Sim, where do you think Joao Barbosa would fit best? The Barbosa-surname suggests that he's the husband of an aunt. Do you have an image of Joao? What does he look like? And if Pampero is supposed to be Scrooge's grandfather rather than great-grandfather, should I merge him with Mac O'Drake?
Here's two relevant panels about Bertrand Wister:
I guess an argument could be made that he's actually Daisy's grand-uncle, based on his apparent age. Then Daisy's mother's maiden name could be "van Duck" from J.P. van Duck, instead. What do you think about that?
Scroogerello, I had a quick look at that Daisy-tree! Fascinating stuff! I have a bunch of questions about it! I'll be back later and write down my thoughts! I'll go through your list of things soon enough too!
I found the Rockerduck family tree in the Picsou Soir. Who is this Oscar character and who is he said to be related to in the story he's from? Where would he fit best in my tree?
Oscar Maraucanar is the French name of Marmaduke Mallard. I'm not sure where the design is from.
Looks to me like Miquel Pujol or Fernando Güell, but I'm not sure where it's from.
Speaking of which, LP -- do you have the relatives in the Uncle Scrooge Treasure Chest series? Daglas McScrooge might be a bit too early for you, but I know there's a couple of McDucks in the Manhattan story that seems to have settled in New York in the 1700s/1800s.
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I guess an argument could be made that he's actually Daisy's grand-uncle, based on his apparent age. Then Daisy's mother's maiden name could be "van Duck" from J.P. van Duck, instead. What do you think about that?
Meh, I don't think he looks that old. He looks to be no older than Scrooge, certainly, so if Scrooge is just Donald's uncle, he should be Daisy's uncle. But there is no reason to think Bertrand is Daisy's blood relative (certainly Daisy doesn't appear to be a daughter of the British nobility herself), so couldn't we simply have him as an uncle-in-law — who married one of Daisy's Van Duck aunts?
Sim, where do you think Joao Barbosa would fit best? The Barbosa-surname suggests that he's the husband of an aunt. Do you have an image of Joao? What does he look like? And if Pampero is supposed to be Scrooge's grandfather rather than great-grandfather, should I merge him with Mac O'Drake?
Here's two relevant panels about Bertrand Wister:
I guess an argument could be made that he's actually Daisy's grand-uncle, based on his apparent age. Then Daisy's mother's maiden name could be "van Duck" from J.P. van Duck, instead. What do you think about that?
Scroogerello, I had a quick look at that Daisy-tree! Fascinating stuff! I have a bunch of questions about it! I'll be back later and write down my thoughts! I'll go through your list of things soon enough too!
I recently read a Dutch (?) story including Donald's perfect cousin Ronald; a duck called Edipo (= Oedipus, but I can't recall if the surname is Papero = Duck) is related to both US and DD in I TL 1669-A; I don't know if you feel like considering Donald's "uncle" Amos P. Zoup from Gottfredson, I've always considered him as DD's aunt's husband.
About Pampero: well, he lived in the US, but I guess it could work.
By the way, here you have some scans:
Joao
Edipo
Maggie McPaperosch (might be translated in "McDuckintosh"?)
Post by Scrooge MacDuck on Apr 17, 2021 12:31:03 GMT
Anyway, you may or may not want to pay lip service to the idea that Rockerduck is somehow descended from Cornelius Coot. The idea appeared in Grote because in German his last name is (was?) "Erpel", the same name used for Cornelius; but it also cropped up again in a French redraw of Rosa's tree, which also stuck Gyro next to Gretchen Grebe, seemingly putting some support behind the idea of a relationship there (which I always thought Rosa must've had in the back of his mind). I don't know if it exists in any stories, though.
Also, um, it's a persistent problem with FamilyEcho, but did someone modify my tree? I hadn't seen it in a while, but it appeared when I checked it tday t have Klara, Corvus and Anna on it. I suppose it's possible I'd inserted them myself long ago and forgotten…? But I don't think so…
Speaking of which, LP -- do you have the relatives in the Uncle Scrooge Treasure Chest series? Daglas McScrooge might be a bit too early for you, but I know there's a couple of McDucks in the Manhattan story that seems to have settled in New York in the 1700s/1800s.
I'm not at all familiar with this Treasure Chest series. Even if any relatives are too old to be featured in my tree, I would still be interested in knowing about them! So feel free to post any information you have available!
[...] which also stuck Gyro next to Gretchen Grebe, seemingly putting some support behind the idea of a relationship there (which I always thought Rosa must've had in the back of his mind). I don't know if it exists in any stories, though.
A few days ago I read a '60/70s Italian story in which Scrooge claims that both DD and GY are his heirs and keep calling them both "nephews", I don't know how much it could be accountable for that though.
Bruce McDuck (Scrooge's first cousin in LP's tree) is actually said to be Donald's fifth cousin in the story in which he appears.
I was thinking of a more clever way to add Paperotto de' Paperotti maybe merging him with some mentioned-only relative, but I can't recall anybody from Australia (except Bruce of course).
