The comic from 1984, was called From Egg to Duck, it's never been official published in English, although recently it has been unofficially translated, it is definitely worth a read, even though some of Donald's early life in the story isn't in my canon.
"From Egg to Duck" has just been published (under a different title) in English, in Fantagraphics' Donald Duck: The 90th Anniversary Collection!
The birth date for Scrooge of July 8 comes from neither a comic nor a cartoon, but a Golden Tell-a-Tale book, Silver Dollars for Uncle Scrooge. Early in this little book, the nephews look at a calendar on the wall and note that tomorrow is Uncle Scrooge's birthday. The calendar pictured is one of those one-page-a-day calendars (usually desk calendars, not wall calendars, since they need to have 365 pages!) and it says it's July 7th. So logically, one concludes that Scrooge's birthday is July 8th.
I do wonder whether the artist here portrayed what the writer had in mind. Seems more likely to me that the writer was imagining a regular wall calendar showing the month of July, with the date "7" circled--so it would be July 6 when the boys are noticing the coming date. I think this in part because the typical wall calendar is a monthly calendar, in part because this scenario fits better with the text, the boys' realization. What they say on seeing the calendar makes more sense if they're seeing a calendar showing the next day marked as Scrooge's birthday. In addition, July 7 seems a more likely date for the author to pick out of mid-air as Scrooge's birthday, since as "7/7" it could be seen as the luckiest date, and people who are not steeped in the Barksian mythos may see Scrooge as lucky to be so ridiculously rich. Those of us who *are* steeped in the Barksian mythos would probably see 7/7 as the appropriate birthdate for Gladstone Gander!
I have personal reasons to be immensely pleased that some of us (see the Scrooge McDuck Wikia) have settled on July 8th as Scrooge's birthday, though, so I'm not going to argue for a different date! Note that the Wikia does footnote the birthdate to Silver Dollars for Uncle Scrooge.
Thank you, Matilda ! I was going to say the same thing. Here is a link to that previous thread for convenience's sake.
My headcanon seems similar to yours, whitewater . As I outlined in the older thread, I have multiple Duck and Mouse-centered realities in my headcanon. The "main" one for me is primarily based on Barks, Rosa, Gottfredson, and the old 1920s - 1960s Disney shorts, which I haven't seen anyone else claim as part of their headcanon so far in this thread, though I may have missed something. In my headcanon, Gottfredson's 1930s serials depict teen and young adult Mickey's adventures in the 1930s, Murry detective stories are an older Mickey in the 1950s, what Donald spent the 1930s doing is covered in several of the cartoon shorts, Barks and Rosa stories take place from the 1940s to 1950s. Just a brief summary of that "main" headcanon universe.
There is also a reality in my headcanon where a lot of the Disney animated Mouse and Duck material from the 1980s to the 2000s take place (a renaissance for the Fab Five in animation, in my opinion), with a few comics that fit in being thrown in there, too. This universe is much less complicated with less authors and conflicting stories involved, so my headcanon notes and timelines for it are more streamlined and straightforward. Also very different from the "prime" universe. Why? It's a different reality! Here, Scrooge McDuck (this being the Scrooge of the classic DuckTales) was born July 8, 1930. The "prime" Scrooge of Barks/Rosa was hatched July 22, 1867. The more modern Goofy was born sometime from 1949 to 1951. Classic Goofy was born... around 1913? Classic Donald served in the United States Army Air Forces in World War II, while the 1980s-2000s universe Donald served in the United States Navy during peacetime, probably not witnessing combat.
I have not really taken the time in the past few years to really develop headcanon timelines and genealogies like I once did, so none of my ideas are as well-developed as they were in that old thread back in 2019. But hey, I still enjoy some Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, and Uncle Scrooge!
