Quest for the square eggs was hinted in season 2, the reason why Magica (now fully charged and set up for a comeback) hates clan McDuck was never fully explained and Negaduck is also "out there" as well.
But having six episodes left I can imagine them making one center around Fenton/Gandra relationship (seein how she is part of F.O.W.L. and all) and perhaps "Beagleburg" thing will come into play since both Magica and Glomgold got one episode center around them this season so maybe Beagles will get one as wll (but if it will be only one episode thing well feel like a waste)
I do think It would be kind-off funny if they would end the show on one of the tripplets looking on the paiting again, notcing something far in the backhround and going - Dad!?
Well, what can I say... of this is wjere they intended to end the show, and it's for no other reason, I'm actually down with that.
What I'm getting from the official statements is that they'd ideally have wanted a Seaon 4, although they did go into Season 3 knowing it would likely be their last and planned it out accordingy. Certainly, unless they run through dangling plot hooks very quickly in the episodes they've got left, it seems like a lot of setups have yet to fully pay off. Just off the top of my head: the “Beagleburg” storyline, Lena defending Duckburg against a reempowered Magica, the Fenton/Gandra love story (and Gizmoduck's enmity with Mark Beaks), “Scotty McDuck — Alternate Timeline???” on the board in Season 1, the origins of the Headless Man-Horse, the identity of Ludwig von Drake's wife and circumstances of his (alleged?) death… None of these concepts are A-list stuff, but they do seem like groundwork for a Season 4.
None of those are as big a deal as you make them out to be. Stuff like Fenton/Gandra will just get settled when it's time, the "Beagleburg" thing is just more "lore" there to make Scrooge even more of an overpowered superhero and give backstory to the Beagles, Lena and Magica's situation doesn't need to be resolved/addressed since to begin with it was just making a new status quo (Lena accepts herself with her magic and Magica is able to be an enemy again), Ludwig having a wife and children is just something DT17 went with when they reimagined him as some super secret agent type. Not even bothering with obvious jokes like the Scotty Mcduck.
Quest for the square eggs was hinted in season 2, the reason why Magica (now fully charged and set up for a comeback) hates clan McDuck was never fully explained and Negaduck is also "out there" as well.
But having six episodes left I can imagine them making one center around Fenton/Gandra relationship (seein how she is part of F.O.W.L. and all) and perhaps "Beagleburg" thing will come into play since both Magica and Glomgold got one episode center around them this season so maybe Beagles will get one as wll (but if it will be only one episode thing well feel like a waste)
I do think It would be kind-off funny if they would end the show on one of the tripplets looking on the paiting again, notcing something fan in the backhround and going - Dad!?
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Negaduck is a Darkwing Duck villain. His whole character is being the negative of Darkwing. He has no real connections with the Duck Clan outside of Launchpad in a pinch. The show already did an awkward job trying to stick the Ducks into Drake's story, it's best that Negaduck stay someone who tangoes with Drake and HIS circle of friends/family.
Magica in this show doesn't need a backstory for her hating the McDucks beyond what we're already given. It made Scrooge into a ridicously old super billionagajillionare ala Tony Stark or Bruce Wayne.
And besides, it's just the end of the show. Not the end of the brand. We can always get comics, even a video game.
Magica in this show doesn't need a backstory for her hating the McDucks beyond what we're already given. (…) And besides, it's just the end of the show. Not the end of the brand. We can always get comics, even a video game.
Oh, to be sure, Magica doesn't need more backstory. And any dangling plot threads can be resolved in other media, as you say. We're simply trying to divine whether the writing crew wanted to end here or not, and there, as I said, I really dunno. In Magica's case, the thing is that Angones & Co. have teased some deeper more about "the De Spells" in relation to "the McDucks" on several occasions now.
Well, I can't see myself getting too misty-eyed over this news. I think what makes it extra satisfying is that unlike the Rosa stories and Gravity Falls which ended naturally and when the creators were done this show was canceled not even giving it the proper finale the creators intended.
Also, I realize I might have started a little bit of an uproar with my "Rosa fans" comment, so I've created a new thread for you guys to debate in so you don't bring that discussion to this thread. It will be titled "Rosa, Yay or Nay?"
