on measures approx. 11 by 8 3/4 inches. The Huey figure measures approx. 6 1/2 inches high. Carl Barks also worked on Donald Duck, Uncle Scrooge McDuck, Daisy Duck, and Mickey Mouse for Disney. The reserve price is but a fraction of their actual worth. Extremely rare opportunity. Don't let this one get away !! Buyer pays shipping and insurance costs. Happy Bidding !!"
I'm fine with D. Duck's inclusion, but I think it would be best to discuss it first. There's also the question of 'Huey' and whether or not he should be included.
Resident autistic, diabetic duck fan.
I love hearing about bizarre/obscure Disney works - recommendations welcome!
Apologies to double-post, but following from LP's questions, I was intrigued - so I've gone through Pedersen's tree and fully noted each character. This notation carries the assumption that there are no blank spots like we have - if someone is just listed as a gender or the like, I'm assuming there's a source for it. I'll also be blunt - I got fed up designating the unnamed characters that were most likely just theoretical links anyway, so I started glossing over them fairly quickly. Characters that I don't have anything on are in bold, and characters that I'm not sure of are in italics:
Nice overview. I added some of my own notes to your list:
Kristian Krikand/Blank - I have him down as Pieretto Paperotto, but that was a guess based on the information available from Gilles Maurice's index. Maybe that's incorrect? --> I also think this should be Pieretto Paperotto. Krølle/'Curly' - I'm near certain this is Desmond, but noting here to be safe --> I also think this should be Desmond. Muf Gås/Moss - Not accounted for --> cousin Moss is from S 64107, we discussed him before I believe, Moss is probably just Gus Goose himself. Betty/'Betty' - Most likely Beth from D 2007-336 --> It cannot be Beth from D 2007-336 as the tree was published in 2005, which is older than this story. Farmer/Farmer - Most likely Fritz, though not certain --> I also think it's Fritz. Andrik/'Drake' - Unaccounted for --> Paperucchio from I TL 782-A, but I believe he was said before to not be a relative in the original. Galimathias/'Galimatias' - Unaccounted for --> I think Marmaduke from W DD 28-02. Petra/'Petra' - Unaccounted for --> Petra is a Danish translation error from W WDC 312-01.
Stramtand/'Prissy' - Unaccounted for --> Maybe this is Tizzy from W DD 114-05. Olfert/Olfert - Unaccounted for --> This is Gilbert from S 63069, the husband of Andine/Tarzania/Myrtle from the same story. Lise/Blank - Unaccounted for --> Maybe Matilda from W WDC 204-01. Mamie And/Mamie Duck - Unaccounted for Exeter And/Exeter Duck - Unaccounted for --> Mamie and Exeter are said to have been mentioned in an obituary in a MAD-Magazine from about 1967. Peter Pip/Blank - Unaccounted for --> In think Webfoot McWaddle from W WDC 115-02. Adriane/'Adriane' - Unaccounted for --> This is Marthe from S 75121. Amalie/'Amalie' - Unaccounted for --> I think Deborah from YD 50-01-26. Ludwig's uncle - Most likely accounted for, though not sure --> mentioned in W LVD 1-07, but Ludwig is lying when he is talking about this uncle, so the uncle might not really exist. Ludwig's aunt - Unlikely to be accounted for if not speculative --> seems to be a Danish translation error from W LVD 1-07. Andreas/Blank - Unaccounted for --> Theobald from D 3299. Fedtsyl von And/'Skinflint' McDuck - Unaccounted for --> Probably Mac Paperon from I TL 290-AP.
Jim/'Jim' - Unaccounted for (Unless it's supposed to be Jim Damon?) --> I think it's Jake from W OS 586-03. Skryder von And/Magneto Duck - Unaccounted for --> I think Swashbuckle Duck from W DD 113-02.
Elias Ebenezer von And/'Elias Ebenezer' McDuck - Unaccounted for (Possibly Silas Elias?) --> Probably a merge between Silas Elias and Ebenezer McDuck.
Asmus von And/'Asmus' McDuck - Unaccounted for --> Maybe Potluck McDuck from S 70086.
Adrian And/'Adrian' Duck - Unaccounted for --> according to my own notes this is a Danish translation error from W WDC 234-01. Anders Krik/(Ruffian) - Unaccounted for --> one of the relatives mentioned in W LVD 3-03. Rigmand von And/'Rich' McDuck - Unaccounted for (Though I feel like he's been discussed and dismissed before) --> Probably Richman McDuck from D 4517, who is not said to be related to Scrooge.
