I'll have a more detailed autopsy on this terrible show when it's come to its well-deserved end, but in the meantime I just wanted to observe once again (having caught up with "Let's Get Dangerous") that Angones can't even do the St. Canard universe right, let alone the Duckburg universe (as I already concluded based on his mishandling of Steelbeak). Taurus Bulba is deprived of his Russian accent (which destroys half of the clever joke contained in his character name) in order to allow for another celebrity stunt-casting, and also takes over most of the self-promotional posturing schtick that belonged to Liquidator in the original series. Bushroot, the most pathetic and lovable of the original Darkwing villains, is now the creepiest, and worst of all, the irrepressible, impulsive, quick-tempered Gosalyn, who was fully as quirky and fallible as Launchpad and Darkwing in the original show, is now a somber, desperately competent Girl on a Mission with rolling-eyed contempt for the stupidity of her adult male colleagues. Like the changes to the Duckburg crew, these alterations don't make the characters better, and are alienating to the same fans of the original whose nostalgia Angones so shamelessly tries to exploit.
Can you even try to state some positives about the show? Will you at least say it isn't the worst reboot compared to Teen Titans Go, PPG 2016, Ben 10 2017, Thunder Cats Roar, and others I may be forgetting?
What if he happens to like those? Why are those ok to not like and this one isn't?
To also comment: Teen Titans Go is probably my favorite cartoon on television nowadays while Ducktales (which is a property based on my favorite comics of all time) has failed to engage me after the first season. It’s all opinions, and frankly, it’s fine to not like or like things. (But also, this is a Donald Duck forum so naturally, the Donald Duck series will be the focus of our discussion and not Thundercats.)
On the topic of reboots, I think it's worth mentioning that there are a decent number of people here that aren't really focusing on it as a reboot - that would involve specifically comparing it to Ducktales '87. The main comparison is between the show and certain Duck comics, mainly Barks' and Rosa's.
Teen Titans Go! is actually an interesting one to bring up in that regard - because it's also a reboot of a comic book adaptation.
I've noticed, though, that most of the people that disliked Go! are comparing it to the 2003 Teen Titans show, and the comics don't really get brought up. Most of the people that dislike Ducktales '17 are comparing it to the comics - most of the people I've seen compare it to the original Ducktales actually do so favourably.
The idea of either one being the 'worst reboot' is actually pretty interesting. Ducktales '17 tried to be both a reboot of Ducktales and an adaptation of the Barks and Rosa comics, while also being its own thing. Teen Titans Go!, to my knowledge, made no effort whatsoever to tie into any of the Teen Titans comics. It was also brazenly different in tone and concept from the original show - which has actually won it a decent fanbase. Plenty of people enjoy the sheer audacity the show has, and how unapologetic it is for being itself.
So, which is the worse reboot? The one that tries to adapt several different source materials and doesn't do a very solid job of any, but is sincerely trying to be something good? Or the one that only adapts one specific source material, purposefully does a terrible job but sincerely has fun in what it's doing?
I'm not trying to sway anyone to either side, but the comparison between the two provides a lot of surprising food for thought.
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I think one thing Ducktales 2017 and Teen Titans Go have in common is that while the former is more especifically an adaptation of its predecessor show, it shares Ducktales 17' tendency to throw plenty of references to the comics that inspires and even to previous animated adaptations. I think the difference is that TT Go never intended to takes these inspirations remotely seriously, so when a character who's a direct call-back to other DC medias shows up, expect them to be mercilessly pummeled, literally and figuratively. With Ducktales 17, the references are meant to be a treat to fans of other medias, be it comic readers, fans of other Donald Duck productions or even Disney works that have nothing to do with the Disney Ducks. Of course, I'm talking about superficial references; when it comes to Teen Titans Go, it references plenty of different sources, including non-DC medias (even Ducktales was referenced once, no kidding!), but even when it focuses on another inspiration than the original Titans, its take is essentially a parody, never intending to be that respectful to whatever source it's handling.