I'll have a more detailed autopsy on this terrible show when it's come to its well-deserved end, but in the meantime I just wanted to observe once again (having caught up with "Let's Get Dangerous") that Angones can't even do the St. Canard universe right, let alone the Duckburg universe (as I already concluded based on his mishandling of Steelbeak). Taurus Bulba is deprived of his Russian accent (which destroys half of the clever joke contained in his character name) in order to allow for another celebrity stunt-casting, and also takes over most of the self-promotional posturing schtick that belonged to Liquidator in the original series. Bushroot, the most pathetic and lovable of the original Darkwing villains, is now the creepiest, and worst of all, the irrepressible, impulsive, quick-tempered Gosalyn, who was fully as quirky and fallible as Launchpad and Darkwing in the original show, is now a somber, desperately competent Girl on a Mission with rolling-eyed contempt for the stupidity of her adult male colleagues. Like the changes to the Duckburg crew, these alterations don't make the characters better, and are alienating to the same fans of the original whose nostalgia Angones so shamelessly tries to exploit.
While I'm enjoying some of the ideas and characters, I'd have to agree. Having the buzzards turn out to be F.O.W.L. High Command was absurd; once the shock factor wears off, the nonsensical nature of it sets in, both as a Duck comic fan and as a Darkwing fan.
The name-dropping definitely gets irksome. Some in particular that annoyed me were Beakley mentioning that they'd be watching "Christmas on Bear Mountain" and the odd references to Plain Awful. The 'Barksian Modulator' and 'Barks Way' jokes are ones that I think are gratuitous, but to be expected. Then you have the 'Grimoire du Merlock'. One in particular that REALLY annoyed me was when Magica is trying to rouse Scrooge at the end of season 1, and he says "I don't need these pince-nez spectacles!" Who would ever say that? The constant unnecessary references just reek of them going "See? We know our stuff!" and it gets obnoxious very quickly.
Same for your second point. I don't have many examples or anything as that didn't bother me in a way that I found noteworthy too often, but I'd agree.
I've seen so many comments saying that the show was nothing but a lousy set up for a Darkwing spinoff, but even that doesn't work for me. I still haven't seen Let's Get Dangerous or any of season 3, so I can't comment fully, but the fact that we've seen the F.O.W.L. High Command is already a strike. The fact that they're being beaten by children is another problem; plus, if they do what I think they're going to and have the team beat the High Command in the end... oy. There were two antagonists in Darkwing Duck that should NEVER be crossed: Taurus Bulba (Who Darkwing would just barely defeat and who was billed as one of the most serious threats in the show, despite his very few appearances) and the F.O.W.L. High Command (Who operated in the shadows and were basically untouchable).
It amazes me when everyone praises it for bringing these shows and characters back, even though, if I'm honest, it feels like it's doing a disservice to most of them.
TBF if FOWL won, then wouldn't that kinda end up ending on a bit of a downer note especially if season 3 really does turn out to be the end? And we know shows ending with villains winning don't get the best response shown with how they handled Teen Titans' series finale (Things Change) and Gumball's series finale so you can't just have the show end with villains winning.
So who would YOU have picked for season 3's main villain if not FOWL? They had to raise the stakes after Magica and Lunaris so FOWL was a logical step.
And FYI, Frank said the reason he changed Fergus was this:
"Ultimately, the decision was made because this is primarily a show about FAMILY, and the opportunity to see how Scrooge interacts with his parents in light of how he’s acted with the kids up to this point."
Plus there is a change Fergus and Downy may die in the next episode given how an OOC context quote from an emotional scene is "Take care of your brother".
As for Negaduck, Frank said he won't be in season 3 since in his words:
"We tried to fit Jim into a particular episode, but he’s just SUCH a big, rad character that any time he shows up, the entire episode HAS to be all about him. It’s why Negaduck is one of my all time favorite villains, and I didn’t want to shortchange him. We felt we were doing a disservice to his character as well as some other big characters that we love, so we decided now was not his time.
I have a big, epic Jim/Negaduck story in me that I really hope we get to tell someday. It’s a heartbreaker."
And you do realize having Paulsen on board but not voicing Steelbeak is called Remake Cameo which many shows do. And the show has tons of remake cameos like Russi Taylor voicing Young Donald for Last Christmas, Jim Cummings as Jim Starling (aka Negaduck), and they planned to have Alan Young voice Fergus but he died before recording.
Do you at least respect the huge fan following the show has? It is very well liked and considered an amazing love letter to Disney Afternoon and the comics by tons of fans (the fact it has three seasons and an upcoming attraction in Disney World has to say something on the success). Only people not liking it are the same nostalgic ones that were gonna criticize no matter which direction they took so there isn't really pleasing those kinds of nostalgic purist fans.
How is this series a love letter to the Disney Afternoon when it seeks to be completely different than the tone by which the Disney Afternoon embraced millions of fans?
Why? Because it merely acknowledges the existence of such characters and uses their skins while completely changing the characters underneath? It is just a shallow homage. It is actually insulting to the show. "Hey, we love your characters so much that we are going to change everything about them!" How flattering.