Andæus Dompap/(Pseudo-Scientist) - Probably unaccounted for? --> one of the relatives mentioned in W LVD 3-03. Globus von And/[Not present] - Unaccounted for --> Hopalong Duck from W WDC 293-01, but not said to be related (at least not in the original). Andos/Andos - Unaccounted for --> from W WDC 299-01, but not said to be related in the original. Monsieur Guf (Krovært)/Monsieur Gus - Possibly Monsieur Cicciotte? Otherwise unaccounted for --> from I TL 600-A, but not said to be related in the original I believe. Angus Andrik/'Angus' 'Drake' - Unaccounted for --> I think Angus the Anvil from S 65141. Andersine/Daisy and Anders Cyrano/Donald Cyrano - Unaccounted for (Neither story about Cyrano de Bergerac that I'm seeing seems to contain relatives) --> from I TL 600-A, but not said to be related in the original I believe. Hertug Joakim af Andestad/Duke Scrooge - Unaccounted for (Same as above) --> from I TL 600-A. Junker Højben/'Cavalier' Gander - Unaccounted for (Same as Above) --> from I TL 600-A. Rip, Rap, Rup, Ridder Anders, Andersine, Grev Joakim af Guldanien, Grev Canardo/Unnamed, Sir Donald, Daisy, Count Scrooge, Count Canardo - Possibly accounted for? Donald the Paladin I think --> yes from those paladin stories. Mester Anders, Fyrst Joakim den Første/Master Donald, Prince Scrooge I - Unaccounted for --> from I AT 175-A, but not said to be related in the original as far as I know. Farao Tut-Ank-And - Not in the English version, at least --> from D 3753, but not said to be related in the Dutch translation.
The full description, for clarity: "EXTREMELY RARE OPPORTUNITY !! THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO OWN 2 ORIGINAL DRAWINGS NOT JUST ONE!! This auction is for 2 original drawings by Carl Barks. Enclosed with them is the signature of Carl Barks which came with these original drawings. These were purchased from the managers of Carl Barks quite a few years ago. They were the ones that managed Carl Barks and his works of art. The first drawing is of Donald Duck, ESQ. .The PILGRIM !! Carl Barks created this in 1976 for the Newcon Convention on the East Coast. He was soon to attend this convention. Carl Barks writes in his own hand in felt pen: HISTORY WILL BE MADE AGAIN AT DON PHELPH'S NEWCON- D. DUCK, ESQ.- WHOSE ANCESTORS CAME OVER BESIDE THE MAYFLOWER." Barks continues (adding an improved title) in pencil at the bottom "WHOSE ANCESTORS FLEW OVER AHEAD OF THE MAYFLOWER!" These wonderful drawings also come with a separate Carl Bark's signature which accompanied my original purchase of them. The art paper for this drawing measures approx. 14 by 9 1/2 inches. The Donald Duck figure measures approx. 11 1/2 inches tall. The second drawing is of Huey Duck, an early U.S. Patriot. The art paper Huey is on measures approx. 11 by 8 3/4 inches. The Huey figure measures approx. 6 1/2 inches high. Carl Barks also worked on Donald Duck, Uncle Scrooge McDuck, Daisy Duck, and Mickey Mouse for Disney. The reserve price is but a fraction of their actual worth. Extremely rare opportunity. Don't let this one get away !! Buyer pays shipping and insurance costs. Happy Bidding !!"
I'm fine with D. Duck's inclusion, but I think it would be best to discuss it first. There's also the question of 'Huey' and whether or not he should be included.
Oh, Pedersen's article made it seem like Captain D. Duck was the ancestor who swam next to the Mayflower. But if I understand correctly, this text attributes the anecdote to the captain's own ancestors. In that case, no, there appears to be no concrete genealogical connection between him and Donald.
