Ducktales 2017- Season 3 thread

[Pan Maciej]

"The Lost Cargo of Kit Cloudkicker!"



Not much to say about this one other then it was enjoyable.

I haven't watch "Tale Spin" this many times (perhaps I haven't even seen all of the episodes) but it felt like a nice homage to the series.

I like all the action, colors and when they played "Tale Spin" music it was cool - just not as cool like whe they played "Rescue Rangers" theme. I do wonder how much Molly's apperance at the end will be meaningful for people who didn't watch the show. They refrence her in first act but when shea apperse they try to play it off like "OMG! IT'S THAT CHARACTER!!!" but it felt not to have meaning in the context of the episode/show.  

Don Carnage felt like a bigger jerk then he was before on this show (felt like they try to have him act more like the TaleSpin one) and  I enjoy all the freaky creaters the piratets turn into.

It felt also strange to have a pilot-theme episode and not have Launchpad in it. 

I like the animal hybrids (Woozels) but it is strange that they keep refrencing bears (as in animals) and Kid also calls himself bears few time... Goofy/Pluto situation never bothered me but this was somehow off. 

Not sure is Baloo is ment to be dead or retire in this unvierse but it's nice they refrence him.

Also - Kid's toilet ha a sign that say "THE WOODS" 


"The Life and Crimes of Scrooge McDuck!


Well seeing how this is last episode before the finaly I must say it was nice that they made an episode focusing on Scrooges main villains.

The setup was great . Me (as well lot of internet pointed out) that it's the SAME PLOT as "Batman the animated series" episode "THE TRAIL" where all of Batman villains put him on a trial for turning them into villains... even the conclusion is very similiar, however... I honestly didn't mind it. Diffrent villains + extra magical twist.


What I sort of like and didn't like at the same time was Doofus Drake being their lawyer. 

On one hand it worked... There is something about the way he talks that made him sound like a "Simple Country Lawyer" trope... 

It's just the fact THIS is the cahracter that broth all the villains together felt... strange. Like how he has the magic conections exactly to pull this? It realy should have been Magica's plot. 

Also the joke about him licking Lousie... Come on!

The Themis/Lady Justice statue was somehow creepy to me and it's a cool idea to have the "judge" be this muste statue that's only comunicate by her lips and hiting her sword into the ground. Clever stuff.


Glomgold's story was ok... It was a nice setup with the sharks cave and while his back-story was only played for laughs rather then add any real extra deept I didn't found Glomgold that annoying in it.

Also I like that they clarify that kid Glomgold stolen 2 biions from Scrooge that days! 


Ma Beagle's story... Welp, we finally see how Scrooge got the legendary deed to Duckburg. Looks like it's last time this thing is mentioned (unless it will comes up in the finaly but I don't think so) 

You know, for something they set-up as far as first half of season 1 personaly I  think they wasted a pretty good plot. I love the idea that the Beagles goal is to reclaim the town their family owned long ago but they never did anything interesting with it. It's just there so Ma Beagle can have some other motivation other then just be a criminal but they never did anything interesting with this. In my opinion the Beagles remain the most underused villains, which is a shame since I like their voices and characters on this show. 

Overall Ma's segment was fine - if not to short - but just a disapointment seeing how it's Beagles are used very last time as the villains on this show and they didn't do that much with them. 


FINALY we get Magica's story and it's the best part.  Ilove Poe's design as a raven.

While this Magica was a twisted menace BEFORE she meet Scrooge I can't help but to feel sorry for her. It dose make her more sympathethic and I HOPE this plotline return in the final episode (it would be so odd if they didn't) 

Also they mange to make Scrooge like a greey jerk her... Which is a welcomed change. I like that Scrooge ACTUALY commited some type of a sin and so there was an actual reason for this trial (I mean not hepling Magica aside and not sharing his money withe people... he pretty much robbed Magica here)

*WHAT DOSEN'T WORK* is the fact that Magica want's Scrooge's numer one dime as her compensation!

Oh, if it was the comics that's all fine - what else she would want? 

BUT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE SHOW??? Um, wasn't the reason she wanted Lena to ge the dime was the fact she was trapped in it??? The show never mentioned she want's the dime for the same reasons as in the comics...

And all they had to do is just have a line or two that Magica needs the dime as part of some spell to find/bring back her brother... But as far I recall they didn't. So Magica cheering about finaly geting the dime makes zero sense in the context of the episode or the show. Also the Magica flashback feels like a big part of the puzzle it still feels like there is tad more to explain so let's hoping they will explain it more in the final episode.


While I like the way case is resolved I must say the ending felt rushed. 


It's overall a great episode just some parts felt unsatisfactory in the context of the show. 

