I M 14-2 doesn't feature any new relatives; it features Grandma's parents, who are named Jack and Prissy.
Oh, I see.. thank you! Then, what are the dialogues in these panels like? (this is Google translated from the Greek scan)
I completely glossed over these panels - oops. Blame it on the illness
The first says "Il suo papá sembra proprio un pionere! Come si chiamavano?" (Her father looks just like a pioneer! What were they called?) The second says "Priscilla e Geremia McPaper! Ed erano proprio due pioneri!" (Priscilla and Geremia McPaper! And they really were two pioneers!)
EDIT FOR CLARITY: While it's natural that Prissy is short for Priscilla - plus, it seems like a normal pet name for a husband to call his wife - I don't know about Jack. I wouldn't assume it to be a shortened version of Geremia, but I suppose it's not impossible, either.
I can upload a scan of the relevant panel soon
EDIT 2: Scan of the page
Last Edit: Jun 21, 2023 21:25:53 GMT by alquackskey: Edited to include scan
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Oh, I see.. thank you! Then, what are the dialogues in these panels like? (this is Google translated from the Greek scan)
I completely glossed over these panels - oops. Blame it on the illness
The first says "Il suo papá sembra proprio un pionere! Come si chiamavano?" (Her father looks just like a pioneer! What were they called?) The second says "Priscilla e Geremia McPaper! Ed erano proprio due pioneri!" (Priscilla and Geremia McPaper! And they really were two pioneers!)
Okay lol, this is good to know! So, the last name McPaper is mentioned in two different stories at least. Looks like this "Russo-Minni canon" was consistent, alright.
One might wonder if McPaper and McDuck had to be considered the same thing, since Elvira was still at the time considered Scrooge's sister in the Italian "continuity" (Alessandro Sisti told about it in the video-interview we had with him some months ago). Sure, Scrooge doesn't appear nor is mentioned, but I guess the focus of these stories was about female characters so...
Here are the new scans. The 1629 date is mine, based on a real event, when engineer Leeghwater was involved in the Siege of 's Hertogenbosch during the Eighty Years' War. He was otherwise not involved in the war. The comic itself refers to the Siege of Lelystad, but that's a gag. People wouldn't move into the city until 1967, only 19 years before the story was written. I didn't take any scans of young Elvira, kid Gyro, baby Donald, or any of the other characters, as they'd probably not be on the tree. We don't count the medieval would-be fianceé, do we? Given that her dad sends out a posse to force Gyro to marry her, the future of that union is all but certain!
Last Edit: Jun 22, 2023 12:46:14 GMT by That Duckfan
Just a quick one; taking some time to look over some details, and I missed something major - at least some of the stories from 'La Nuova Storia e Gloria della Dinastia dei Paperi' are available in English, and I have access to them. As such, I'm going through to add them to the Descendants section.
Now, these stories aren't just spiritual successors to the original 'Storia e Gloria' - they're actual sequels. The Prologue refers to how the family found the treasure of 'Duckankhamun' (Pah-Peh-Rheo in the original) and actually follows on from some of the story beats in the original.
So, I've finished the first chapter and logged most of the relevant characters. My question is this: What do we do with Gyro and Rockerduck expies?
In the original, all of the Gyro expies (this is my memory off-hand but I'm pretty sure it's right) are members of the Clan Pitagorikon - which, by the logic of our tree, means they're relatives of the Ducks. As such, it would make sense that the Gyro expies would be descendants of his as this is a proper sequel. That being said, there's no mention of G_GEAR's ancestry - he's not mentioned as a relative, nor is he mentioned as being a descendant of Gyro's. Basically, he should be a descendant based on how closely tied to the original 'Storia e Gloria' this is, but there's nothing explicitly stating it in the English version.
The Rockerduck expies are easier to dismiss. Much like G_GEAR, there's nothing explicitly linking D_ROCK to Rockerduck. Whereas U_MCD frequently mentions his ancestry, D_ROCK doesn't mention anything of the sort. Unlike the Clan Pitagorikon, however, it wasn't a 'rule' that all of the Rockerduck expies were ancestors of his - Barone Roquer de'Conquibus from the original 'Storia e Gloria' is near-definitely not an ancestor, as none of the fact files nor articles in the Italian versions I have mention him as a relative. That being said, the Brazilian version I have does have an article that treats him as a relative of Rockerduck's. I can understand ignoring that, though. Either way, it doesn't seem as clear a 'rule', so I could understand ignoring Rockerduck expies unless there's explicit confirmation.