Ducktales 2017, though, has built its identity on both superficial references (Barksian Modulator, Rosa Runes) and adaptations of multiple sources; first it was mostly the original Ducktales, but then they introduced references and characters from the comics, which I'm down with, but they further added characters from other Disney Afternoon shows such as Darkwing Duck, Talespin and even Rescue Rangers. Under that premise, they have to juggle different sources, and even different versions of the same character. We have the Every-Man Donald from the comics and the Cartoon Donald with the quacky voice, who might match sometimes, but in other moments they seem somewhat conflictuous. I've once praised the show for taking inspirations from so many sources while also trying to make something of its own, and I reaffirm it can work as both something original and making homages to its inpirations in some cases (I think the Quack Pack was one of the best examples), but sometimes it can become really messy.
But I think more than juggling different medias, it also juggles different fandoms, with diverse opinions and feelings for those different works. You have to handle fans who grew up with some, didn't grow up with/didn't particuarly care for others (I grew up with Ducktales and the comics, watched a few episodes of Darkwing Duck and never watched Talespin) and you have multiple reactions to what works what doesn't in this show. I've read complains about how they handled Glomgold, turning him into a bumbler and yet some thought he was better that way; you have people disarmed that they supernaturally lept Scrooge's parents alive and altered Fergus' relationship with Scrooge, while others didn't mind it but complained about Scrooge as a spy... and that's only whitin the Duck fandom! When you have fans of other cartoons and franchises, and you try to juggle all these adaptations into your show, it becomes exponentially complicated.
And can you even try to give some sympathy for those sad about the show ending even if you loathe it?
Honestly I can't do that because I've been repeatedly insulted by this show's fandom on Reddit and other forums for saying that I prefer LOT3C over it and for saying I didn't like Webby, even though I never insulted anyone.
I was pleased to see on Lieju's Duck Blog (where civility reigns) other people expressing a preference for LOT3C!
Honestly I can't do that because I've been repeatedly insulted by this show's fandom on Reddit and other forums for saying that I prefer LOT3C over it and for saying I didn't like Webby, even though I never insulted anyone.
I was pleased to see on Lieju's Duck Blog (where civility reigns) other people expressing a preference for LOT3C!
I lost interest in DuckTales '17 around 10 episodes in (to be fair, I started watching it a couple years after it debuted, so spoilers about HDL's mom etc were already abundant on the web), but Legend of the Three Caballeros was great. It's kind of fascinating if DuckTales '17 fans feel insulted over some people preferring Legend of the Three Caballeros, considering DuckTales got 3 seasons of 26 episodes each while Caballeros got one season of 13 episodes.
Honestly I can't do that because I've been repeatedly insulted by this show's fandom on Reddit and other forums for saying that I prefer LOT3C over it and for saying I didn't like Webby, even though I never insulted anyone.
I was pleased to see on Lieju's Duck Blog (where civility reigns) other people expressing a preference for LOT3C!
Thanks, I'll give it a chance!
Unfortunately whenever I try to say why I don't like the show I always get assaulted by people saying that I have "nostalgia goggles", I'm not judging the show rationally and I should judge the show for its own merits instead of comparing it with the comics. The thing is, I just can't see "the show's own merits". I'm not a comic book purist and I'm perfectly fine with media deviating from its source material (there's so many movies I love which are very different than the books they're based on, such as Fahrenheit 451), it's just that I can't seem to enjoy DuckTales17's storylines. The episodes themselves mostly give me a "meh" reaction or even make me cringe (such as the Day of The Only Child or Doofus' Birthday episodes) and overarching plots, in my opinion, developed poorly (especially in season 1, which feels like Della's and Magica's overarching stories were actually an afterthought since they seem so important in specific episodes and yet they're completely forgotten in other episodes). I can't stand most of the characters either because they're either too cynical and ungrateful (HDL) or shouting and overexcited all the time for no reason at all (Webby).
I was pleased to see on Lieju's Duck Blog (where civility reigns) other people expressing a preference for LOT3C!