Agreed regarding the age differences in the trio! In the "prime" universe of my headcanon, that is. See the above. Prime Goofy is about a year or two older than Prime Mickey, who is, in turn, about five or six years older than Prime Donald. In the more modern headcanon based on around 1980s-2000s Disney animation, however, Donald and Mickey are right around the same age while Goofy is about ten years older than both of them.
I'd love to hear about those spin-off Life and Times stories sometime. Sounds like a lot of fun! A triplet becomes POTUS in my headcanon, too, but I've got Huey pinned as the man for the job. Louie grows up to produce media inspired by his childhood adventures (including perhaps a television show released in 1987... giving rise to another one of my headcanon universes and making it a fictional universe within a fictional universe!), while Dewey becomes a master of space and aviation. At least in my mind...
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Which comic are you referring to from 1984? I'm not sure if I've ever heard of that before or not and would love to know what it is so I can check it out.
I agree with you on the head canon, it seems some of the modern children's content (Mickey Mouse Clubhouse etc.), doesn't really fit in my canon, but it's worth mentioning that there was a more recent show Mickey Mouse from 2013, that is a more modern 1930's type of cartoon, it's kind of bizarre but I guess you could put this as canon as well.
The comic from 1984, was called From Egg to Duck, it's never been official published in English, although recently it has been unofficially translated, it is definitely worth a read, even though some of Donald's early life in the story isn't in my canon.
Also, something to note is Huey is also named after a politician named Huey Long from Louisiana, Louie Duck was the only Duck out of the three not to be named after a politician.
I love the 2013 Mickey series, but I don't personally include it in the "main" headcanon universe. It gets its own little self-contained universe.
Ah, yes, From Egg to Duck! Definitely familiar with it. It just didn't even cross my mind when you said "1984."
There is also a reality in my headcanon where a lot of the Disney animated Mouse and Duck material from the 1980s to the 2000s take place (a renaissance for the Fab Five in animation, in my opinion), with a few comics that fit in being thrown in there, too. This universe is much less complicated with less authors and conflicting stories involved, so my headcanon notes and timelines for it are more streamlined and straightforward. Also very different from the "prime" universe. Why? It's a different reality! Here, Scrooge McDuck (this being the Scrooge of the classic DuckTales) was born July 8, 1930. The "prime" Scrooge of Barks/Rosa was hatched July 22, 1867. The more modern Goofy was born sometime from 1949 to 1951. Classic Goofy was born... around 1913? Classic Donald served in the United States Army Air Forces in World War II, while the 1980s-2000s universe Donald served in the United States Navy during peacetime, probably not witnessing combat.
Interesting, what made you pick these very specific dates as Scrooge’s birthdays? And is it significant that prime Scrooge "hatched" and DuckTales Scrooge "was born", as in: is there a biological difference between the anthropomorphic ducks of Universe 1 and Universe 2?
Apropos of Donald's military service... you inspired me to add some of the Disney WWII shorts to my headcanon, but not as a "real depiction" of what happened, but a sort of subjective representation of Donald's experience.
Louie grows up to produce media inspired by his childhood adventures (including perhaps a television show released in 1987... giving rise to another one of my headcanon universes and making it a fictional universe within a fictional universe!)
That’s neat!
Your multiple coexisting headcanons inspired me to „open up“ a second one where I put all the Italian stories that I like. The present day is the 1970s and 80s, and Scrooge’s origin story is the one from Storia e gloria della dinastia dei paperi, where he was born in the Yukon in the 1890s… I remember enjoying that story as a child. Maybe due to Gyro’s genius, the digital revolution happens earlier than in our universe, allowing me to add more recent stories.
See Matilda 's comment regarding July 8 for DuckTales Scrooge. Looking back at my notes, I should probably actually push his birth year back to about 1925. The July 22 for prime Scrooge was chosen for no other reason than that INDUCKS reports that Christmas on Bear Mountain was submitted on... July 22, 1947. That's the only reason. No serious research went into this one . Christmas on Bear Mountain is the debut of this headcanon universe's version of Scrooge, so I figured I would throw another tip of the hat to it.
