Ducktales 2017- Season 3 thread

[The KKM]

Look, I already told you not to double post, and you even acknowledge it this page. Are you just unaware you can edit your post, if you got something else to add? You can just edit the post you made to add more to it, rather than make a new repeat post.

As for this finale, what a disaster lol. Ruin the whole message of the show (as they've repeatedly done when trying to make a message) for an absurd premise. Just exhausting, really. Goodnight DT17 may you quick be forgotten

[Scrooge MacDuck]

Mar 17, 2021 2:53:53 GMT The KKM said:

Ruin the whole message of the show (as they've repeatedly done when trying to make a message) for an absurd premise

We'll never agree about the quality of this series, it seems — but on a factual level I have to disagree here. There is something quite clever, but left implicit, in the structure of the mystery here: which is that May and June couldn't get the Papyrus. Webby only “counted” because Scrooge considered her to be family by that point; the genetics were in fact besides the point. 

(Also, they make a point of highlighting that Webby still considers Beakley her granny even though she is no longer actually a blood relative; so essentially things have been switched between Scrooge and Beakley is all.)

[Fergus McDuck]

Mar 17, 2021 15:53:27 GMT Scrooge MacDuck said:

Mar 17, 2021 2:53:53 GMT The KKM said:

Ruin the whole message of the show (as they've repeatedly done when trying to make a message) for an absurd premise

We'll never agree about the quality of this series, it seems — but on a factual level I have to disagree here. There is something quite clever, but left implicit, in the structure of the mystery here: which is that May and June couldn't get the Papyrus. Webby only “counted” because Scrooge considered her to be family by that point; the genetics were in fact besides the point. 

(Also, they make a point of highlighting that Webby still considers Beakley her granny even though she is no longer actually a blood relative; so essentially things have been switched between Scrooge and Beakley is all.)

That doesn't make any sense, Scrooge never considered Webby as his daughter, and it's said it only reveals itself to direct descendants. 

[Pan Maciej]

Well desendant dosen't have to be genetic.

Note that Huey asumed it will be him or one of his brothers who will find it.

[Scrooge MacDuck]

Mar 17, 2021 21:16:26 GMT Fergus McDuck said:

That doesn't make any sense, Scrooge never considered Webby as his daughter, and it's said it only reveals itself to direct descendants. 

No — the phrasing of the Papyrus was “a rightful heir of Scrooge McDuck”. The whole point, remember, back when Scrooge scribbled it on the Papyrus, was to protect Donald and Della, his niece and nephew, by making sure they'd be the only logical candidates.

[aldwayne]

Like I said in the other thread, I don't care much for Bradford being both a hypocrite and insincere. I can accept that he never had the stomach for the Woodchuck life, resented it and perhaps his mother for it. Making him behind Della's disappearance is a cop-out since it just means that Della and Scoorge ultimately weren't responsible for the disaster that happened and that he doesn't have any legit arguments. The show also never really set up Bradford having such a deep enmity for Scrooge himself as opposed to his way of doing things, hence making him do things like trying to blackmail Scrooge with his nephew's life then trying to kill said nephew anyway over-the-top.

[mousemaestro]

Mar 16, 2021 1:39:28 GMT Fergus McDuck said:

This has to be one of the most ridiculous endings ever. So...Webby is Scrooge's cloned daughter...you can't tell me this whole thing doesn't feel like a fanfiction.

For gosh sakes.....

Professionals were paid for that writing.

[Pan Maciej]

Mar 18, 2021 12:28:45 GMT aldwayne said:

The show also never really set up Bradford having such a deep enmity for Scrooge himself as opposed to his way of doing things, hence making him do things like trying to blackmail Scrooge with his nephew's life then trying to kill said nephew anyway over-the-top.

From what l got Bradford hate more the concept of Scrooge is rather than Srooge as a person. 

But I agree it is disproportional having character do such evil thing for such silly reasons... I guess that's part of the charm of comic book villains but I think if they had some element that made him feel more tragic (like in Magica's case) it would work better. 

Etheir that or just make him totaly insane. 


But speaking of villains Black Haron is by far most dispicable character in this show as she trully feels to be evil for pure pleasure, takes pride in corrupting others and have no redeeming qualities. 

[djnyr]

Regarding Bradford, I actually like the concept of a character who is so obsessed with the idea of saving the world from itself that he becomes a ruthless supervillain in the process, while still seeing himself as a hero. For instance, I thought that making Thanos into a character like this in Infinity War was much better than presenting him as a simple nihilist literally in love with death, as he was in the comics.  There are no villains like this in Disney comics (at least that I can think of), so using this type in a Duck context could have been interesting if done right. 

Of course, since this is Angones and company we're talking about, it wasn't done right.  A villain of the movie-Thanos type needs to have a truly grandiose, utopian goal to give him some tragic stature and also make him seem frighteningly megalomaniacal--he should say things like "I will end hunger!" "I will end war!" "This is the only way to keep never-ending chaos at bay!" "You may hate me, but future generations will bless me!" Bradford becomes a supervillain because he doesn't like danger and unpredictability, and wants to run the world like a stodgy corporation; this just doesn't have the flavor of twisted idealism and scary hubris that should mark a villain of this kind.

Also, as always with this show, the writers try to have it both ways. They make Bradford a fussy, uptight micro-manager who stubbornly insists that he's not a villain and who is irritated by the bombast of characters like Scrooge and Taurus Bulba--but then have him turn into a gleefully evil and sadistic ranting supervillain for Drama! and Raised Stakes! for the finale. They also make him obsessed with personally besting Scrooge ("No! I can't lose to Scrooge!"), since that's what all villains on this show have to be obsessed with, even though for most of the show he's treated Scrooge like a frustrating nuisance rather than a personal enemy.