The full description, for clarity: "EXTREMELY RARE OPPORTUNITY !! THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO OWN 2 ORIGINAL DRAWINGS NOT JUST ONE!! This auction is for 2 original drawings by Carl Barks. Enclosed with them is the signature of Carl Barks which came with these original drawings. These were purchased from the managers of Carl Barks quite a few years ago. They were the ones that managed Carl Barks and his works of art. The first drawing is of Donald Duck, ESQ. .The PILGRIM !! Carl Barks created this in 1976 for the Newcon Convention on the East Coast. He was soon to attend this convention. Carl Barks writes in his own hand in felt pen: HISTORY WILL BE MADE AGAIN AT DON PHELPH'S NEWCON- D. DUCK, ESQ.- WHOSE ANCESTORS CAME OVER BESIDE THE MAYFLOWER." Barks continues (adding an improved title) in pencil at the bottom "WHOSE ANCESTORS FLEW OVER AHEAD OF THE MAYFLOWER!" These wonderful drawings also come with a separate Carl Bark's signature which accompanied my original purchase of them. The art paper for this drawing measures approx. 14 by 9 1/2 inches. The Donald Duck figure measures approx. 11 1/2 inches tall. The second drawing is of Huey Duck, an early U.S. Patriot. The art paper Huey is on measures approx. 11 by 8 3/4 inches. The Huey figure measures approx. 6 1/2 inches high. Carl Barks also worked on Donald Duck, Uncle Scrooge McDuck, Daisy Duck, and Mickey Mouse for Disney. The reserve price is but a fraction of their actual worth. Extremely rare opportunity. Don't let this one get away !! Buyer pays shipping and insurance costs. Happy Bidding !!"
I'm fine with D. Duck's inclusion, but I think it would be best to discuss it first. There's also the question of 'Huey' and whether or not he should be included.
Oh, Pedersen's article made it seem like Captain D. Duck was the ancestor who swam next to the Mayflower. But if I understand correctly, this text attributes the anecdote to the captain's own ancestors. In that case, no, there appears to be no concrete genealogical connection between him and Donald.
Maybe I'm totally missing something here, but... why does it need to be an ancestor of Donald's? Why does it need to be anyone else than Donald himself? My understanding is that this is a drawing of Donald dressed as a pilgrim, that's it. And another of Huey dressed as a pariot. Not separate characters, just those we know, but in costume.
Oh, Pedersen's article made it seem like Captain D. Duck was the ancestor who swam next to the Mayflower. But if I understand correctly, this text attributes the anecdote to the captain's own ancestors. In that case, no, there appears to be no concrete genealogical connection between him and Donald.
Maybe I'm totally missing something here, but... why does it need to be an ancestor of Donald's? Why does it need to be anyone else than Donald himself? My understanding is that this is a drawing of Donald dressed as a pilgrim, that's it. And another of Huey dressed as a pariot. Not separate characters, just those we know, but in costume.
I hadn't considered that. My sole exposure to Captain D. Duck throught the years has been through Asger Pedersen's article, which labels him as a separate character. But these recent discoveries seem to indicate that such a labeling was an error. You are probably correct that Captain D. Duck is simply Donald Duck cosplaying a pioneer captain.
At any rate, if the "D. Duck" in "D. DUCK, ESQ.- WHOSE ANCESTORS CAME OVER BESIDE THE MAYFLOWER" refers to Donald, then we at least know that Barks intended for Donald to have an ancestor who swam beside the Mayflower. So now the real question should be: Should this ancestor be added to the tree?
I've been in contact with both Pedersen and the DDF(R) for twelve years ca. and Asger's article is -- I believe -- one of the first big research I read online when I approached Duck trees, along with Gilles Maurice's.
Here, you can read the whole thing in English... God only knows how many times did I go through that page 15 years ago.
A few quick questions regarding the placement of a few McDuck ancestors:
Firstly, Paperardo "Cuor di Leone". His nickname means "Lionheart", which makes me think he is a duck-version of Richard I, who lived 1157 – 1199. However, if he were to share birth dates with the real life Richard I, then he probably should be placed as Sir Roast McDuck's brother (Roast lived 1159 – 1205). Is there a reason for placing him as Sir Swamphole's son?
Secondly, Paperin "Errante" from the same story. Likewise, I'm curious about the reason for his placement. I know next to nothing about knight-fashion throughout the ages. Is his fashion appropriate for the 13th century?
Finally, Ronald McDuck. I don't think there is anything in the story he appears in pointing him towards living in the 1100s. However, a friend of a friend told me that knights first started wearing feathers in their helmets during the 1500s. This was apparently due to the fact that Europe imported a lot ostrich feathers at this time. So maybe Ronald should be moved forward in time – perhaps he could be the son of Quack and the father of Sir Peatbog?
Please note that I could simply be missing some very obvious reason for the current placement of these ancestors.
EDIT: I also realized that the placement of Maol Mhuire MacDuich is likely incorrect too. I originally placed him in the later 1000s based on the archaic spelling of his surname. However, he is said to have participated in two crusades. It seems the crusades happened later. Someone who's more of a history buff than me would have to help out here, but I'm not sure if this fits with Maol's birth year. Maybe he should be moved to the future, possibly as Sir Swamphole's son. This would unfortunately ignore the archaic spelling of MacDuich.