[Scrooge MacDuck]

Mar 8, 2021 17:05:26 GMT Pan Maciej said:

*WHAT DOSEN'T WORK* is the fact that Magica want's Scrooge's numer one dime as her compensation!

Oh, if it was the comics that's all fine - what else she would want? 

BUT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE SHOW??? Um, wasn't the reason she wanted Lena to ge the dime was the fact she was trapped in it??? The show never mentioned she want's the dime for the same reasons as in the comics...

And all they had to do is just have a line or two that Magica needs the dime as part of some spell to find/bring back her brother... But as far I recall they didn't. So Magica cheering about finaly geting the dime makes zero sense in the context of the episode or the show. Also the Magica flashback feels like a big part of the puzzle it still feels like there is tad more to explain so let's hoping they will explain it more in the final episode.

Considering the spell that turned Poe into a raven bounced off the Dime before it hit him, it is possible that Magica hopes it might help her reverse the spell — maybe it somehow kept an "imprint" of the curse, or something? If not, presumably it's just a revenge thing, where she just wants to take it away from Scrooge as revenge, with the fact that it was the instrument of the wrong Scrooge did her being the reason she focuses on it specifically. (Note the phrasing “the accursed Dime”).

[Pan Maciej]

Final episode trailer :

[Scrooge MacDuck]

This is unexpected. Big Finish, DT2017 edition? The series will apparently get a short continuation as a podcast featuring the original voice cast (). There's a sample clip at the link.

[Freddie]

Mar 9, 2021 17:02:47 GMT Pan Maciej said:

Final episode trailer :




this is my favorite moment of this trailer. April, May and June, its going to be interesting tto see them in the show and found out their part of the story

[Fergus McDuck]

This has to be one of the most ridiculous endings ever. So...Webby is Scrooge's cloned daughter...you can't tell me this whole thing doesn't feel like a fanfiction.

[Scrooge MacDuck]

Humbug! I say this was great fun. Of course, the story feels ludicrous if you try to apply it to the comics/1987 series' characters and universes, but three seasons in, I think it's well established that DuckTales 2017 is a much more, for lack of a better term, “supercharged” world than the comics even at their weirdest. Mad science and magic are not simply tools that writers can resort to as the gimmick of a specific story, but part and parcel of that take on the Duck universe. Indeed, the whole point of S3 relied on the idea that this universe is one to which endless Indiana Jones shenanigans are inherent, to the extent that someone draining all the magical items out of it would basically be apocalyptic, on a thematic level, even if ordinary humanity was left unharmed.

[Sandopaper]

Mar 16, 2021 1:39:28 GMT Fergus McDuck said:

This has to be one of the most ridiculous endings ever. So...Webby is Scrooge's cloned daughter...you can't tell me this whole thing doesn't feel like a fanfiction.

It's ridiculous that this travesty of a show got over 60 episodes and Legend of the Three Caballeros stopped at 13.

[Pan Maciej]

*Sight*... 

You know, at first I realy loved where the story is going. 

I loved the opening with Webby's party being a setup to bust FOWL (nice to finaly see Fethry/Donald interaction on this show BTW) 

I actualy not mind May and June being clones of Webby (feels like a nice commentary on the fact that orginal Webby was pretty much... well... their clone) and I did found interesitng where the story was going.

I especialy like the part where Webby is showing them the family tree she made.

- This is my family.
- But they are mostly McDucks... they aren't related to you. Where is your real family?
- What? No, this is my family... 
- But where is your *real* family?

I like that episode actualy went into some stuff that are heavy for kids (especialy these who got adopted) and Kate Micucci realy sold emotion of Webby here (even when she talks with a happy voice there is a layer of sadness her) and there is something actualy strong about the part where June is trying to remove photos from the tree of people not related to Webby, which leads to Lena trying to stop June and Webby geting angry at her for attacking *her* sister.  

After that scene I was honestly hoping the episode will go into more of Webby torn between her biological family and her adopted one, but after all this is an "adventure" show.  

Still all the emotional stuff about Webby talking with her Granny about her parents was well exectued and when we later learn that she was lied all these years it's genuinely heart breaking. 


I didn't mind Webby being FOWL experiment. I think it's a clever idea for us to learn she is not related to her grandother and the way it ties to the message they are going for about family having nothing to do with blood relation. Again I wish they would explore it tad more of showing how this revelation changes their relationship before Webby realise it means nothing... but the way they did it works out great. 


So for the 2/3 of the special it work great. 

Where I went *ARE YOU SERIOUS!?* was the entire "Webby is Scrooge daughter" twist. 