I'm going to read as far as I can - hopefully there's some clarification down the line.
(Also, entirely irrelevant, but funny note - the coin shown in the English version isn't translated, so it's still referred to as a 'DEPAP Dollar' )
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Here are the new scans. The 1629 date is mine, based on a real event, when engineer Leeghwater was involved in the Siege of 's Hertogenbosch during the Eighty Years' War. He was otherwise not involved in the war. The comic itself refers to the Siege of Lelystad, but that's a gag. People wouldn't move into the city until 1967, only 19 years before the story was written. I didn't take any scans of young Elvira, kid Gyro, baby Donald, or any of the other characters, as they'd probably not be on the tree. We don't count the medieval would-be fianceé, do we? Given that her dad sends out a posse to force Gyro to marry her, the future of that union is all but uncertain!
Hate to double-post, but I just thought I'd mention that I'm extremely sick right now, and seeing those Platiño images has made my day, so thank you for that
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More relatives in De Tijdmachine, a Dutch puzzle comic from 1986.
Gyro travels back in time to his childhood, where he meets Baby Donald, Grandma Duck, and his own mother (unnamed). He then travels to the 80 Years' War (1588-1648) where he meets an ancestor of Donald and another relative of himself, Willie Leeghwortel (based on engineer Leeghwater). In the Middle Ages, he is mistaken for an ancestor named Willem. Finally, in the Stone Age, Gyro's ancestor Wil-Wil saves him from a dinosaur, but when he gets home his cave-wife berates him (she's an ancestor of Donald).
Here are the new scans. The 1629 date is mine, based on a real event, when engineer Leeghwater was involved in the Siege of 's Hertogenbosch during the Eighty Years' War. He was otherwise not involved in the war. The comic itself refers to the Siege of Lelystad, but that's a gag. People wouldn't move into the city until 1967, only 19 years before the story was written. I didn't take any scans of young Elvira, kid Gyro, baby Donald, or any of the other characters, as they'd probably not be on the tree. We don't count the medieval would-be fianceé, do we? Given that her dad sends out a posse to force Gyro to marry her, the future of that union is all but certain!
Thanks! Is that ancestor Willem from the Middle Ages also seen in the story and do you have a scan? Or is he only mentioned? And is there any indication when in the Middle Ages he lived?
In Nonna Papera cuoca storica (I TL 1880-B) there is an ancestor of Grandma Duck and an ancestor of Gus Goose. They are said to have have lived in Duckburg not long after its foundation. The Gus Goose ancestor is called Ferdinand (or Ferdi) Gans in the German translation. Elvira’s ancestor is simply called Großmutter Duck. I don’t know their names in the Italian original. Scans here.
In Paperino e gli antenati del west (I TL 2141-1) there is an ancestor of Donald/HDL who, in the German translation, is said to be a great-great-granduncle of HDL. He is simply called Donald Duck in the German translation and is specifically said to have the same name as the present Donald Duck. At the end of the story, the ancestor maries with Daisy, who is a niece of Primus von Quack (a Ludwig look-a-like). There is also a Scrooge look-a-like called Dagobert who is the uncle of Donald Duck. I don’t know their names in the Italian original. The Gladstone and Gus Goose look-a-likes are not related.
There should be an ancestor of Gyro in Archimede e l'invenzione del rugby (I TL 465-C). I don’t have this story, but according to the INDUCKS description he lived in 1823.
There should be an ancestor of Gyro in Archimede e l'invenzione del rugby (I TL 465-C). I don’t have this story, but according to the INDUCKS description he lived in 1823.
Yes, his name is Archimedes Pyt, and he is said to have invented rugby, in the city of Rugby in England.
New update of the tree on the website (version 9). New relatives have been added, some relatives have been moved, and more generations were added (the tree covers now about 1000 years).
Archie O’Fly was made an ancestor of Gyro, while the connection between the Gearlooses and Gretchen Grebe was removed. Therefore, Gyro’s relatives were all moved from the left side of the tree to the right side.
Newton was moved to become a son of Galileo, while Galileo was made a grandson of Gadget Gearloose.
Ratchet’s uncle Boltrattle from D 2022-163 was added as a brother of Anastasia Anatryn (so the latter is now called Anastasia Boltrattle on the tree).
Pardalino from S 71212 was renamed Silo.