Thanks, I'll give it a chance!
Unfortunately whenever I try to say why I don't like the show I always get assaulted by people saying that I have "nostalgia goggles", I'm not judging the show rationally and I should judge the show for its own merits instead of comparing it with the comics. The thing is, I just can't see "the show's own merits". I'm not a comic book purist and I'm perfectly fine with media deviating from its source material (there's so many movies I love which are very different than the books they're based on, such as Fahrenheit 451), it's just that I can't seem to enjoy DuckTales17's storylines. The episodes themselves mostly give me a "meh" reaction or even make me cringe (such as the Day of The Only Child or Doofus' Birthday episodes) and overarching plots, in my opinion, developed poorly (especially in season 1, which feels like Della's and Magica's overarching stories were actually an afterthought since they seem so important in specific episodes and yet they're completely forgotten in other episodes). I can't stand most of the characters either because they're either too cynical and ungrateful (HDL) or shouting and overexcited all the time for no reason at all (Webby).
Okay, don't you like the character development even a little bit on the show with people like Della, Lena, Scrooge, and Louie?
Did it at least do a good job bringing Della into animation for the first time and make you pray she appears in the Mickey and Friends stuff like how Max did in the late 90s and early 2000s?
And at the very least the fandom ain't half as bad compared to fandoms like Loud House, Steven Universe, Owl House, and some more I may be forgetting so this is just par for the course for a well receive story arc driven series (Amphibia may be the only one in recent years with a healthy fandom).
And given how you don't like Webby, do you think other Disney TVA female main characters are any better like Mabel Pines, Sylvia from Wander, Star Butterfly, Mellissa Chase from Milo Murphy's Law, Tilly Green from Big City Greens, Anne Boonchoy and Polly Plantar in Amphibia, and Luz Noceda from Owl House are any better than Webby?
No, I don't like the "character development" on any of the characters you've mentioned--or any of the other characters on this show. Between the sketchily self-conscious animation style, the hysterically amateurish celebrity voice-work, and the incorrigibly self-mocking writing, this show has invariably managed to shoot itself in the foot every time it tries to pretend that its characters have any depth.
No, I don't think it did a good job bringing Della into animation; this reckless, egotistical, shrill, and irritating version of the character will hopefully never appear in any Disney media again.
Other fandoms being worse doesn't absolve the Ducktales 2017 fandom of being rude and unpleasant.
Also, other characters being better or worse does not absolve the new "Webby" of being incredibly obnoxious.
Finally, instead of repeatedly practicing whataboutism and defending Ducktales 2017 by insisting that it's not as bad as the competition, why don't you tell us what you think is good about it? The people who have been critical of the show have been very specific and detailed in their criticisms, but I don't recall you ever telling us in detail why you like it. That would be more productive than your attempts to catechize the critics of the show.
No, I don't like the "character development" on any of the characters you've mentioned--or any of the other characters on this show. Between the sketchily self-conscious animation style, the hysterically amateurish celebrity voice-work, and the incorrigibly self-mocking writing, this show has invariably managed to shoot itself in the foot every time it tries to pretend that its characters have any depth.
No, I don't think it did a good job bringing Della into animation; this reckless, egotistical, shrill, and irritating version of the character will hopefully never appear in any Disney media again.
Other fandoms being worse doesn't absolve the Ducktales 2017 fandom of being rude and unpleasant.
Also, other characters being better or worse does not absolve the new "Webby" of being incredibly obnoxious.
Finally, instead of repeatedly practicing whataboutism and defending Ducktales 2017 by insisting that it's not as bad as the competition, why don't you tell us what you think is good about it? The people who have been critical of the show have been very specific and detailed in their criticisms, but I don't recall you ever telling us in detail why you like it. That would be more productive than your attempts to catechize the critics of the show.