It felt less like a natural idea and more like "OK! What's the most shocking thing we can think of?" Or even better, Frak Angones runing into the writers room and going :

- Hey gang! I just seen "Skywalker Rises"! Boy, that Rey is Emperors ganddaughter twist was amazing! I never check the message boards but I'm sure every single fan is in love with that one... Let's do something like that for the final episode!


But aside for the fact t fundamentaly changes relationship between the characters and... I find it siply it's supid and pointless.... It undercuts the entire message the episode was going for. Rather then have Webby learn that McDucks and Ducks are her family even when she is not related to them... Nah! She is no biologicaly in their awsome family.

This realy felt like they wanted to have their cake and eat it to... ad I'm not saying you can't do that but this is a case where they clearly tripped in the process and landed with their face in the cake. 
 
I also hate this since I did love the idea Webby was the one who found the Papirus since I asumed what they are going for is that she is not related to Scrooge so being his family at heart it's all that counts... But in the end, nope. It's all genes.


Speaking of Papirus - I'm still not sure how that contract thing works. I guess the idea is that now Scrooge is phisicaly unable to do anyting exiting and that' fine. On some level creepy. But isn't the idea that in return Bradford won't harm his family? BUT THE FIRST THING HE DO after Scrooge signs the deal is trying to kill Donald. Shoudn't THAT brake the pact in a split second? This felt like breaking the rules they just established...

I guess one can argue that the contract didn't promise Scrooge his family will be safe in anyway (ala Hades deal in Disney "Hercules") which makes little sense why Scrooge agree to this. Isn't the point of this sacrafice to keep his family safe? Felt like a mess.


Speaking of the villain - I find Bradford an ok character. They clearly went out of their way to gave him as rich backstory and many angles as possible... Yet, I can't help to find his reason for being so anti-Scrooge to over the top. I woudn't mind it but for a villian who do things as horrbile as he (including murdering people and psychologicaly manipulating them in case of Webby) I wish he had more darker motivation. The proportion between his backstory and his dark side felt unbalanced to e. 


I also was hoping this episode will somehow involve (and end) Magica/Poe arc but they didn't touched upon it. 



THIS ALL BEING SAID - I still enjoy the episode. I appriciate how much it had going on, I like a lot of character moments (I'm kind of imprest they mange to gave so many of the characters arcs) and I enjoy the action scenes. 

And boy, oh boy, I coudn't help but to get a little bit teary eyed during the credit.

 
Despite some big hickups it was a great show and I hope it will open Disney to possiblity of using more of Disney comic character in the future. 

[That Duckfan]

What's happening? Who's the mother?

[Fergus McDuck]

Mar 16, 2021 21:55:50 GMT Pan Maciej said:

*Sight*... 

You know, at first I realy loved where the story is going. 

I loved the opening with Webby's party being a setup to bust FOWL (nice to finaly see Fethry/Donald interaction on this show BTW) 

I actualy not mind May and June being clones of Webby (feels like a nice commentary on the fact that orginal Webby was pretty much... well... their clone) and I did found interesitng where the story was going.

I especialy like the part where Webby is showing them the family tree she made.

- This is my family.
- But they are mostly McDucks... they aren't related to you. Where is your real family?
- What? No, this is my family... 
- But where is your *real* family?

I like that episode actualy went into some stuff that are heavy for kids (especialy these who got adopted) and Kate Micucci realy sold emotion of Webby here (even when she talks with a happy voice there is a layer of sadness her) and there is something actualy strong about the part where June is trying to remove photos from the tree of people not related to Webby, which leads to Lena trying to stop June and Webby geting angry at her for attacking *her* sister.  

After that scene I was honestly hoping the episode will go into more of Webby torn between her biological family and her adopted one, but after all this is an "adventure" show.  

Still all the emotional stuff about Webby talking with her Granny about her parents was well exectued and when we later learn that she was lied all these years it's genuinely heart breaking. 


I didn't mind Webby being FOWL experiment. I think it's a clever idea for us to learn she is not related to her grandother and the way it ties to the message they are going for about family having nothing to do with blood relation. Again I wish they would explore it tad more of showing how this revelation changes their relationship before Webby realise it means nothing... but the way they did it works out great. 


So for the 2/3 of the special it work great. 

Where I went *ARE YOU SERIOUS!?* was the entire "Webby is Scrooge daughter" twist. 

It felt less like a natural idea and more like "OK! What's the most shocking thing we can think of?" Or even better, Frak Angones runing into the writers room and going :

- Hey gang! I just seen "Skywalker Rises"! Boy, that Rey is Emperors ganddaughter twist was amazing! I never check the message boards but I'm sure every single fan is in love with that one... Let's do something like that for the final episode!


