I thought Disney comic writers weren't allowed to include direct relatives
Well, that surprised me too, but maybe it will published in some special issue like the one dedicated to Gus where we see his parents, the only difference would be that (there) it was a flashback. I also suspected that he would be changed into some "uncle" before publication, but it would take away the sense of the story and the INDUCKS page (which oddly already exists) states that he is Goosetave.
Anyhow, rules about parents may be different now (I think): we see Magica's ones in a recent Astrup/Cavazzano, Clinton and Gertrude appear in a super-recent Italian story, Scrooge's parents are seen more and more, and also Fulton appeared in an Italian story a few years ago... it's like Don Rosa opened the way to it. The only difference, as I said, is that these all were flashbacks whereas Goosetave would appear in flesh. But I guess that, if the story has been approved and drawn, it's likely that the writer found a good way to include him. Keep in mind that Gladstone is an adult, and he is not the main character, we don't know much of his life/family. It would have been more complicated to explain the presence of HDL's parents, since they are kids.
What "super-recent Italian story" are you referring to? I'm intrigued!
Well, that surprised me too, but maybe it will published in some special issue like the one dedicated to Gus where we see his parents, the only difference would be that (there) it was a flashback. I also suspected that he would be changed into some "uncle" before publication, but it would take away the sense of the story and the INDUCKS page (which oddly already exists) states that he is Goosetave.
Anyhow, rules about parents may be different now (I think): we see Magica's ones in a recent Astrup/Cavazzano, Clinton and Gertrude appear in a super-recent Italian story, Scrooge's parents are seen more and more, and also Fulton appeared in an Italian story a few years ago... it's like Don Rosa opened the way to it. The only difference, as I said, is that these all were flashbacks whereas Goosetave would appear in flesh. But I guess that, if the story has been approved and drawn, it's likely that the writer found a good way to include him. Keep in mind that Gladstone is an adult, and he is not the main character, we don't know much of his life/family. It would have been more complicated to explain the presence of HDL's parents, since they are kids.
What "super-recent Italian story" are you referring to? I'm intrigued!
It is so recent that it’s not indexed yet, I am talking about a story drawn by Paolo Mottura and published in Topolino a few weeks ago… I will attach a scan tonight as I get home.
Okay, so: this is the millionth retelling of Dickens' A Christmas Carol and it's a story about Grandma Duck and her farm. We learn that Cornelius Coot was the first taking care of it, Clinton after him, then Casey and then Gertrude. The Coots appear in this page and in several panels as portraits, Cornelius also makes an appearance as a ghost (really frightening!) and they actually appear somehow else throughout the story but I don't mean to spoiler more than I have already done. It is unclear why Gertrude would have succeeded to Casey as the farm's keeper, since she should be his mother and (therefore) obviously older than him. Maybe this is an attempt to make Casey appear as somebody who lived way way back in the past and to explain why he is not around nowadays.
Sim: Having heard about the Astrup/Cavazzano story that delves into Magica's origins from your post, I looked it up on Inducks and was just able to order the German LTB 553 featuring that story, thanks! Whether or not I end up inserting some or all of it into my headcanon, it's certainly a story I want to read.
Sim: Having heard about the Astrup/Cavazzano story that delves into Magica's origins from your post, I looked it up on Inducks and was just able to order the German LTB 553 featuring that story, thanks! Whether or not I end up inserting some or all of it into my headcanon, it's certainly a story I want to read.
I really enjoyed it! Astrup is capable of writing emotional stories, like the one I was talking about with Ferioli.
I found a thread on the Papersera forum talking about how Scrooge's grandmother appears in the splash panel of Zio Paperone e il rosolio della nonna. Has anyone read the story?
Scrooge's relatives from W DD 179-01, from the left: ?, Moby Duck, HDL, Donald, Daisy, ? female (not Grandma because she also appears in the story with her usual look), Gladstone, ? (Whitewater?)