Okay fine, I will tell why I love the show on its own merrits. I personally think it is great in so many ways. Animation is pretty great, smooth, fluid, and impressive, writing's really good and gives off some incredible character development to everyone (and I loved the character development like with Della adapting to being a mom in seasons 2-3, Scrooge growing to appreciate and bond with his family, Lena growing out of being Magica's shadow, and Louie going from taking shortcuts to using his sharp talent for good instead of shortcuts), has possible my favorite takes on Donald, HDL (finally fleshed out individuals with great character development instead of bland same personality ones), Scrooge, and Daisy (don't tell me you don't like her here), improves Webby and Beakley a lot from generic stereotypes into genuine fleshed out characters with depth, brings Della from a once in a blue moon comic character to a fleshed out character, has some amazing stories, brings Disney Afternoon elements and comic elements in animation crossover while managing to infuse new energy into it, got some gosh darn emotional feel moments (I'd be shocked if Last Crash of the Sunchaser, Shadow War, Whatever Happened to Della Duck, Whatevr Happened to Donald Duck, anything to do with Lena, and Timephoon didn't do anything to make you feel emotions) and I don't mind the whole deconstructive adventures thing like you all do (after all with how adventures have been played straight for so long, it got predictable for people which is why deconstructiveness is a thing for adventures in cartoons these days (not just Ducktales)).
And yeah there is Launchpad and Gyro but the show does tone down on Launchpad's idiocy as it goes on and Gyro's change is explained in Astro BOYD in a very emotional episode. And the deconstructive nature of adventures does decrease as time goes on in later episodes.
I also love the voice acting and don't really mind it being celebrities as they still do wonderful jobs (hey, celebrities being in cartoons isn't all bad seeing how good Disney is at it especially when they had Weird Al voice a 13 year old) especially in the more dramatic moments like Last Crash of the Sunchaser, the scene where Huey and Louie find out Dewey kept Della's mystery a secret from them, Della's trauma on the moon and adjusting to parenting, and Lena's traumatic past and abuse by Magica helped by how they are super happy getting to be on the show and be apart of something they grew up with. And they do utilize some veteran voice actors for major and supporting characters like Tony Anselmo as Donald, Kate Micucci as Webby, Eric Bauza as Beagle Boys and additional male voices, Keith Ferguson as Glomgold and additional male voices, and David Kaye as Duckworth. Their status as celebrities isn't even a factor in them getting the roles according to an interview with the creators.
The people I talk to also seem pretty chill with the show and not as toxic or rude as you make it out to be.
So yeah, I've given my two cents without doing much comparisons to other shows up to this point. Is that good? And I do respect opinions.
So if you don't like Della here, how would you have brought her into animation then and improved her?
Did how great did the show do with Goofy and Daisy? Does it got the best Donald/Daisy relationship ever?
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No, I don't like the "character development" on any of the characters you've mentioned--or any of the other characters on this show. Between the sketchily self-conscious animation style, the hysterically amateurish celebrity voice-work, and the incorrigibly self-mocking writing, this show has invariably managed to shoot itself in the foot every time it tries to pretend that its characters have any depth.
No, I don't think it did a good job bringing Della into animation; this reckless, egotistical, shrill, and irritating version of the character will hopefully never appear in any Disney media again.
Other fandoms being worse doesn't absolve the Ducktales 2017 fandom of being rude and unpleasant.
Also, other characters being better or worse does not absolve the new "Webby" of being incredibly obnoxious.
Finally, instead of repeatedly practicing whataboutism and defending Ducktales 2017 by insisting that it's not as bad as the competition, why don't you tell us what you think is good about it? The people who have been critical of the show have been very specific and detailed in their criticisms, but I don't recall you ever telling us in detail why you like it. That would be more productive than your attempts to catechize the critics of the show.