But aside for the fact t fundamentaly changes relationship between the characters and... I find it siply it's supid and pointless.... It undercuts the entire message the episode was going for. Rather then have Webby learn that McDucks and Ducks are her family even when she is not related to them... Nah! She is no biologicaly in their awsome family.

This realy felt like they wanted to have their cake and eat it to... ad I'm not saying you can't do that but this is a case where they clearly tripped in the process and landed with their face in the cake. 
 
I also hate this since I did love the idea Webby was the one who found the Papirus since I asumed what they are going for is that she is not related to Scrooge so being his family at heart it's all that counts... But in the end, nope. It's all genes.


Speaking of Papirus - I'm still not sure how that contract thing works. I guess the idea is that now Scrooge is phisicaly unable to do anyting exiting and that' fine. On some level creepy. But isn't the idea that in return Bradford won't harm his family? BUT THE FIRST THING HE DO after Scrooge signs the deal is trying to kill Donald. Shoudn't THAT brake the pact in a split second? This felt like breaking the rules they just established...

I guess one can argue that the contract didn't promise Scrooge his family will be safe in anyway (ala Hades deal in Disney "Hercules") which makes little sense why Scrooge agree to this. Isn't the point of this sacrafice to keep his family safe? Felt like a mess.


Speaking of the villain - I find Bradford an ok character. They clearly went out of their way to gave him as rich backstory and many angles as possible... Yet, I can't help to find his reason for being so anti-Scrooge to over the top. I woudn't mind it but for a villian who do things as horrbile as he (including murdering people and psychologicaly manipulating them in case of Webby) I wish he had more darker motivation. The proportion between his backstory and his dark side felt unbalanced to e. 


I also was hoping this episode will somehow involve (and end) Magica/Poe arc but they didn't touched upon it. 



THIS ALL BEING SAID - I still enjoy the episode. I appriciate how much it had going on, I like a lot of character moments (I'm kind of imprest they mange to gave so many of the characters arcs) and I enjoy the action scenes. 

And boy, oh boy, I coudn't help but to get a little bit teary eyed during the credit.

 
Despite some big hickups it was a great show and I hope it will open Disney to possiblity of using more of Disney comic character in the future. 

Angones claims he had it all planned out but we all know he didn't. If so, wouldn't Heron mention this in "Confidential Case Files?" What reason would she have to play along with Mrs Beakley's lie?

[Fergus McDuck]

And also, I know you're not supposed to post more then once in a row, but anyone else think it's funny that Scrooge never acknowledges June or May, who would also be his daughters? Nah, he just ships them off to sea with his nephew cause he hasn't known them as long.

[Pan Maciej]

I do have to revisit "Confidential Case Files" to see how much this episode contradicts the finaly but my only guess would be that at that point Heron wasn't aware Webby was the girl Beakly taken away.

I guess by the shows logic May and June where clone from Webby so that makes them their sisters... Not sure how that entire cloning relation works.


One thing I forgot to mention - I like is that VonDrake was alive all this time. His zany explenation why he didn't aged (or die) is something I prefer over any of Scrooge's and Goldies supernatural reasoning...

[Fergus McDuck]

I think Webby being Scrooge's daughter really plays into the whole problem with the current state of Uncle Scrooge/DuckTales. The entire point of the original was the focus on Scrooge and his nephew's relationship. As he mentions in the pilot of the original he never had any family, Huey, Dewey, and Louie are all he has, and that they remind him of himself at that age. Scrooge is a lonely man who never had any children and he needed his nephews. There was a certain tragic undertone to the whole thing. But now, by giving Scrooge a daughter you ruin that. And one could justify by comparing it to Matilda and Scrooge reuniting, but I would say there's a HUGE difference between reuniting with your sister and finding out you have a daughter. And also, why did Scrooge's clone come out as a girl? And a clone isn't a biological descendent, by that logic May and June are Webby's daughters.

[Fergus McDuck]

Mar 16, 2021 23:18:59 GMT Pan Maciej said:

I do have to revisit "Confidential Case Files" to see how much this episode contradicts the finaly but my only guess would be that at that point Heron wasn't aware Webby was the girl Beakly taken away.

I guess by the shows logic May and June where clone from Webby so that makes them their sisters... Not sure how that entire cloning relation works.


One thing I forgot to mention - I like is that VonDrake was alive all this time. His zany explenation why he didn't aged (or die) is something I prefer over any of Scrooge's and Goldies supernatural reasoning...

Heron was incredibly high up in FOWL's ranks and would have at least known about the existence of Webby and that she was stolen. So, if you were black heron and ran into the same spy that stole the little girl from your lab 10 years ago now with a 10 year old "granddaughter" what's the first thing that's probably gonna come to your mind?