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Last panel from the same story, top left mysterious girl duck is at the family party! Daisy's relative??
I'm struggling with where to place the not-Grandma. She has to be a relative of Scrooge's and is probably from the same generation as he is. Scrooge's sister Evelyn lacks an image, so I thought about pairing this not-Grandma image with her... but combining two unrelated characters like this feels wrong.
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I understand the desire to identify the girl duck as Daisy's relative (and more specifically as Daisy's sister). However, the context is that Scrooge is visited by his relatives. It's weird enough that Donald's paternal relatives are there, but why would Daisy's relatives be present? I don't buy it.
I found a thread on the Papersera forum talking about how Scrooge's grandmother appears in the splash panel of Zio Paperone e il rosolio della nonna. Has anyone read the story?
I've read now the story, and can tell you what it is about.
The BB psychoanalyze $crooge as someone who never had sweets, candies and other little treats when he was young, and so use this to extort money while offering him those things with their original recipe. So no, that woman isn't $crooge's grandmother. She is either a fantasy of him, or the grandmother of the other kid, that $crooge envies because he has all the joys of being a child.
However we still learn something about $crooge's grandmother. $mD says he never had a "traditional grandmother". A doctor later says that she was "too busy cutting down trees to do womanly works".
Edit: forgot to add the two panels
Last Edit: Jan 19, 2022 16:36:24 GMT by farmspirit
I found a thread on the Papersera forum talking about how Scrooge's grandmother appears in the splash panel of Zio Paperone e il rosolio della nonna. Has anyone read the story?
I've read now the story, and can tell you what it is about.
The BB psychoanalyze $crooge as someone who never had sweets, candies and other little treats when he was young, and so use this to extort money while offering him those things with their original recipe. So no, that woman isn't $crooge's grandmother. She is either a fantasy of him, or the grandmother of the other kid, that $crooge envies because he has all the joys of being a child.
However we still learn something about $crooge's grandmother. $mD says he never had a "traditional grandmother". A doctor later says that she was "too busy cutting down trees to do womanly works".
Edit: forgot to add the two panels
Relevant questions are whether this particular grandmother of Scrooge's was on his paternal or maternal side, and whether or not she was clearing trees on her farm to expand her fields, or she was a professional logger, like Paul Bunyan, Whitewater Duck, or Grandma Duck's nephew from Sweden.
I've read now the story, and can tell you what it is about.
The BB psychoanalyze $crooge as someone who never had sweets, candies and other little treats when he was young, and so use this to extort money while offering him those things with their original recipe. So no, that woman isn't $crooge's grandmother. She is either a fantasy of him, or the grandmother of the other kid, that $crooge envies because he has all the joys of being a child.
However we still learn something about $crooge's grandmother. $mD says he never had a "traditional grandmother". A doctor later says that she was "too busy cutting down trees to do womanly works".
Edit: forgot to add the two panels
Relevant questions are whether this particular grandmother of Scrooge's was on his paternal or maternal side, and whether or not she was clearing trees on her farm to expand her fields, or she was a professional logger, like Paul Bunyan, Whitewater Duck, or Grandma Duck's nephew from Sweden.
It isn't specified, but I would say the latter option is more plausible. If she cut trees only to expand her farms, clean some fields, do maintenance work..., the doctor wouldn't have have mentioned that specific work, that would happen maybe once or twice at season, and instead would have mentioned other more frequent works like tending the fields or the animals.
Scrooge's relatives from W DD 179-01, from the left: ?, Moby Duck, HDL, Donald, Daisy, ? female (not Grandma because she also appears in the story with her usual look), Gladstone, ? (Whitewater?)
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Last panel from the same story, top left mysterious girl duck is at the family party! Daisy's relative??
I'm struggling with where to place the not-Grandma. She has to be a relative of Scrooge's and is probably from the same generation as he is. Scrooge's sister Evelyn lacks an image, so I thought about pairing this not-Grandma image with her... but combining two unrelated characters like this feels wrong.