Okay fine, I will tell why I love the show on its own merrits. I personally think it is great in so many ways. Animation is pretty great in getting the look of both Barks' comics and Milt Kahl, writing's really good and gives off some incredible character development to everyone (and I loved the character development like with Della adapting to being a mom in seasons 2-3, Scrooge growing to appreciate and bond with his family, Lena growing out of being Magica's shadow, and Louie going from taking shortcuts to using his sharp talent for good instead of shortcuts), has possible my favorite takes on Donald, HDL (finally fleshed out individuals with great character development instead of bland same personality ones), Scrooge, and Daisy (don't tell me you don't like her here), improves Webby and Beakley a lot from generic stereotypes into genuine fleshed out characters with depth, brings Della from a once in a blue moon comic character to a fleshed out character, has some amazing stories, brings Disney Afternoon elements and comic elements in animation crossover while managing to infuse new energy into it, got some gosh darn emotional feel moments (I'd be shocked if Last Crash of the Sunchaser, Shadow War, Whatever Happened to Della Duck, Whatevr Happened to Donald Duck, anything to do with Lena, and Timephoon didn't do anything to make you feel emotions) and I don't mind the whole deconstructive adventures thing like you all do (after all with how adventures have been played straight for so long, it got predictable for people which is why deconstructiveness is a thing for adventures in cartoons these days (not just Ducktales)).
And yeah there is Launchpad and Gyro but the show does tone down on Launchpad's idiocy as it goes on and Gyro's change is explained in Astro BOYD in a very emotional episode. And the deconstructive nature of adventures does decrease as time goes on in later episodes.
I also love the voice acting and don't really mind it being celebrities as they still do wonderful jobs (hey, celebrities being in cartoons isn't all bad seeing how good Disney is at it especially when they had Weird Al voice a 13 year old) especially in the more dramatic moments like Last Crash of the Sunchaser, the scene where Huey and Louie find out Dewey kept Della's mystery a secret from them, Della's trauma on the moon and adjusting to parenting, and Lena's traumatic past and abuse by Magica helped by how they are super happy getting to be on the show and be apart of something they grew up with. And they do utilize some veteran voice actors for major and supporting characters like Tony Anselmo as Donald, Kate Micucci as Webby, Eric Bauza as Beagle Boys and additional male voices, Keith Ferguson as Glomgold and additional male voices, and David Kaye as Duckworth. Their status as celebrities isn't even a factor in them getting the roles according to an interview with the creators.
The people I talk to also seem pretty chill with the show and not as toxic or rude as you make it out to be.
So yeah, I've given my two cents without doing much comparisons to other shows up to this point. Is that good? And I do respect opinions.
So if you don't like Della here, how would you have brought her into animation then and improved her? Does Big City Greens do the reckless missing mom coming back to kids' lives better with Nancy Green then Ducktales did with Della?
Did how great did the show do with Goofy and Daisy? Does it got the best Donald/Daisy relationship ever?
Not the guy who you were responding to, but I'll just counter some points:
- How is the animation great in getting the looks of Barks' comics? I'm not arguing whether the animation itself is fine or not, but saying it looks like Barks' classic cartoons style is just wrong. In fact, the square heads designs for the nephews seem to actively go against that classic style.
- Arguing on whether writing is good or not is pointless, as everyone have their own opinions. I myself find the writing just at best decent, and at worst plain bad. Others have already gone into detail as to why.
- I keep seeing Ducktales defenders saying "HDL is now unique and not the same". That doesn't mean it's necessarily better. In fact, personally I don't like anything in the new HDL, maybe except Louie. Huey and Dewey are both toned up to being unnecessarily annoying. The old ones got a charm to them with their usual childlish personalities. One thing I also hate with Rosa comics.
- In the same boat, making Della a character doesn't necessarily mean good, either. They didn't even attempt to get any depth with her return. She just showed up on her own, and everyone accepted her back easily. And her personality afterwards as being immature is just, no. I sure as hell would love to see this iteration buried and never appearing again.
- I would just say that this is up to your opinion normally, but how is it possible to like Donald in this show?
- You felt emotional moments, others didn't. A lot of people argued that they can't get to care for the characters because of the nature of the show. Without care no one can really feel any emotions. I didn't feel anything in Sunchaser, for example, because by that point I have quite lost a lot of hope in the show.
