The "ultimate" Duck family tree

[sim]

- Humphrey Gokart having a brother in this story, called Deleterio
- Gus' cousin from here is called Rimpinzio and they both have a great-uncle called Sbafonio
- Gyro's has a nephew called Son-Na-Frana, who is son of a Japanese cousin, in I TL 2088-1
- Donald's uncle Joao Barbosa from this story
- Scrooge's Australian cousin Paperotto de' Paperotti in this very old Martina (?) story

plus there are some more relative (US' and DD's uncles and cousins) seen or mentioned in old Italian stories: Donald's aunt Paperalfonsina is mentioned here for example; and Scrooge's twin brother is not called Papirone in the story but he shares the same name

scans of Paperotto:

[stuftmcduck]

Apr 11, 2021 21:08:23 GMT LP said:

Apr 11, 2021 1:29:12 GMT stuftmcduck said:

I come back essentially on a whim for the first time in a long time due to being in the mood for goofy stuff like Disney comics as the quacking plague winds down, and to my unimaginable delight I find this! You are a worthy successor, nay, SURPASSOR, to Gilles Maurice. You did indeed find some errors, or what I think were errors, in Gilles' tree - I like that you moved Alex Gearloose ahead (he's supposed to be a contemporary of Edison, who stole the idea for the lightbulb from him, yet Gilles' tree had him earlier than Socrates, who was in the pioneer era and thus probably lived around the same time as Cornelius Coot), and you dropped non-marriage romantic relationships; Gilles including those was always odd to me. And is that the scan of the infamous Aunt Audree I found after Gilles himself told me what issue she was in? Touched if so!

I'll be watching this like a hawk (any of those related to Donald?) to see if and how this develops further. Did you make any annotations as to who debuted where and such? Would be honored to see them if so! As for finding new scans, I humbly suggest a couple resources: my own earlier thread in this very forum, "Mystery ducks on the Gilles Maurice family tree," and Gilles' explanatory table from his first version of the tree, which, though gone from his site now, can be viewed with the magic of archive.org: web.archive.org/web/20010907083547/http://goofy313g.free.fr/calisota_online/trees/myducktree.html

Keep me and everyone else here posted!

Fourth of all, yes - you and your thread were indeed very helpful in my making of the tree! So thanks! Maybe you could help me identify the stories that the non-pictured characters in my tree come from? I hope to eventually put a face to each character! (And I'd rather not just copy-paste the cropped images from Gilles' tree!)

I can indeed help you with some of those, thanks to my OCD-fueled hunt for everyone on Gilles' tree. I THINK I've found a story everyone with a picture on his tree, with the help of the lovely people here and even Gilles himself! So, from left to right on the tree, and earliest to latest...

* Joakim McDuck: inducks.org/story.php?c=I+TL++719-C&search= (not completely sure?)
* Timothy Gearloose: inducks.org/s.php?c=B+790036
* Kerababor McDuck: inducks.org/story.php?c=D++5920&search=
* Klazien Gadwall and the Trouwharts: inducks.org/story.php?c=H+21178&search=
* Penael Bung: inducks.org/story.php?c=B+790131&search=
* Mick McMerganser & lady friend: inducks.org/story.php?c=D++7156&search=McMerganser (also not totally sure)
* Florian de Canard: inducks.org/story.php?c=D+92071&search=
* Paper McDuck, Donald Butler, Gladstone Wilkes, and everyone else who's a duck-ified Gone With the Wind character: inducks.org/story.php?c=I+TL+1396-AP&search=
* Guldbrand, Salomon, Vermund McWildduck: inducks.org/story.php?c=D++6190&search=
* Patatinhas: inducks.org/story.php?c=B+830141&search=
* Arsene McDuck: inducks.org/story.php?c=I+TL++690-A&search=
* Amanda: inducks.org/story.php?c=D++9172&search=
* Kittie Coot: inducks.org/issue.php?c=dk%2FAA1974-41
* Douglas Duck: inducks.org/story.php?c=D++7296
* Angus Duck: inducks.org/story.php?c=D++4947&search=
* Agathe McDuck: inducks.org/story.php?c=D++8082&search=
* Calamity Daisy:https://inducks.org/story.php?c=B+930082&search=
* Darius: inducks.org/story.php?c=D+96055&search=
* Egbert #1: inducks.org/story.php?c=D++8074&search=
* Egbert #2: inducks.org/story.php?c=D+95113&search=
* Smorfio: A story Gilles says has the Inducks code "IP23461," but nothing comes up. Apparently a Christmas special where Donald gets yelled at by him because he hates holidays.
* Andedun Duck: Somewhere in here: inducks.org/issue.php?c=dk%2FAA1971-52
* Andreas Drake: Possibly inducks.org/story.php?c=D++1187
* Wilma McDuck (called Meg on the Inducks): inducks.org/story.php?c=D+10094
* Ian and Jacob: A kids' book called "Donald and the Loch Ness Monster"
* Angus McDuck 1: inducks.org/story.php?c=D++7984&search=
* Angus McDuck 2: inducks.org/story.php?c=D+88149
* Jason McDuck: inducks.org/story.php?c=I+PM++160-4
* Adolphus Mortimer: inducks.org/story.php?c=S+71291&search=treasure%20portrait
* Jack McDuck: inducks.org/story.php?c=D++7296&search=
* Azalea: inducks.org/story.php?c=H+95189&search=
* Jake: inducks.org/story.php?c=I+PK+++22-1
* Fritz: inducks.org/story.php?c=S+63051&search=
* Landy and Molly: inducks.org/story.php?c=S+71377&search=
* Dali Duck: inducks.org/issue.php?c=dk%2FAA1974-21
* Baldwin von Drake: inducks.org/story.php?c=I+TL+1294-A&search=
* Gandy: inducks.org/story.php?c=S+77142&search=
* Dimmy: inducks.org/story.php?c=W+JW++++3-02&search=Dimmy

