Carl Barks Library

[That Duckfan]

Oct 12, 2023 14:03:12 GMT caballero said:

Blaiter I do blame Fantagraphics somewhat. Back in 1999, Gladstone published the uncensored "War of the Wendigo" DESPITE Disney's orders. And I am not even saying that Fanta should print all Barks comics unconsored despite Disney's orders, all I am saying that they should at least include notes about what was cut even if Disney does not want them to include such notes.

When Gladstone published War of the Wendigo, they were already closing up shop. It was a unique situation, a kind of rude gesture to Disney as they were locking the door. Ongoing publishers such as Fantagraphics can't just burn their bridges with Disney, if they plan on finishing the rest of the series (as well as other series besides).


Some unrelated thoughts.
Disney comics are in a very odd position, both compared to other Disney productions and to other comic books and magazines. The whole licensing aspect works fine when you treat the comics like any old merchandise, but instead they have actual content. Am I right in saying that comics are the only medium that Disney doesn't produce and distribute primarily in-house?
Each publisher within a given area has their own niche, so there's not a lot of direct competition. In fact, publishing Disney comics is a team effort: no single publisher can survive without material from abroad (with the possible exception of the Brazilians). If the Italians suddenly stopped producing comics, the Scandinavians and the Dutch would be in big trouble. It's a very international effort, even though their remain contracted at an individual level. Some licenses have been short-lived, while others have a continuity stretching back decades. In short, being a Disney comics licensee is weird.

[bats]

Oct 12, 2023 5:08:02 GMT blot said:

Page 3 has been completely removed. The Wild Woman of Borneo page.

This "Complete Series" has turned to absolute crap.

If that page wasn't allowed, I fear for Good Deeds in the upcoming vol 1. You can't exactly just remove the pages with the natives from that one either.

[Al Levin]

Rosa said the publishers were not allowed to comment on the whole Bombie erasure. I guess the same applies here.

Furthermore, the licensed publishers are forbidden to mention the situation to their readers or publicly mention it in any way. They are only allowed to state that a new reissue of a book has been “edited for content” but cannot be specific as to exactly what has been changed or omitted. There is NO discussion of the matter allowed. Or at least none given any credence.

Honestly, Fanta has the hands tied and we cannot blame them. I'm happy we got Gottfredon's library when we did, I think nowadays several strips would be censored or outright not published. I'm scared for volumes 1-3, hopefully only Good Deeds will be affected.

[caballero]

Oct 12, 2023 14:52:48 GMT That Duckfan said:

Oct 12, 2023 14:03:12 GMT caballero said:

When Gladstone published War of the Wendigo, they were already closing up shop. It was a unique situation, a kind of rude gesture to Disney as they were locking the door. Ongoing publishers such as Fantagraphics can't just burn their bridges with Disney, if they plan on finishing the rest of the series (as well as other series besides).

Hopefully when Fantagraphics decides to stop publishing Disney comics (or when Disney decides to end their partnership), they will have the cojones to do the same thing Gladstone did back in 1999.

[caballero]

Oct 12, 2023 14:08:21 GMT Blaiter said:

Oct 12, 2023 14:03:12 GMT caballero said:

No, sorry to disagree. If Disney doesn't allow them to print such notes, they cannot print them. As easy as that.

Travel back in time and tell that to the great Bruce Hamilton and the great Russ Cochran in 1999. It really isn't as simple as what you wrote.

Anyway, on one hand I absolutely get that Fantagrpahics hands are tied, but on the other hand if nobody ever did anything against Disney's wishes then a lot of great things would not exist.

[Mesterius]

Oct 13, 2023 0:45:12 GMT caballero said:

Oct 12, 2023 14:08:21 GMT Blaiter said:

No, sorry to disagree. If Disney doesn't allow them to print such notes, they cannot print them. As easy as that.

Travel back in time and tell that to the great Bruce Hamilton and the great Russ Cochran in 1999. It really isn't as simple as what you wrote.

Anyway, on one hand I absolutely get that Fantagrpahics hands are tied, but on the other hand if nobody ever did anything against Disney's wishes then a lot of great things would not exist.

Gladstone wuld never have printed "War of the Vendigo" back in 1999 if they hadn't already lost the Disney license and were closing down. And you know it. Come on.

[twdisneyman]

I plan to write/mail a polite letter to Disney in care of Fantagraphics- maybe Fanta can forward it along to the department in charge of approving content. I don’t know if it’ll do any good, but at least I’ll try. I invite other BarksDuck fans to do the same. This has been the third volume in a row with censorship - despite including the warning.

[bats]

I'm going to be generous and assume that the books were all intended to be uncensored, but while Fanta were putting them together, they received orders from Disney to censor this and that story before sending them off to print, and that nobody remembered that this suddenly made the warning at the start of the book no longer accurate.

[afroduck]

I see the latest box set is out at certain places. Don't suppose anyone's got it already and can confirm/deny that anythings been cut or edited since the individual volumes were released?