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I understand the desire to identify the girl duck as Daisy's relative (and more specifically as Daisy's sister). However, the context is that Scrooge is visited by his relatives. It's weird enough that Donald's paternal relatives are there, but why would Daisy's relatives be present? I don't buy it.
I agree that the young female duck shouldn't be related to Daisy (whom is probably invited only because she is the girlfriend of Scrooge's nephew), but the elderly duck woman could be Grandma's unnamed sister mentioned by her in a panel I posted some pages ago from a W-story. If you find it odd, she could just be Scrooge's cousin I guess, but keep in mind that somewhere (more specifically in the Netherlands) Scrooge-Grandma siblinghood is still a thing; see this recent page in which she is explicitly stated as his sister.
Relevant questions are whether this particular grandmother of Scrooge's was on his paternal or maternal side, and whether or not she was clearing trees on her farm to expand her fields, or she was a professional logger, like Paul Bunyan, Whitewater Duck, or Grandma Duck's nephew from Sweden.
It isn't specified, but I would say the latter option is more plausible. If she cut trees only to expand her farms, clean some fields, do maintenance work..., the doctor wouldn't have have mentioned that specific work, that would happen maybe once or twice at season, and instead would have mentioned other more frequent works like tending the fields or the animals.
The Italian text in the panels you posted don't identify whether or not the tree-cutting grandmother of Scrooge is his maternal or paternal grandmother. Also,I wonder if one could still make a living logging in Scotland during the mid 1800s. So, as a British subject, she'd likely have been logging in Canada or New Zealand, which is why Scrooge almost never (or never) saw her. She also would have already been in her late 40s and 50s during Scrooge's time living in Scotland. That's a very old age for ANYONE, especially a woman, to be doing such a physically demanding job, especially one that required brute strength.
She and her Scottish husband had at least one child (Scrooge's father or mother). We probably should conclude that this was his mother's mother, because his grandfather, Sourdough McDuck, the prospector, was away in North America (US and Canada) prospecting many of his young years. Maybe the married couple traveled together, and his grandmother always took work in logging camps near where her husband was prospecting, or more likely he looked for rare metals near her logging camps?
She and her Scottish husband had at least one child (Scrooge's father or mother). We probably should conclude that this was his mother's mother, because his grandfather, Sourdough McDuck, the prospector, was away in North America (US and Canada) prospecting many of his young years. Maybe the married couple traveled together, and his grandmother always took work in logging camps near where her husband was prospecting, or more likely he looked for rare metals near her logging camps?
In what story is Scrooge's grandfather named "Sourdough McDuck"? There is one Sourdough in Donald's generation and Scrooge claims to have an uncle named Sourdough in The Case of the Missing Nuggets, but I've never seen it associated with Scrooge's grandfather.
She and her Scottish husband had at least one child (Scrooge's father or mother). We probably should conclude that this was his mother's mother, because his grandfather, Sourdough McDuck, the prospector, was away in North America (US and Canada) prospecting many of his young years. Maybe the married couple traveled together, and his grandmother always took work in logging camps near where her husband was prospecting, or more likely he looked for rare metals near her logging camps?
In what story is Scrooge's grandfather named "Sourdough McDuck"? There is one Sourdough in Donald's generation and Scrooge claims to have an uncle named Sourdough in The Case of the Missing Nuggets, but I've never seen it associated with Scrooge's grandfather.
I seem to remember it being a Tony Strobl story from the late 1950s.
In what story is Scrooge's grandfather named "Sourdough McDuck"? There is one Sourdough in Donald's generation and Scrooge claims to have an uncle named Sourdough in The Case of the Missing Nuggets, but I've never seen it associated with Scrooge's grandfather.
I seem to remember it being a Tony Strobl story from the late 1950s.
You are probably referring to Search for Cyril, it's the only story I know by Strobl that mentions Scrooge's grandfather. Anyway, the name was Titus in there.