I guess an argument could be made that he's actually Daisy's grand-uncle, based on his apparent age. Then Daisy's mother's maiden name could be "van Duck" from J.P. van Duck, instead. What do you think about that?
Meh, I don't think he looks that old. He looks to be no older than Scrooge, certainly, so if Scrooge is just Donald's uncle, he should be Daisy's uncle. But there is no reason to think Bertrand is Daisy's blood relative (certainly Daisy doesn't appear to be a daughter of the British nobility herself), so couldn't we simply have him as an uncle-in-law — who married one of Daisy's Van Duck aunts?
It should be noted that Scrooge is almost as old as Grandma Duck, even though he's in the same generation as her son. That's an annoying quirk in the Duck family tree. Just because the ancestors are on the same horizontal line doesn't necessarily mean that they are born within the same 5-10 year span. The McDucks are almost always born around 20 years before the Ducks, even though they are on the same "generation line". For example, Humperdink Duck was born around 1850, but Fergus McDuck was born around 1830 - which is probably when Humperdink's own father was born. All of this is Scrooge's age's fault.
I certainly interpreted Bertrand as Daisy's blood relative when I first read the story. I can't formulate exactly why right now. It might have had something to do with the fact that there's no aunt present, who would be the primary person Daisy would meet with, rather than her aunt's husband... probably. If Bertrand would have to be moved on the tree, I think I would prefer to have him as Daisy's father's mother's brother. And then Daisy's mother's maiden name is van Duck. But there should probably be some more research done about Daisy's numerous grandmothers to see if any of them could possibly be British nobility.
I recently read a Dutch (?) story including Donald's perfect cousin Ronald; a duck called Edipo (= Oedipus, but I can't recall if the surname is Papero = Duck) is related to both US and DD in I TL 1669-A; I don't know if you feel like considering Donald's "uncle" Amos P. Zoup from Gottfredson, I've always considered him as DD's aunt's husband.
About Pampero: well, he lived in the US, but I guess it could work.
Thanks for the scans, I really appreciate it! Do you have the Inducks-code for the Ronald-story? Do you think Edipo could work as Mazuma Duck's son, or somewhere else on that branch?
I've never considered Uncle Amos as a real uncle for Donald. As he himself says:
I don't even think Amos is married to one of Donald's aunts; I think "Uncle" is just a nickname.
Does Pampero's story mention what year he lived in? Because if it's early enough, I'd be fine with keeping him as the great-grandfather rather than grandfather.
Anyway, you may or may not want to pay lip service to the idea that Rockerduck is somehow descended from Cornelius Coot. The idea appeared in Grote because in German his last name is (was?) "Erpel", the same name used for Cornelius; but it also cropped up again in a French redraw of Rosa's tree, which also stuck Gyro next to Gretchen Grebe, seemingly putting some support behind the idea of a relationship there (which I always thought Rosa must've had in the back of his mind). I don't know if it exists in any stories, though.
Also, um, it's a persistent problem with FamilyEcho, but did someone modify my tree? I hadn't seen it in a while, but it appeared when I checked it tday t have Klara, Corvus and Anna on it. I suppose it's possible I'd inserted them myself long ago and forgotten…? But I don't think so…
I've read about that Rockerduck-Cornelius connection. If that's all there is, I would file that under "translation error". However, if you can find a story which explicitly mentions a relation between Cornelius and Rockerduck, I'll most likely add that connection to the tree. Grote's tree, while fascinating, has a bunch of weird stuff, which I don't take into account in mine.
The French tree you link also puts the Beagle Boys next to Cornelius, and Flintheart next to Rockerduck, not to mention that Daisy is far away from her nieces. It makes me think that the Rockerduck-Cornelius and Gretchen-Gyro placements are arbitrary.
About FamilyEcho - while I have a link to your tree saved somewhere, I assure you I'm not the one who edited it. How odd that anyone can edit like that!
A few days ago I read a '60/70s Italian story in which Scrooge claims that both DD and GY are his heirs and keep calling them both "nephews", I don't know how much it could be accountable for that though.
Huh, interesting. D'you have that one's INDUCKs code? I know there are a few stories where Gyro is present at "Duck family gatherings" at Grandma's farm (that "cave duck" story drawn by Strobl, for example), but this is more explicit about Gyro being a relative of Donald's than anything I've seen before.
A few days ago I read a '60/70s Italian story in which Scrooge claims that both DD and GY are his heirs and keep calling them both "nephews", I don't know how much it could be accountable for that though.
Bruce McDuck (Scrooge's first cousin in LP's tree) is actually said to be Donald's fifth cousin in the story in which he appears.
I was thinking of a more clever way to add Paperotto de' Paperotti maybe merging him with some mentioned-only relative, but I can't recall anybody from Australia (except Bruce of course).