The "hatched" and "born" distinction was just to keep from saying "born" twice. Didn't want to be so redundant and boring! It's not an issue that I've put a whole lot of thought into, but I imagine the Scrooges of both universes hatching out of eggs, even though some see that as too animal-like for a Rosa-based universe. I love Rosa's more historical realistic ducks, but I like the more cartoony ducks of the old Disney shorts, too. They can definitely be pictured bursting forth out of eggs and indeed have been animated as doing such (see the animated special This is Your Life, Donald Duck).
Glad I was able to give some headcanon inspiration! That's one of the things I love about this forum. I have actually toyed with an "Italian" universe in my headcanon, too, but I haven't read enough Italian-origin stories for it to really matter or be substantial. I enjoy a lot of their characters and concepts but have a hard time fitting them into the main headcanon universe. For example, I love the concept of Gideon McDuck. He seems like a cool character, though I've only ever read maybe... one complete story with him in it. Still, I like the concept, but I just really struggle to fit him into a more Rosa-based universe. He has a place in the Duck Multiverse, but not in the main canon. Same goes for Dickie Duck. I actually like her character quite a bit (and have read more of her stories than Gideon's!), but she seems a bit out of place for the late 1940s/early 1950s where I try to anchor most main headcanon stories.
ETA: And honestly, Grandma as Scrooge's sister is a really cute idea. It streamlines the Duck family tree and provides a neat dynamic between the two. I just can't make that fit with the character dynamics and the stories that Rosa gave us. That would have to go into an alternate universe, too.
On Paperetta/Dickie: it's definitely true that in her first appearance the character is solidly rooted in mid-1960's youth culture. The stories that have made it into my headcanon as "stories that really happened in my mental Duckworld," however, don't picture her as quite so tethered to grooviness. See, for example, Wheels of Profit or Stabile's l'ultimo scrigno. But it's also true that my own "mid-20th-century" present is a bit later than yours or Rosa's: 1950's to early 60's. And it's quite fuzzy as to what exactly happened when, since, for example, there are far more Christmas stories which I accept into my headcanon than it would be possible for the Ducks to experience while the nephews are kids. (Even allowing for the fact that sometimes you can see two Christmastime stories happening in the same year: e.g. Being Good for Goodness' Sake and one of the ones that focuses on the family meal at Grandma's farm.) Birthday stories are easier to deal with. Only two birthday stories each for Scrooge, Donald and Gladstone have made it into my headcanon, and only one each for Grandma Duck, Daisy and HDL. Of course, apart from annual events, it's also impossible to fit into HDL's childhood all the adventures they go on in stories admitted into my headcanon! Especially if one assumes that they actually do go to school enough to proceed from grade to grade.
Post by Slye MacDuich on Sept 16, 2024 7:18:42 GMT
Interesting to hear the reasoning on Scrooge's birthday(s). Personally I'll stick with November 14 (the publication date of "Christmas on Bear Mountain" according to Inducks) for my headcanon, because L&T Chapter 1, p. 1-6 is set around Scrooge's tenth birthday, and it has a tree that's shedding leaves, and generally feels more like autumn than summer to me.
Just added this theory of mine from another thread to my headcanon:
Hmm... several pivotal moments in Scrooge's life happen on a full moon: his decision to go to America, his decision not to open Goldie's letter, Fuda cursing him. "Sharpie" has a full moon, too, though that chapter doesn't seem all that pivotal to me.
The obvious reason is that Rosa simply likes to draw full moons. But it could also mean that Rosa's universe is governed by cosmic principles. This would fit the theme of destiny in his work, and more generally the existence of supernatural elements such as Gladstone's luck, Magica's powers (both sometimes connected to astrology), the Dreamtime, the Kalevala, the McDuck Ghosts etc. I'm not an adherent of astrology IRL, but I kind of like the idea that it's real in the Rosaverse.