[meneerjansen]

Oct 13, 2023 20:44:32 GMT bats said:

I'm going to be generous and assume that the books were all intended to be uncensored, but while Fanta were putting them together, they received orders from Disney to censor this and that story before sending them off to print, and that nobody remembered that this suddenly made the warning at the start of the book no longer accurate.

Yep. That must be it.

And since 99% of Barks' work will be reproduced in this series I don't think that writing a letter to Disney is gonna help. I think 99% of people that buy these books don't even notice the censorship. I wouldn't have if it wasn't for this forum.

What does hurt me though is that they printed Daan Jippes' re-drawn version of "Race To The South Seas" instead of the re-found version by Barks. In this forum somebody confirmed that the orig. artwork arrived too late and that the notes in the back of the Fantagraphics volume is incorrect. This has not been admitted by F. in another volume as far as I know.

Anyway, since it was demanded from Amazon Europe that they do not import books all the way from the USA (something with climate change) you can't buy 'm anymore in the EU from Amazon. I hope that Bol.com will continue to sell them but I see from the long delivery times that they import it from the US and that they don't keep the books in stock anymore, like they used too. I hope that I can complete my collection.

[Al Levin]

Oct 13, 2023 20:44:32 GMT bats said:

I'm going to be generous and assume that the books were all intended to be uncensored, but while Fanta were putting them together, they received orders from Disney to censor this and that story before sending them off to print, and that nobody remembered that this suddenly made the warning at the start of the book no longer accurate.

This is what happened with IDW Disney's Christmas Classic book. It was supposed to feature every Christmas strip. Then Disney blocked the reprinting of the strips with the Song of the South cast, but the IDW crew forgot to remove that story from the book summary

Oct 12, 2023 12:05:21 GMT Blaiter said:

As far as I know at the moment we have the following censored content:
1 eight-page story;
1 one-page story;
1 cover;
1 page was deleted from a ten-page story;

Do you have the Inducks links to the eight-page and one-page stories?

[bats]

Oct 14, 2023 16:17:03 GMT Al Levin said:

Do you have the Inducks links to the eight-page and one-page stories?

inducks.org/story.php?c=W+OS+1010-01
inducks.org/story.php?c=W+WDC+297-07
inducks.org/story.php?c=W+US+++39-00

[zipi]

I've put together a list of censorship in Carl Barks Library, that I've gathered through this forum, maybe we can keep it going like this? Am I missing anything?

Maharajah Donald vol.4:
-W WDC 74-01 missing 3rd page

Christmas in Duckburg vol.21:
-W OS 1010-01 (second printing) missing
-W WDC 225-01 (first printing) "holocaust" replaced with "conflagration", page 108, panel 4

Under the Polar Ice vol.23:
-W WDC 232-01 "shanghaied" replaced with "kidnapped", page 5, panel
-W WDC 228-01 "mob" replaced with "bunch" page 18, panel 7
-W WDC 229-01 "violent" replaced with "angry", page 21, panel 1

Cave of Ali Baba vol.28:
-W WDC 297-07 missing
-W US 39-00 missing cover

[Blaiter]

Oct 15, 2023 8:49:33 GMT zipi said:

I've put together a list of censorship in Carl Barks Library, that I've gathered through this forum, maybe we can keep it going like this? Am I missing anything?

Maharajah Donald vol.4:
-W WDC 74-01 missing 3rd page

Christmas in Duckburg vol.21:
-W OS 1010-01 (second printing) missing
-W WDC 225-01 (first printing) "holocaust" replaced with "conflagration", page 108, panel 4

Under the Polar Ice vol.23:
-W WDC 232-01 "shanghaied" replaced with "kidnapped", page 5, panel
-W WDC 228-01 "mob" replaced with "bunch" page 18, panel 7
-W WDC 229-01 "violent" replaced with "angry", page 21, panel 1

Cave of Ali Baba vol.28:
-W WDC 297-07 missing
-W US 39-00 missing cover

This should be it.
Just note that for the second printing of volumes 21 and 23 those text alteration are been restored.

[Al Levin]

Oct 15, 2023 8:49:33 GMT zipi said:

I've put together a list of censorship in Carl Barks Library, that I've gathered through this forum, maybe we can keep it going like this? Am I missing anything?

Maharajah Donald vol.4:
-W WDC 74-01 missing 3rd page

Christmas in Duckburg vol.21:
-W OS 1010-01 (second printing) missing
-W WDC 225-01 (first printing) "holocaust" replaced with "conflagration", page 108, panel 4

Under the Polar Ice vol.23:
-W WDC 232-01 "shanghaied" replaced with "kidnapped", page 5, panel
-W WDC 228-01 "mob" replaced with "bunch" page 18, panel 7
-W WDC 229-01 "violent" replaced with "angry", page 21, panel 1

Cave of Ali Baba vol.28:
-W WDC 297-07 missing
-W US 39-00 missing cover

In volume 23, W WDC 231-01 had the dialogue in the third panel altered -- the "from an Indian war chief?" part was removed.