Eager to see the tree sparkling with scans of these!

[Matilda]

For Kittie Coot, it looks like you have a link to an issue, but the story with that character would be Visit from the City, a GD story where Kittie is the visitor.

Also, the link as you have it for Wilma/Meg McDuck doesn't work for me, because of the asterisk; it's a Ducktales story, A Trip to Scotland.

[stuftmcduck]

Apr 12, 2021 1:41:39 GMT Matilda said:

For Kittie Coot, it looks like you have a link to an issue, but the story with that character would be Visit from the City, a GD story where Kittie is the visitor.

Also, the link as you have it for Wilma/Meg McDuck doesn't work for me, because of the asterisk; it's a Ducktales story, A Trip to Scotland.

Thank you! Seems I forgot to hit "return!"

[sim]

Apr 11, 2021 22:46:08 GMT sim said:

- Humphrey Gokart having a brother in this story, called Deleterio
- Gus' cousin from here is called Rimpinzio and they both have a great-uncle called Sbafonio
- Gyro's has a nephew called Son-Na-Frana, who is son of a Japanese cousin, in I TL 2088-1
- Donald's uncle Joao Barbosa from this story
- Scrooge's Australian cousin Paperotto de' Paperotti in this very old Martina (?) story

plus there are some more relative (US' and DD's uncles and cousins) seen or mentioned in old Italian stories: Donald's aunt Paperalfonsina is mentioned here for example; and Scrooge's twin brother is not called Papirone in the story but he shares the same name

scans of Paperotto:

- US and GD's (sic!) uncle Gustavo is mentioned in I AT  83-A
- Donald's "extremely distant uncle" Eustace Quack in D 2003-133 leaves him an inheritance
- DD and GL's uncle Philip Papergrull, deceased at age 97 in Minnesota, is mentioned in I TLT  47-AP
- Scrooge's deceased aunt Maggie McPaperosch is seen in a few flashback in I TL 377-A -> I personally believe she is Margareth McDuck (one of Quagmire's two daughters)
- Scrooge's deceased aunt Ethelbertha Pap Paper from New Zealand leaves him two cats in I TL 366-B
- GD's great-uncle Cirillo is shown in a flashback in I TL 2643-4

[Scrooge MacDuck]

Apr 12, 2021 7:41:14 GMT sim said:

- US and GD's (sic!)

*good-natured outraged growling*

[Matilda]

Scrooge and Elvira being siblings or not at all blood-related: only the most prominent of the many instances demonstrating the impossibility of reconciling every officially published Duck family "fact." You can waffle on a wikia entry, but you gotta come down on one side or the other if you want to construct a family tree.

On the subject of whether Daisy is a blood relative of the boys: once again, let me say that it's irrelevant whether the boys call her "Aunt Daisy" (though I'll be perfectly happy to have it confirmed that Barks didn't have them say that). For many, many mid-20th century Americans, such an address was in common usage by children for adult friends of the family. It felt too formal to call the person "Miss Duck" but it was unthinkable for a child to call an adult "Daisy." The solution was to use "aunt/uncle" as the courtesy title. This was true in some other languages/cultures as well, with "aunt/uncle" being used as a courtesy title for adult family friends. In parts of Italy the equivalent courtesy titles were "godmother/godfather," used by children to address any adult close family friend, not just their actual godparents.

If Barks had the boys call Daisy "Daisy," that may indicate that he did not grow up with this practice of courtesy titles *or* that he wanted to avoid confusing the child-reader into thinking that Daisy was the boys' actual aunt *or* that he disliked Daisy so much that he wanted to keep her tangential to the family constellation.