- About that Big City Green example, I doubt many people here cares about other Disney shows. So don't expect them to answer that. It's something in your previous posts that I really hated.
- And for the Donald/Daisy relationship, Mr Duck Steps Out works as a contender.
No, I don't like the "character development" on any of the characters you've mentioned--or any of the other characters on this show. Between the sketchily self-conscious animation style, the hysterically amateurish celebrity voice-work, and the incorrigibly self-mocking writing, this show has invariably managed to shoot itself in the foot every time it tries to pretend that its characters have any depth.
No, I don't think it did a good job bringing Della into animation; this reckless, egotistical, shrill, and irritating version of the character will hopefully never appear in any Disney media again.
Other fandoms being worse doesn't absolve the Ducktales 2017 fandom of being rude and unpleasant.
Also, other characters being better or worse does not absolve the new "Webby" of being incredibly obnoxious.
Finally, instead of repeatedly practicing whataboutism and defending Ducktales 2017 by insisting that it's not as bad as the competition, why don't you tell us what you think is good about it? The people who have been critical of the show have been very specific and detailed in their criticisms, but I don't recall you ever telling us in detail why you like it. That would be more productive than your attempts to catechize the critics of the show.
Okay fine, I will tell why I love the show on its own merrits. I personally think it is great in so many ways. Animation is pretty great in getting the look of both Barks' comics and Milt Kahl, writing's really good and gives off some incredible character development to everyone (and I loved the character development like with Della adapting to being a mom in seasons 2-3, Scrooge growing to appreciate and bond with his family, Lena growing out of being Magica's shadow, and Louie going from taking shortcuts to using his sharp talent for good instead of shortcuts), has possible my favorite takes on Donald, HDL (finally fleshed out individuals with great character development instead of bland same personality ones), Scrooge, and Daisy (don't tell me you don't like her here), improves Webby and Beakley a lot from generic stereotypes into genuine fleshed out characters with depth, brings Della from a once in a blue moon comic character to a fleshed out character, has some amazing stories, brings Disney Afternoon elements and comic elements in animation crossover while managing to infuse new energy into it, got some gosh darn emotional feel moments (I'd be shocked if Last Crash of the Sunchaser, Shadow War, Whatever Happened to Della Duck, Whatevr Happened to Donald Duck, anything to do with Lena, and Timephoon didn't do anything to make you feel emotions) and I don't mind the whole deconstructive adventures thing like you all do (after all with how adventures have been played straight for so long, it got predictable for people which is why deconstructiveness is a thing for adventures in cartoons these days (not just Ducktales)).
And yeah there is Launchpad and Gyro but the show does tone down on Launchpad's idiocy as it goes on and Gyro's change is explained in Astro BOYD in a very emotional episode. And the deconstructive nature of adventures does decrease as time goes on in later episodes.
I also love the voice acting and don't really mind it being celebrities as they still do wonderful jobs (hey, celebrities being in cartoons isn't all bad seeing how good Disney is at it especially when they had Weird Al voice a 13 year old) especially in the more dramatic moments like Last Crash of the Sunchaser, the scene where Huey and Louie find out Dewey kept Della's mystery a secret from them, Della's trauma on the moon and adjusting to parenting, and Lena's traumatic past and abuse by Magica helped by how they are super happy getting to be on the show and be apart of something they grew up with. And they do utilize some veteran voice actors for major and supporting characters like Tony Anselmo as Donald, Kate Micucci as Webby, Eric Bauza as Beagle Boys and additional male voices, Keith Ferguson as Glomgold and additional male voices, and David Kaye as Duckworth. Their status as celebrities isn't even a factor in them getting the roles according to an interview with the creators.
The people I talk to also seem pretty chill with the show and not as toxic or rude as you make it out to be.
So yeah, I've given my two cents without doing much comparisons to other shows up to this point. Is that good? And I do respect opinions.
So if you don't like Della here, how would you have brought her into animation then and improved her? Does Big City Greens do the reckless missing mom coming back to kids' lives better with Nancy Green then Ducktales did with Della?