It might influence where I place some adventures in the 50s. For example, placing "A Letter From Home" and thus Scrooge's reconciliation with Matilda in 1957 would continue the theme of important events happening in years ending on a 7 (Scrooge's birth, Scrooge earning his first dime, Scrooge discovering the goose egg nugget and spending a month with Goldie, Donald's birth in my headcanon, Scrooge and the nephews' first meeting, Scrooge's death).
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The comic from 1984, was called From Egg to Duck, it's never been official published in English, although recently it has been unofficially translated, it is definitely worth a read, even though some of Donald's early life in the story isn't in my canon.
"From Egg to Duck" has just been published (under a different title) in English, in Fantagraphics' Donald Duck: The 90th Anniversary Collection!
Oh, I'm just finding out now! I guess that makes sense it would be released for his 90th anniversary.
The birth date for Scrooge of July 8 comes from neither a comic nor a cartoon, but a Golden Tell-a-Tale book, Silver Dollars for Uncle Scrooge. Early in this little book, the nephews look at a calendar on the wall and note that tomorrow is Uncle Scrooge's birthday. The calendar pictured is one of those one-page-a-day calendars (usually desk calendars, not wall calendars, since they need to have 365 pages!) and it says it's July 7th. So logically, one concludes that Scrooge's birthday is July 8th.
I do wonder whether the artist here portrayed what the writer had in mind. Seems more likely to me that the writer was imagining a regular wall calendar showing the month of July, with the date "7" circled--so it would be July 6 when the boys are noticing the coming date. I think this in part because the typical wall calendar is a monthly calendar, in part because this scenario fits better with the text, the boys' realization. What they say on seeing the calendar makes more sense if they're seeing a calendar showing the next day marked as Scrooge's birthday. In addition, July 7 seems a more likely date for the author to pick out of mid-air as Scrooge's birthday, since as "7/7" it could be seen as the luckiest date, and people who are not steeped in the Barksian mythos may see Scrooge as lucky to be so ridiculously rich. Those of us who *are* steeped in the Barksian mythos would probably see 7/7 as the appropriate birthdate for Gladstone Gander!
I have personal reasons to be immensely pleased that some of us (see the Scrooge McDuck Wikia) have settled on July 8th as Scrooge's birthday, though, so I'm not going to argue for a different date! Note that the Wikia does footnote the birthdate to Silver Dollars for Uncle Scrooge.
As for other birthdates:
Grandma Duck was born some time in October, as revealed in a photo from when she was two years old.
Donald Duck was born on June 9th or Friday the 13th? June 9th was used in The Duck Who Never Was. Friday the 13th was used in the Legends of the Three Caballeros.
Since Della Duck is Donald's twin sister (according to Rosa), they share the same birthday, June 9th, or Friday the 13th.
Daisy Duck was born on December 1st, according to a Rosa comic, although the birthday October 20 was also used.
Huey, Dewey, and Louie were born April 15, or April 6.
Fethry Duck was born on February 29, acording to a Ducktales 2017 comic.
I would accept July 8 as Scrooge's birthday, since there isn't any other dates that really could be his birthday.
On Paperetta/Dickie: it's definitely true that in her first appearance the character is solidly rooted in mid-1960's youth culture. The stories that have made it into my headcanon as "stories that really happened in my mental Duckworld," however, don't picture her as quite so tethered to grooviness. See, for example, Wheels of Profit or Stabile's l'ultimo scrigno. But it's also true that my own "mid-20th-century" present is a bit later than yours or Rosa's: 1950's to early 60's. And it's quite fuzzy as to what exactly happened when, since, for example, there are far more Christmas stories which I accept into my headcanon than it would be possible for the Ducks to experience while the nephews are kids. (Even allowing for the fact that sometimes you can see two Christmastime stories happening in the same year: e.g. Being Good for Goodness' Sake and one of the ones that focuses on the family meal at Grandma's farm.) Birthday stories are easier to deal with. Only two birthday stories each for Scrooge, Donald and Gladstone have made it into my headcanon, and only one each for Grandma Duck, Daisy and HDL. Of course, apart from annual events, it's also impossible to fit into HDL's childhood all the adventures they go on in stories admitted into my headcanon! Especially if one assumes that they actually do go to school enough to proceed from grade to grade.