[stuftmcduck]

Apr 12, 2021 12:45:31 GMT Scrooge MacDuck said:

Apr 12, 2021 7:41:14 GMT sim said:

- US and GD's (sic!)

*good-natured outraged growling*

* irritated duck noises *

[LP]

Update #1:
Hi, everybody. First of all, thank you for participating in this massive project! I've updated the image in the original post of this thread. Here's a list of the more "interesting" updates and major edits I've made:

I've added Deleterio Gokart, Grandma's two cousins - one of which has a son, Gyro's two aunts and one niece, Philip Papergrull, Paperalfonsina, Son-Na-Frana, John D. Rockerduck's grand-niece Ilary Duck, Victor von Goose, and Paperotto de' Paperotti to the tree. That unnamed aunt of Daisy's had been added as Bertrand Wister's wife.

I've merged Grandma Duck's uncle Gus with Gustavo (who is both Grandma and Scrooge's uncle). I've moved Amanda (who is both Grandma and Scrooge's cousin) and made her Gustavo's daughter. (Maybe Gustavo's wife was a McDuck?)

I've added Eustace Quack as a super-distant uncle to Donald. I made him Humphrey Gokart's maternal grandfather. I don't believe that's a problem, but if it is, I'll just have to relocate him.

Zak McWak is no longer HDL's paternal uncle. Instead he's Humperdink's sister's son. I also made Paperozzo Zak's son, rather than Upsy's.

I put Donald's uncle Manny as Mel Mallard's father. Earlier I had Marmaduke Mallard in this position, but he is now Mel's grandfather.

When it comes to Bogey McDivot, I chose to keep my original placement. I read the interview from which the names "Margaret" and "Elizabeth" originate. They are made up by the interviewer, and not John Lustig himself. The same is true for "Bogey" being a nickname for "Bogford".
As for Lustig's idea of how Bogey is related to Scrooge and Flintheart... I disagree. He suggests that Quagmire McDuck had two daughters. One is the mother of Bogey, the other of Flintheart. This would mean that Bogey is Scrooge's second cousin, but Flintheart's first cousin. However, Bogey being equally closely related to both of them is a major plot-point in the story. So this suggested genealogy wouldn't work. From reading the interview, it seems that all of this was made up on the spot when the interviewer asked him, so I don't blame him for not thinking it through fully.
Instead of merging Maggie McPaperosch with Margareth McDuck, I made her Gummo McDuck's wife.

I thought that Dick O'Drake (Paperdick) would fit better as Aunt Eider's brother. If Eider can be an aunt, then he can still be an uncle. Ocagliostro XI is apparently another character who is related to both Scrooge and Rockerduck. I made him Dick's son, and Duckpaper McPaperduck's grandson. However, Ocagliostro is apparently Scrooge and Rockerduck's fourth cousin, meaning that Dick, Eider and Duckpaper's relation to the families had to be altered accordingly.

I've added Gladstone's grand-uncle Coodle O'Luck, but I changed his named to Gander.

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Questions that have arisen since last time:
Donald's uncle Joao Barbosa was mentioned with the link inducks.org/story.php?c=XA+EPD+308 . However, the link leads to a story in which the only character of interest listed is Alonzo Alvarez, who is noted as Donald's cousin. I don't know what to make of that.

I found an image of Pampero O'Drake... but he's the character listed as Arsene McDuck on Gilles' tree. Are these one and the same? What does the story he's from say about his relation to Scrooge?

I added the character Genoveffa (mentioned by Sim in his or her family tree-thread) as Aunt Eider's daughter. However, I've seen the name "Genoveffa" refer to Eider herself... Are these two really separate characters?

I found the Rockerduck family tree in the Picsou Soir. Who is this Oscar character and who is he said to be related to in the story he's from? Where would he fit best in my tree?

[Scrooge MacDuck]

Apr 16, 2021 11:47:38 GMT LP said:

I found the Rockerduck family tree in the Picsou Soir. Who is this Oscar character and who is he said to be related to in the story he's from? Where would he fit best in my tree?

Oscar Maraucanar is the French name of Marmaduke Mallard. I'm not sure where the design is from.

[sim]

Apr 16, 2021 11:47:38 GMT LP said:

Update #1:
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Questions that have arisen since last time:
Donald's uncle Joao Barbosa was mentioned with the link inducks.org/story.php?c=XA+EPD+308 . However, the link leads to a story in which the only character of interest listed is Alonzo Alvarez, who is noted as Donald's cousin. I don't know what to make of that.

I found an image of Pampero O'Drake... but he's the character listed as Arsene McDuck on Gilles' tree. Are these one and the same? What does the story he's from say about his relation to Scrooge?

I added the character Genoveffa (mentioned by Sim in his or her family tree-thread) as Aunt Eider's daughter. However, I've seen the name "Genoveffa" refer to Eider herself... Are these two really separate characters?