Did how great did the show do with Goofy and Daisy? Does it got the best Donald/Daisy relationship ever?
Can you attempt to talk about this show without bringing up a dozen other shows that odds are a lot of people here are at most only familiar with by name? I think you misjudge where you are and the audience you're with. We don't care about Big City Greens or Teen Titans Go as a community, this isn't a Disney fans community, it's specifically about Disney Comics.
Okay fine, I will tell why I love the show on its own merrits. I personally think it is great in so many ways. Animation is pretty great in getting the look of both Barks' comics and Milt Kahl, writing's really good and gives off some incredible character development to everyone (and I loved the character development like with Della adapting to being a mom in seasons 2-3, Scrooge growing to appreciate and bond with his family, Lena growing out of being Magica's shadow, and Louie going from taking shortcuts to using his sharp talent for good instead of shortcuts), has possible my favorite takes on Donald, HDL (finally fleshed out individuals with great character development instead of bland same personality ones), Scrooge, and Daisy (don't tell me you don't like her here), improves Webby and Beakley a lot from generic stereotypes into genuine fleshed out characters with depth, brings Della from a once in a blue moon comic character to a fleshed out character, has some amazing stories, brings Disney Afternoon elements and comic elements in animation crossover while managing to infuse new energy into it, got some gosh darn emotional feel moments (I'd be shocked if Last Crash of the Sunchaser, Shadow War, Whatever Happened to Della Duck, Whatevr Happened to Donald Duck, anything to do with Lena, and Timephoon didn't do anything to make you feel emotions) and I don't mind the whole deconstructive adventures thing like you all do (after all with how adventures have been played straight for so long, it got predictable for people which is why deconstructiveness is a thing for adventures in cartoons these days (not just Ducktales)).
And yeah there is Launchpad and Gyro but the show does tone down on Launchpad's idiocy as it goes on and Gyro's change is explained in Astro BOYD in a very emotional episode. And the deconstructive nature of adventures does decrease as time goes on in later episodes.
I also love the voice acting and don't really mind it being celebrities as they still do wonderful jobs (hey, celebrities being in cartoons isn't all bad seeing how good Disney is at it especially when they had Weird Al voice a 13 year old) especially in the more dramatic moments like Last Crash of the Sunchaser, the scene where Huey and Louie find out Dewey kept Della's mystery a secret from them, Della's trauma on the moon and adjusting to parenting, and Lena's traumatic past and abuse by Magica helped by how they are super happy getting to be on the show and be apart of something they grew up with. And they do utilize some veteran voice actors for major and supporting characters like Tony Anselmo as Donald, Kate Micucci as Webby, Eric Bauza as Beagle Boys and additional male voices, Keith Ferguson as Glomgold and additional male voices, and David Kaye as Duckworth. Their status as celebrities isn't even a factor in them getting the roles according to an interview with the creators.
The people I talk to also seem pretty chill with the show and not as toxic or rude as you make it out to be.
So yeah, I've given my two cents without doing much comparisons to other shows up to this point. Is that good? And I do respect opinions.
So if you don't like Della here, how would you have brought her into animation then and improved her? Does Big City Greens do the reckless missing mom coming back to kids' lives better with Nancy Green then Ducktales did with Della?
Did how great did the show do with Goofy and Daisy? Does it got the best Donald/Daisy relationship ever?
Not the guy who you were responding to, but I'll just counter some points:
- How is the animation great in getting the looks of Barks' comics? I'm not arguing whether the animation itself is fine or not, but saying it looks like Barks' classic cartoons style is just wrong. In fact, the square heads designs for the nephews seem to actively go against that classic style.
- Arguing on whether writing is good or not is pointless, as everyone have their own opinions. I myself find the writing just at best decent, and at worst plain bad. Others have already gone into detail as to why.