Scrooge and Gyro being related is annoying. And it seems like the author has no idea what they're doing if Scrooge is calling Gyro a nephew and an heir! Do you have the Inducks-code?
Do you mean the Australian Bruce McDuck whom I have as Schraalhans' son? I'll have to re-read the Bruce story and place him somewhere else, then!
Dinkum Duck and Dali Duck are both from Australia. That's why I put them together. But they are only said to be related to Donald. I don't know how to translate "de' Paperotti", so I don't know where he would fit the best. If I do relocate Bruce, and both of them are distant McDuck-cousins from Australia, it would make sense to make them brothers.
I recently read a Dutch (?) story including Donald's perfect cousin Ronald; a duck called Edipo (= Oedipus, but I can't recall if the surname is Papero = Duck) is related to both US and DD in I TL 1669-A; I don't know if you feel like considering Donald's "uncle" Amos P. Zoup from Gottfredson, I've always considered him as DD's aunt's husband.
About Pampero: well, he lived in the US, but I guess it could work.
Thanks for the scans, I really appreciate it! Do you have the Inducks-code for the Ronald-story? Do you think Edipo could work as Mazuma Duck's son, or somewhere else on that branch?
I've never considered Uncle Amos as a real uncle for Donald. As he himself says:
I don't even think Amos is married to one of Donald's aunts; I think "Uncle" is just a nickname.
Does Pampero's story mention what year he lived in? Because if it's early enough, I'd be fine with keeping him as the great-grandfather rather than grandfather.
- I've always seen that "he's not really my uncle" as "he has married my aunt", in fact he is a dog, but that's just my thought - Ronald appears in D 2004-149 (not a Dutch story, sorry) - Edipo as Mazuma Duck's son wouldn't work because he should at least be in Scrooge's generation and related to him, since Scrooge could inherit his fortune - Pampero is Scrooge's age (or little younger) around mid '800 - Donald's rich cousin (I don't know his name) appears in H 95051-
I've read about that Rockerduck-Cornelius connection. If that's all there is, I would file that under "translation error". However, if you can find a story which explicitly mentions a relation between Cornelius and Rockerduck, I'll most likely add that connection to the tree. Grote's tree, while fascinating, has a bunch of weird stuff, which I don't take into account in mine.
The French tree you link also puts the Beagle Boys next to Cornelius, and Flintheart next to Rockerduck, not to mention that Daisy is far away from her nieces. It makes me think that the Rockerduck-Cornelius and Gretchen-Gyro placements are arbitrary.
I dunno — it'd seem like a weird coincidence for Gyro to be next to Gretchen specifically if that were so, given that it's such a commonly-held suspicion. Notably, Rockerduck and Gyro are actually on the tree (i.e. within the green), unlike Flintheart and the Beagles.
Regarding Grote, by the way, it is one thing that you do not retain its own creations (or the Erika Fuchs creations it inserts), but wouldn't you consider using some of its depictions of otherwise-unseen relatives? I am thinking, for example, Eider Coot.
Thanks for the confirmation re: FamilyEcho. As to why it's like that, the expectation is that it's used for real family trees, and so you'll only share the link with real relatives… I don't know of any better, free family-tree-building software (what did you use, yourself?).
By the way, just noticed you didn't have Whitewater and Fethry as siblings on this thing. I think that's a losing battle you're fighting here… but alright!
A few days ago I read a '60/70s Italian story in which Scrooge claims that both DD and GY are his heirs and keep calling them both "nephews", I don't know how much it could be accountable for that though.
Bruce McDuck (Scrooge's first cousin in LP's tree) is actually said to be Donald's fifth cousin in the story in which he appears.
I was thinking of a more clever way to add Paperotto de' Paperotti maybe merging him with some mentioned-only relative, but I can't recall anybody from Australia (except Bruce of course).
Scrooge and Gyro being related is annoying. And it seems like the author has no idea what they're doing if Scrooge is calling Gyro a nephew and an heir! Do you have the Inducks-code?
Do you mean the Australian Bruce McDuck whom I have as Schraalhans' son? I'll have to re-read the Bruce story and place him somewhere else, then!
Dinkum Duck and Dali Duck are both from Australia. That's why I put them together. But they are only said to be related to Donald. I don't know how to translate "de' Paperotti", so I don't know where he would fit the best. If I do relocate Bruce, and both of them are distant McDuck-cousins from Australia, it would make sense to make them brothers.
Since Papero just means Duck in English, a lot of relatives from Italian stories are called Paper-something; Paperotto de' Paperotti means nothing, it is just very similar to Paperone de' Paperoni, which is Italian name for Scrooge.
Bruce McDuck who lives in Australia is said to be DD's fifth cousin; about Paperotto: we only know that US' butler introduces him as "your cousin Paperotto de' Paperotti from Australia" and Scrooge claims they haven't seen in a long time, DD and nephews introduce themselves to him, so he probably has lived away all his life.
I can't remember that Italian story, but I guess we can discard the relationship since US and GY usually act as unrelated.