Nelis from S 65180 was removed as he was merged with Euclid.
Willie Leeghwortel from H 86106 was added as Gyro’s ancestor.
Archimedes Pyt from I TL 465-C was added as the grandfather of Anastasia.
The positions of the relatives from ZD 55-10-09 were changed.
The lieutenant (previously called Napoleand) was moved one generation older. Napoleand himself (without portrait), who got his name from D 5590, remains on the original position.
The pioneer was also moved to older generations, and is now the grandson of John Duck. Maximiliand from D 5590, who was in this position, is now the son of the pioneer.
A separate French branch was formed consisting of the musketeer (assumed to be the same one as the fencer), the colonizer and the one on the ship. They connect to the main Duck branch via the son of Maximiliand.
The musketeer/fencer was merged with Paperin Parpignac from I TL 188-AP, who was previously elsewhere on the tree.
The ancestor in the carriage was made a brother of Tobias Duck.
The ancestors from I TL 2892-5 were moved one generation down, so they are now connected to the main Duck branch via the pioneer ancestor from ZD 55-10-09. The ancestors from I TL 2921-3 are connected to the Duck branch via the son of the pioneer (Maximiliand).
Francis Duck was moved to become the father of John Duck. Pintail Duck was moved to become the father of Francis.
Ludwig Van Paperin, his three nephews, and uncle von Paperonen from I PM 185-1 were added by connecting them to the other von Paperonen that was already on the tree.
Pap Paperton from I MG 459-A was added as ancestor of Donald via Tobias Duck’s wife. Pap Paperton’s wife Daisy and his uncle McPaperon were also added, connecting him to the other McPaperon relatives on the tree.
Charlie, Custer and Clarence Coot from D 98293 were added to the same branch as Marmaduke and Kildare Coot.
Agnes McDuck from the DuckTales reboot was added as a sister of the McDucks that are running away from The Hound.
Donald Ducktagnan, his three nephews Huey Aramis, Dewey Athos and Louie Porthos, and their uncle Thirtyville from I TL 162-AP were newly added and connected to the colonizer from ZD 55-10-09.
Paperin meschino and Antinisca Paperina from I TL 197-AP were added, connecting to the main branch via the mother of Pintail Duck.
Quackerinn from I TL 2442-5 was added as a direct McDuck ancestor of Scrooge, being the father of the McDuck ancestors fleeing from the Hound. Quackerush from I TL 2442-5 was added as his brother.
Earl Watergate from I TL 821-C was added as the grandfather of Quackerinn’s wife.
Sybrand from H 2020-114 was added as a brother of Zak McWak.
Krelis and Johenneke from H 2020-114 were added as nephew and niece of Eibert Duck.
Pap Paper from S 71291 has been added as the father of the wife of Jacobus Paperus.
Paperonius Paper from I TL 1451-A has been added as the grandfather of the above.
Dahlia from W WDC 416-03 was added as a sister of Daisy’s father. Daniel was added as Dahlia’s husband and Gertrude was added as a sister of Daisy’s paternal grandfather.
Penagulha from D 7558 was added as a brother of Daniel Donald Duck.
Ernesto Papery from I TL 850-B was added as the husband of a sister of Humperdink.
Jasperduck from I TL 2026-4 was added as a son of a sister of Paperett Custar.
Theophil from D 6666 was added as a brother of Jasperduck.
Roger from D 97391 was also added as a brother of Jasperduck.
Emely McDuck from I TL 1886-A was added as a sister of Jack McDuck. Her niece Sarah was added as a sister of Bran.
Seafoam McDuck from D 6860 was added as a brother of Titus McDuck.
Donald’s uncle McPaper from I TL 1323-A was added as a brother of Red McPaper.
Misodollaro from I TL 1101-B was added as a brother of Hugh Seafoam McDuck.
Dick McDuck from I TL 448-A was added as a brother of Hugh Seafoam McDuck.
Procopio from S 72328 was added as a son of Buck.
Egmont McDuck from I TL 1017-B was added as a brother of Black Donald McDuck.
Procopius McStiff from I M 17-3 was added as a son of a sister of Gertrude Gadwall.
Donald’s ancestor from H 86106 was added as the son of Douwe Duckszoon.
Ferdinand Goose from I TL 1880-B was added as the great-great-grandfather of Gus Goose.
Elvira’s ancestor from I TL 1880-B was added as the mother of Donaldo.