I found the Rockerduck family tree in the Picsou Soir. Who is this Oscar character and who is he said to be related to in the story he's from? Where would he fit best in my tree?

- Joao Barbosa is the name in the original version and he is supposed to be DD's uncle, I don't know why in Italy he has been called Alonzo Alvarez and made cousin
- Don Pepe Pampero Pamperon is said to be US' grandfather in I TL 690-A, I suppose that Arsene is the name given in France
- Forget about Genoveffa! INDUCKS says it is the same character and idk actually (they look pretty different), and btw Genoveffa is the Italian name for aunt Eider so they might be the same person, as I suggest in an upcoming blog post about RKD and US's shared relatives
- Achille is right! That should be Marmaduke Mallard (at least in my personal headcanon), the drawing was made by a former DCF member, Quackberg

ps. I was the one who interviewed Lustig about Bogey's relation

[stuftmcduck]

It's so great to have a "living" catalogue of Duckpersons once again! I hope my story links were at least some help. Looking forward to future developments!

Where, might I ask, did you get "Wister" as the name of Daisy's mother's line? Is it official or an invented placeholder, like Gilles' "Shelduck?"

[sim]

Apr 16, 2021 18:46:54 GMT stuftmcduck said:

Where, might I ask, did you get "Wister" as the name of Daisy's mother's line? Is it official or an invented placeholder, like Gilles' "Shelduck?"

Sir Bertrand Wister III is Daisy's uncle in D 8294.

[stuftmcduck]

Apr 16, 2021 18:53:30 GMT sim said:

Apr 16, 2021 18:46:54 GMT stuftmcduck said:

Where, might I ask, did you get "Wister" as the name of Daisy's mother's line? Is it official or an invented placeholder, like Gilles' "Shelduck?"

Sir Bertrand Wister III is Daisy's uncle in D 8294.

Thanks for that!

[Scroogerello]

Nice work! Here’s my two (or three) cents:

- Genoveffa is Huey, Dewey and Louie’s aunt and Scrooge’s cousin from this story: inducks.org/story.php?c=S+AT++215-C . Inducks has her as aunt Eider, but I wouldn’t pay attention to that (Inducks has a rather annoying tendency to see continuity where there is none (such as insisting that Granny De Spell and Nonna Caraldina are the same character, even though Caraldina’s creator has said that they aren’t...). There’s images of her in Eider’s inducks 

- Gummo is Scrooge’s *great*-uncle, according to the original English text of the story he appears in.

- Those cousins can’t be Klazien and Bertus’ kids— the story where Klazien and Bertus are from, explains Bertus was lost on a safari shortly after their wedding, which is why Klazien ended up leaving the Trouwhart farm to her niece (Grandma Duck).

- Paperdick is Donald’s uncle and Scrooge’s cousin. So he’s more likely in Scrooge’s generation (maybe a son of Nestor O’Drake)

- The name of Daisy’s aunt (Betrand’s wife on your tree) is Begonia in the Dutch version.

- Gyro’s aunt Polly that I mentioned earlier is from this story inducks.org/story.php?c=I%20TL%203175-2

- Turns out Gala Gander is the German name of Linda Paper (Gladstone’s equally lucky ladyfriend), so probably not his cousin after all.


And a few more relatives not yet on the tree:

- That old Daisy family tree I just posted in the “Daisy’s relatives”-thread has a number of relatives, not yet on your tree, including Daisy’s grandmother who appears in a flashback this Freddy Milton story: inducks.org/story.php?c=H%2025075 and Daisy’s relatives called the “Duckfields”(some kind of Beverly Hillbillies parody?)— I don’t know what story those three are from, though.

- Believe it or not, Daisy has several relatives who are dogface characters(!): her great-aunt Ophelia from inducks.org/story.php?c=H+29116 and an aunt Mien from inducks.org/story.php?c=H+2014-508 . Both are Dutch one-pagers by Mau Heymans.

- Gyro has a cousin Gertrude in this story: inducks.org/story.php?c=D+94013

- Another Gyro uncle in this Fallberg story: inducks.org/story.php?c=S+77039

- And a nephew named Gally Leo from inducks.org/story.php?c=I+TL+2154-2

- Grandma Duck has a snobbish cousin (named Wilhelmina in Dutch and Gertrude in German) in this story: inducks.org/story.php?c=D+88113

Also, if you are adding tv show characters too, Wikipedia says Daisy has a Grandma named Lily and a cousin named Almanda in the current Mickey Mouse 3D show.

And finally, here’s a couple of images of characters who you already have on the tree:

Gyro’s niece Daniela

Glomgold’s Texan cousin 

And here’s a bunch of scans of cousin Amanda that Matilda posted in an older thread
featherysociety.proboards.com/thread/208/female-characters-duck-universe-categorized