Even those stories that you cite are tough for me to personally to work into my "main" Rosa-inspired headcanon. The art style alone, especially of l'ultimo scrigno, is enough to make me feel they are incompatible with my "prime" headcanon universe. Doesn't mean I can't enjoy the stories, of course! Just going to sort them into an alternate Duck Universe with a different set of timelines, styles, tones, characters, and even character arcs. The Christmas thing is another big deal for me. I like to imagine Duck stories as being a part of a greater story about our characters, placing stories on a timeline that allows for character arcs and evolutions to be realized. Thus, each Christmas is a pivotal moment, a marker on the timeline, a snapshot at Duck family relationships that year and where the characters were on their character arcs at that time. Of course, none of this was intended by the authors (except maybe Rosa), but it's how I like to structure my Duck headcanon. That means that excess Christmas stories are filed away into an alternate universe, which also has its own set of Christmases and character arcs, though not as well-developed in my mind as the main headcanon is.
Interesting to hear the reasoning on Scrooge's birthday(s). Personally I'll stick with November 14 (the publication date of "Christmas on Bear Mountain" according to Inducks) for my headcanon, because L&T Chapter 1, p. 1-6 is set around Scrooge's tenth birthday, and it has a tree that's shedding leaves, and generally feels more like autumn than summer to me.
Just added this theory of mine from another thread to my headcanon:
Hmm... several pivotal moments in Scrooge's life happen on a full moon: his decision to go to America, his decision not to open Goldie's letter, Fuda cursing him. "Sharpie" has a full moon, too, though that chapter doesn't seem all that pivotal to me.
The obvious reason is that Rosa simply likes to draw full moons. But it could also mean that Rosa's universe is governed by cosmic principles. This would fit the theme of destiny in his work, and more generally the existence of supernatural elements such as Gladstone's luck, Magica's powers (both sometimes connected to astrology), the Dreamtime, the Kalevala, the McDuck Ghosts etc. I'm not an adherent of astrology IRL, but I kind of like the idea that it's real in the Rosaverse.
It might influence where I place some adventures in the 50s. For example, placing "A Letter From Home" and thus Scrooge's reconciliation with Matilda in 1957 would continue the theme of important events happening in years ending on a 7 (Scrooge's birth, Scrooge earning his first dime, Scrooge discovering the goose egg nugget and spending a month with Goldie, Donald's birth in my headcanon, Scrooge and the nephews' first meeting, Scrooge's death).
Yeah, you got me beat there. November 14 does make a bit more sense in that context.
I know the timing of A Letter From Home has been discussed in multiple other threads in years past. Don't know if you have read any of that yet or not!
Grandma Duck was born some time in October, as revealed in a photo from when she was two years old.
Donald Duck was born on June 9th or Friday the 13th? June 9th was used in The Duck Who Never Was. Friday the 13th was used in the Legends of the Three Caballeros.
Since Della Duck is Donald's twin sister (according to Rosa), they share the same birthday, June 9th, or Friday the 13th.
Daisy Duck was born on December 1st, according to a Rosa comic, although the birthday October 20 was also used.
Huey, Dewey, and Louie were born April 15, or April 6.
Fethry Duck was born on February 29, acording to a Ducktales 2017 comic.
I would accept July 8 as Scrooge's birthday, since there isn't any other dates that really could be his birthday.
See this thread I made four years ago for more information about Donald's birthday. Feel free to discuss the topic more there! Actually, should we open a "birthdays thread" if we want to discuss all evidence for all characters' birthdays? I searched, and it doesn't seem like we have such a thread open at the moment.