The ancestors from I AT 325-A (Donald Duckell, lord Duckson-McDuck, lady Duckson-McDuck and grandma) have been added by connecting them to Paulinho Paperones.
Paperin di Paperinière, his three nephews, Paperine and Arpagon McDuck from I AT 308-B were added as ancestor via the French branch, related to Paolin le Paperac.
Louis Paperiere, his cousin Jean Paperiere, their cousin Gaston, and uncle Picsou from I MG 459-A were added as descendants of a sister of Paperin de Canard.
Papéron Dumaton from I TSTR 42-1 was added by connecting him to Scrooge’s French ancestors.
Since the French branch is now connected to the McDucks via Arpagon, the connection via Diamond Lil and Hugh Seafoam was removed. Instead there is a connection between Dumaton and the wife of Oscar MacGoose.
Papermicca and his uncle de’Paperé from I PM 273-1 were added to the Italian branch via Scrooge Brontolon.
Scrooge de’Pantaloni and Donald from I TL 428-A were renamed Paperon de’Pantaloni and Paperino, respectively. They were also moved many generations down, as they lived in 1507 and not in the 18th century.
The Italian branch was a bit simplified, by making Paperin Stradipaperi from I TL 2089-4 the father of Paperone from I TL 2724-4.
Paperpier Capponi from I TL 188-AP was added as the father of Paperangiolo.
Pato Volta from I TL 1530-B was added to the Italian branch as the son of Paperino and Paperina. Pato Volta is his name in the Spanish translation. I don’t know the Italian name.
Donald Galileo and his three nephews from I TL 1530-B were added to the Italian branch, as the great-grandfather of Paperon Stradipaperi. Donald Galileo is his name in the Spanish translation. I don’t know the Italian name.
Ducka McRocker from I TL 752-A was added as ancestor of John D. Rockerduck.
McArchimed Pitagorikon from I TL 752-A was added as an ancestor of Gyro.
Trisnonna Papera from I TL 752-A was added as the grandmother of the wife of Paperon McPaperon.
The three nephews of dottor Paperus from I TL 188-AP were made grand-nephews and named Qui, Quo and Qua.
Ebenezer McDuck from S 67019 was moved one generation older, and is now a younger brother of Hugh Seafoam.
Donaldin from I TL 2039-2 was renamed Paperetto, and his uncle Drachobert was renamed Paperun, using their Italian names.
Donald from I SAP 64-A was renamed Paperino; Margarida was renamed Paperina; Gastão was renamed Gastone, using their Italian names.
Calamity Daisy from B 930082 has been renamed Margô Calamidade and got a portrait.
Donaldo from D 99038 was moved to the Middle Ages instead of the 1700s.
The McDuck ancestor from D 7236 (who was on the tree as a brother of Locksley) was removed. He is supposed to be the same one as Hugh Seafoam McDuck.
Agathe from D 88142 was merged with Agatha from W DAD 10-03.
Dietram from D 97167 was removed.
Blackbeak was merged with the pirate ancestor Scrooge from I TL 216-AP, so he is now called Scrooge “Blackbeak” McDuck. He was moved and is now the husband of Maura. His great-great-grandfather from I TL 216-AP has been newly added. Duncan McDuck was shifted a generation and is now on the position of Locksley. Locksley himself became his brother.
Braised McDuck from D 5198 was added as the granduncle of Quack McDuck
Swamphole McDuck was added as the grandfather of Braised McDuck
Angus McDuck from G DD 61 was added as the brother of Swamphole.
Roast McDuck was added as the father of Swamphole.
Stuft McDuck was added as the grandfather of Roast.
Ronald McDuck from S 78026 was added as the father of Stuft.
Maol Mhuire MacDuich from I AT 120-A was added as the father of Ronald.
Shaun MacDuich from G DD 61 was added as the brother of Maol Mhuire
Murdoch MacDuich from D 91308S and the DuckTales reboot was added as the father of Shaun and Maol Mhuire.
Danny MacDuich from the DuckTales reboot was added as a sister of Murdoch.
Quackly MacDuich was added as the father of Murdoch and Danny.
Slye MacDuich from D 91308S was added as the father of Quackly McDuck
Fayodor MacDuich from D 5198 was added as the father of Slye McDuck.
Smokt MacDuich from CB OIL 132 was added as the father of Fayodor McDuck.