[Fergus McDuck]

Mar 18, 2021 0:20:34 GMT Scrooge MacDuck said:

Mar 17, 2021 21:16:26 GMT Fergus McDuck said:

That doesn't make any sense, Scrooge never considered Webby as his daughter, and it's said it only reveals itself to direct descendants. 

No — the phrasing of the Papyrus was “a rightful heir of Scrooge McDuck”. The whole point, remember, back when Scrooge scribbled it on the Papyrus, was to protect Donald and Della, his niece and nephew, by making sure they'd be the only logical candidates.

Yes, it was. What show were you watching?

[Scrooge MacDuck]

Mar 19, 2021 23:38:40 GMT Fergus McDuck said:

Yes, it was. What show were you watching?

I just double-checked The First Adventure. Scrooge's line is most definitely “Papyrus, I ask that you be lost once more until the rightful heir of Scrooge McDuck can find your final resting place”. The on-screen papyrus drops the ‘rightful’ (I assume just because the animators found it hard to cram the extra word in there), but otherwise bears this out. There is nothing in there about it having to be a “direct descendant” — or indeed a blood relation, even if that's clearly what Bradford assumed.

[Fergus McDuck]

Mar 20, 2021 1:28:57 GMT Scrooge MacDuck said:

Mar 19, 2021 23:38:40 GMT Fergus McDuck said:

Yes, it was. What show were you watching?

I just double-checked The First Adventure. Scrooge's line is most definitely “Papyrus, I ask that you be lost once more until the rightful heir of Scrooge McDuck can find your final resting place”. The on-screen papyrus drops the ‘rightful’ (I assume just because the animators found it hard to cram the extra word in there), but otherwise bears this out. There is nothing in there about it having to be a “direct descendant” — or indeed a blood relation, even if that's clearly what Bradford assumed.

That doesn't make any sense. In the episode Huey says very clearly it only opens to a direct descendent. It's not just something Bradford assumed, it's said Huey as well, it's how they find out Webby is Scrooge's daughter in the first place. And if you're saying Bradford misunderstood the papyrus and thought it was only a direct descendent that still doesn't explain why he didn't try to have May or June open it.

[Scrooge MacDuck]

Mar 20, 2021 13:06:41 GMT Fergus McDuck said:

In the episode Huey says very clearly it only opens to a direct descendent.

Well, yes, and he's wrong, much like Bradford.

Mar 20, 2021 13:06:41 GMT Fergus McDuck said:

And if you're saying Bradford misunderstood the papyrus and thought it was only a direct descendent that still doesn't explain why he didn't try to have May or June open it.

But he did try, that's the point! It's clearly stated that May and June were written off as “failures” by FOWL, hence their putting them back in their tubes and going with the backup plans of using them to get Webby herself back. Note also how the girls are impressed when Webby gets the Papyrus (“She did it!") and the form taken by their later anger at FOWL's reason for creating them ("FOWL made us to get a stupid piece of paper? And we weren't even good enought to do that!").

I think we're clearly meant to infer that shortly after cloning them, FOWL did try to get May and June to get the Papyrus, and they failed (hence their resorting to kidnapping Webby again). FOWL didn't realise why, but the reason was that although they were genetically 'descended' from Scrooge, he did not consider them family (heck, he did not even know they existed), and thus they weren't rightful heirs, unlike Webby, whom Scrooge already saw as a rightful heir even if he didn't know they were related by Blot. It's Bradford misunderstanding the Ducks' philosophy of families yet again.

[Fergus McDuck]

Mar 20, 2021 15:14:39 GMT Scrooge MacDuck said:

Mar 20, 2021 13:06:41 GMT Fergus McDuck said:

In the episode Huey says very clearly it only opens to a direct descendent.

Well, yes, and he's wrong, much like Bradford.

Mar 20, 2021 13:06:41 GMT Fergus McDuck said:

And if you're saying Bradford misunderstood the papyrus and thought it was only a direct descendent that still doesn't explain why he didn't try to have May or June open it.

But he did try, that's the point! It's clearly stated that May and June were written off as “failures” by FOWL, hence their putting them back in their tubes and going with the backup plans of using them to get Webby herself back. Note also how the girls are impressed when Webby gets the Papyrus (“She did it!") and the form taken by their later anger at FOWL's reason for creating them ("FOWL made us to get a stupid piece of paper? And we weren't even good enought to do that!").

I think we're clearly meant to infer that shortly after cloning them, FOWL did try to get May and June to get the Papyrus, and they failed (hence their resorting to kidnapping Webby again). FOWL didn't realise why, but the reason was that although they were genetically 'descended' from Scrooge, he did not consider them family (heck, he did not even know they existed), and thus they weren't rightful heirs, unlike Webby, whom Scrooge already saw as a rightful heir even if he didn't know they were related by Blot. It's Bradford misunderstanding the Ducks' philosophy of families yet again.

If he tried with May and June and it failed then why does Bradford still think it means direct descendent and go after Webby specifically?

[Scrooge MacDuck]

Mar 20, 2021 17:36:55 GMT Fergus McDuck said:

If he tried with May and June and it failed then why does Bradford still think it means direct descendent and go after Webby specifically?

Possibly he thought the problem was that May and June were “two steps removed” from Scrooge (clones of Webby rather than of Scrooge directly)? I don't think it especially matters.