- I keep seeing Ducktales defenders saying "HDL is now unique and not the same". That doesn't mean it's necessarily better. In fact, personally I don't like anything in the new HDL, maybe except Louie. Huey and Dewey are both toned up to being unnecessarily annoying. The old ones got a charm to them with their usual childlish personalities. One thing I also hate with Rosa comics.
- In the same boat, making Della a character doesn't necessarily mean good, either. They didn't even attempt to get any depth with her return. She just showed up on her own, and everyone accepted her back easily. And her personality afterwards as being immature is just, no. I sure as hell would love to see this iteration buried and never appearing again.
- I would just say that this is up to your opinion normally, but how is it possible to like Donald in this show?
- You felt emotional moments, others didn't. A lot of people argued that they can't get to care for the characters because of the nature of the show. Without care no one can really feel any emotions. I didn't feel anything in Sunchaser, for example, because by that point I have quite lost a lot of hope in the show.
- About that Big City Green example, I doubt many people here cares about other Disney shows. So don't expect them to answer that. It's something in your previous posts that I really hated.
- And for the Donald/Daisy relationship, Mr Duck Steps Out works as a contender.
There, I removed the BCG example. Happy?
And I also mentioned Milt Kahl too as well for animation influence (I got used to square heads as time went on).
Eh just stating why I love the writing.
And Della wasn't accepted back that easily. We know Louie had a bit of a hard time and even Scrooge is still frustrated as shown in his rant in Raiders of the Doomsday Vault. And Della not being a good parent at first is addressed in Nothing Can Stop Della Duck where Scrooge says it will take time for her to adjust to being a parent. Timephoon even has Della mature and grow a spine to discipline Louie when he nearly causes the destruction of space and time with New Gods on the Block even giving some mature mama Della content.
And I also love Della a lot (She's my favorite) and she could add some more female representation to the Mickey and Friends group which only has Minnie, Daisy, and Clarabelle for females and they aren't particularly the most fleshed out charcters in depth aside from a couple series with their main purposes being to be satellite lover interests to Mickey, Donald, and Goofy/Horace and that's it so it would be nice to see a non love interest female in the mix.
How can I not love this version of Donald? Dude's a three dimensional character now in animation and I loved the emphasis on his parental side especially when leading to some pretty touching moments with him being the nephews' parent with Whatever Happened to Donald Duck even giving its reasoning on why Donald's so angry all the time. Add in some great dynamics with animation in Gladstone and his amazing relationship with Daisy and his troubled past trauma with Della's disappearance and there's a great Donald in my opinion.
How is Mr Duck Steps out a contender? I love that short but Daisy isn't particularly the most well developed in the short which was more focused on the comedy and gags with Donald vs the nephews.
Any way you would've brought Della in animation then if you think the show did a bad job?
Last Edit: Dec 16, 2020 14:32:07 GMT by duckhuefan
Not the guy who you were responding to, but I'll just counter some points:
- How is the animation great in getting the looks of Barks' comics? I'm not arguing whether the animation itself is fine or not, but saying it looks like Barks' classic cartoons style is just wrong. In fact, the square heads designs for the nephews seem to actively go against that classic style. (...)
And I also mentioned Milt Kahl too as well for animation influence (I got used to square heads as time went on).
The problem is, you can't just throw out random statements like that without any kind of argument to back them up. Right now, your comment on the animation says, "Animation is pretty great in getting the look of both Barks' comics and Milt Kahl..." How on earth does it do that? I don't see Barks OR Milt Kahl in the animation in DuckTales '17. Please offer specific examples of how the animation accomplishes what you claim if you want us to take anything you say seriously.
And I also mentioned Milt Kahl too as well for animation influence (I got used to square heads as time went on).
The problem is, you can't just throw out random statements like that without any kind of argument to back them up. Right now, your comment on the animation says, "Animation is pretty great in getting the look of both Barks' comics and Milt Kahl..." How on earth does it do that? I don't see Barks OR Milt Kahl in the animation in DuckTales '17. Please offer specific examples of how the animation accomplishes what you claim if you want us to take anything you say seriously.