Three McDuck clan members looking for the treasure from D 91308, were added as sons of Stuft McDuck
Smak III, Smak III’s cousin, Smak IV, and multiple Smak descendants/ancestors from I TL 2000-G were added and connected to the McDuck branch.
Three McDuck ancestors from H 2022-158 were added to the same generation as Roast McDuck.
Don Juan Duck from W LVD 3-03 was added as the grandfather of the ancestor on the horse.
Donald and Daisy from D 2004-074 were added as the great-great-grandparents of don Juan Duck. Donald’s three nephews and Daisy’s aunt were also added.
Paperino from I TL 1530-B was added as the father of the above. His cousin Narciso from the same story was also added. Paperino is the original Italian name, while Narciso is the name from the Spanish translation.
Donatus von Duck from D 2003-219 was added as the father of the above. This is his German name.
Donald (English name from Paperino il Paladino), first appearing in I TL 247-AP, was added as ancestor of the above. His cousin Duckstan, Duckstan’s wife Duckolde, Duckolde’s brothers and Duckolde’s father Gluck, all from I TL 2132-1P, were also added.
Daisy’s ancestor from YD 58-04-21 was added (does anyone have a better scan?).
Richard the Duckhearted from ZD 73-02-11 was added as the grandfather of the above.
Paperinda and Donaldin from I TL 2023-2 were added as the grandparents of the above. Paperinda is the original Italian name, but Donaldin is the name from the German translation.
Bertold Pardaltz from B 810201 was added as the great-grandfather of McArchimed Pitagorikon.
Marco Paperolo from I TL 1446-BP was added as an ancestor of Paperon de’Pantaloni.
Raffobert von Duck from I TL 2228-2 was added as an ancestor of Marco Paperolo. The name used is from the German translation.
Paperus from I AO 52322-A was added as an ancestor of dottor Paperus.
McPaperon from I TL 1852-A was added as the father of Paperon McPaperon.
McOconis from I TL 1852-A was added as the grandfather of McPaperon.
Ghiotto from I TL 2069-2 was added as an ancestor of Gus Goose.
Donald mentions European grand-uncle Angus O'Paper in I PM 180-2. He is said to have been born in Europe and to have gone back there after having lived in Duckburg. Apparently, he is still alive... I guess we could consider him an O'Drake, thus making him Scrooge's maternal uncle.
More relatives in De Tijdmachine, a Dutch puzzle comic from 1986.
Gyro travels back in time to his childhood, where he meets Baby Donald, Grandma Duck, and his own mother (unnamed). He then travels to the 80 Years' War (1588-1648) where he meets an ancestor of Donald and another relative of himself, Willie Leeghwortel (based on engineer Leeghwater). In the Middle Ages, he is mistaken for an ancestor named Willem. Finally, in the Stone Age, Gyro's ancestor Wil-Wil saves him from a dinosaur, but when he gets home his cave-wife berates him (she's an ancestor of Donald).
Here are the new scans. The 1629 date is mine, based on a real event, when engineer Leeghwater was involved in the Siege of 's Hertogenbosch during the Eighty Years' War. He was otherwise not involved in the war. The comic itself refers to the Siege of Lelystad, but that's a gag. People wouldn't move into the city until 1967, only 19 years before the story was written. I didn't take any scans of young Elvira, kid Gyro, baby Donald, or any of the other characters, as they'd probably not be on the tree. We don't count the medieval would-be fianceé, do we? Given that her dad sends out a posse to force Gyro to marry her, the future of that union is all but certain!
Thanks! Is that ancestor Willem from the Middle Ages also seen in the story and do you have a scan? Or is he only mentioned? And is there any indication when in the Middle Ages he lived?
He's only mentioned, otherwise I'd have taken a scan of him. Not sure when it's supposed to take place, I'd say around 1470?
Congrats on almost reaching the end of Rosa's tree, by the way, mkr! The earliest ancestor on that is Sir Eider; anyone remind me when he died? Can't recall it off the top of my head. Would he be in the same generation as Smokt, or one back?
Congrats on almost reaching the end of Rosa's tree, by the way, mkr! The earliest ancestor on that is Sir Eider; anyone remind me when he died? Can't recall it off the top of my head. Would he be in the same generation as Smokt, or one back?
Eider should have lived from 880 to 946 if I am not mistaken. Since Smokt (born in 931) is now at the bottom of the tree, there will still be one generation in between Eider and Smokt (the generation that contains Juicy and Eider's nephew Duncan).