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Interesting to hear the reasoning on Scrooge's birthday(s). Personally I'll stick with November 14 (the publication date of "Christmas on Bear Mountain" according to Inducks) for my headcanon, because L&T Chapter 1, p. 1-6 is set around Scrooge's tenth birthday, and it has a tree that's shedding leaves, and generally feels more like autumn than summer to me.
Yeah, you got me beat there. November 14 does make a bit more sense in that context.
I just realized, though – there is also a case to be made for giving Scrooge a birthday before late March/early April. I deduced in my „Dating L&T“ thread that Scrooge’s departure from Scotland must have taken place in late March/early April 1880, and it is stated later on – on multiple occasions I believe – that he was 13 when he left Scotland. If his birthday was in summer or autumn, he would technically still have been 12 when he crossed the Atlantic.
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Yeah, you got me beat there. November 14 does make a bit more sense in that context.
I just realized, though – there is also a case to be made for giving Scrooge a birthday before late March/early April. I deduced in my „Dating L&T“ thread that Scrooge’s departure from Scotland must have taken place in late March/early April 1880, and it is stated later on – on multiple occasions I believe – that he was 13 when he left Scotland. If his birthday was in summer or autumn, he would technically still have been 12 when he crossed the Atlantic.
Is it ever stated he ever continued any education? I don’t believe he did, but at 12 years old, he surely had some type of education.
I just realized, though – there is also a case to be made for giving Scrooge a birthday before late March/early April. I deduced in my „Dating L&T“ thread that Scrooge’s departure from Scotland must have taken place in late March/early April 1880, and it is stated later on – on multiple occasions I believe – that he was 13 when he left Scotland. If his birthday was in summer or autumn, he would technically still have been 12 when he crossed the Atlantic.
Is it ever stated he ever continued any education? I don’t believe he did, but at 12 years old, he surely had some type of education.
From what I can gather by skimming over this text, he probably would have attended a parish school.
Is it ever stated he ever continued any education? I don’t believe he did, but at 12 years old, he surely had some type of education.
From what I can gather by skimming over this text, he probably would have attended a parish school.
That would make sense, although it’s never mentioned in any of Rosa’s stories. Although I’m sure he had a tutor or was education by his parents. That could probably be the same for Matilda and Hortense, they were probably educated by their mother. As for Gideon, he clearly had education in his background, so I can see him taking a keen interest in learning.
I remember a post way back when, where Matilda mentioned her idea of a 'headcanon Duckburg'. I'm pretty sure she was just referring to which stories she does/doesn't accept, but that specific phrasing honestly encapsulates my own headcanon perfectly.
It's undeniable that a lot of works don't work with one another - but still, I don't stress too much. If I like a story, it goes in - so, Gideon is still around even though he contradicts 'The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck'. In the same vein, Rosa's stories are incompatible with 'La Storia e Gloria della Dinastia dei Paperi', but I still like to keep the vast majority of it around in my headcanon.
Honestly, I roll with the ideas more than the specific stories - I like Mark Beaks and include him in my headcanon Duckburg, even though he doesn't really fit in a way that makes sense. I liked Ducktales '17 Glomgold, but not as the actual one - I like to imagine him as the Duke of Baloni having basically gone completely insane.
I like to think of the Disney Afternoon as canon to my Duckburg - even though Darkwing Duck isn't really compatible with most comics, and some of them don't really make sense. I think the idea of a Duck world where Timon & Pumbaa are going on crazy adventures is fun, even if it makes no sense. Basically, everyone gets to be there, even if it doesn't all make sense when you look at it as one entity - like, if you were to put my headcanon Duckburg under scrutiny, it'd fall apart or require rewriting/ignoring a lot of content. Still, I like to just enjoy what I can, and if I enjoy it, it fits in some capacity
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