How is this series a love letter to the Disney Afternoon when it seeks to be completely different than the tone by which the Disney Afternoon embraced millions of fans?
Why? Because it merely acknowledges the existence of such characters and uses their skins while completely changing the characters underneath? It is just a shallow homage. It is actually insulting to the show. "Hey, we love your characters so much that we are going to change everything about them!" How flattering.
Okay, I understand that not all adaptations satisfy* all fans, but I don't agree that changes in general weren't needed. When you're working on adaptation, you have to handle a different scenario, different public, different priorities, it makes sense that the characters and dynamics would be altered. Now, we usually assume that when they alter something, it's because they didn't think it worked now or because they were oblivious to why it worked, but there's more than that. In a different show, you can't just repeat what was done before,you have to make something original.
This is especially visible in Let's Get Dangerous: it's the closest thing to an episode remake, so they had to make things different; the ramrod has a different use, Taurus Bulba is different, Gosalyn is different... and it worked out really well in my opinion! Bulba was already a great villain, but while in the original Darkwing show his villainy was blatant, here he's much better at putting a friendly, affable façade, to the point that I wasn't sure how much of that was an act and how much was genuine. And while Gosalyn lacks her hyperactive personality, it makes sense considering her new backstory: in the Darkwing series, she had a generally happy life at the orphanage between her grandfather's death and the day Bulba targeted her, but here, she lost her granfather to Bulba's actions and knows that, and also knows that he may not be gone for good, so she's been invested in bringing him back, building up a dilemma that really paid off in the climax, creating a brand new origin for her bonding with Darkwing and Launchpad. They didn't change it because the original story was bad or wouldn't work, but because they had to do something original, or that'd be just a rip-off to the Darwking Duck pilot.
I'm not saying that the show's choices are critic-proof, or that I wasn't bothered by some of the changes.I agree that making Steelbeak a foil to Launchpad was questionable to put it mildly, especially because I'm not sure what direction they going for with that, and that some of the comics adaptations rob the characters of what made them work what they were in the source material. But when it comes to the Disney Afternoon characters, I don't see them as shallow homages, especially considering how well they adapatated most characters from the original Ducktales series, the new Darkwing Duck and Negaduck, giving them a brand new origin that's definitely a love letter to DW fans. So, yes, change can be disappointing sometimes, but I don't think it's made because the creators aren't real fans or ignorant to what worked before. The showrunners also grew up with Disney Afternoon shows, they were in touch with what those cartoons meant for their generation. They just happened to handle an adaptation with new stories and for a new audience. The path is full of imperfect and divisive decisions, but it's not because change automatically equals thoughtlessness.
*Oh, sorry, I just noticed that I wrote "appease" here when I was trying to say "please"; it totally altered the meaning.
I'll have a more detailed autopsy on this terrible show when it's come to its well-deserved end, but in the meantime I just wanted to observe once again (having caught up with "Let's Get Dangerous") that Angones can't even do the St. Canard universe right, let alone the Duckburg universe (as I already concluded based on his mishandling of Steelbeak). Taurus Bulba is deprived of his Russian accent (which destroys half of the clever joke contained in his character name) in order to allow for another celebrity stunt-casting, and also takes over most of the self-promotional posturing schtick that belonged to Liquidator in the original series. Bushroot, the most pathetic and lovable of the original Darkwing villains, is now the creepiest, and worst of all, the irrepressible, impulsive, quick-tempered Gosalyn, who was fully as quirky and fallible as Launchpad and Darkwing in the original show, is now a somber, desperately competent Girl on a Mission with rolling-eyed contempt for the stupidity of her adult male colleagues. Like the changes to the Duckburg crew, these alterations don't make the characters better, and are alienating to the same fans of the original whose nostalgia Angones so shamelessly tries to exploit.
Eh, I thought Gosalyn was fine. I just think that the idea of bringing characters from a tv show to attack a city is stupid
The Rosa fans who were mostly agreeing with you up until this point, all in unison: REEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!
Jesus wept man learn to multiquote in one post, look at that, four posts in succession to add simple one-sentence replies often as vapid as this one. Christ. If you've posted, you don't get to immediately post again. This isn't a chat, it's a forum.
Jesus wept man learn to multiquote in one post, look at that, four posts in succession to add simple one-sentence replies often as vapid as this one. Christ. If you've posted, you don't get to immediately post again. This isn't a chat, it's a forum.
Nah, Imma do whatever I want
Let's see if you still think that in two weeks. Bye.
I'll have a more detailed autopsy on this terrible show when it's come to its well-deserved end, but in the meantime I just wanted to observe once again (having caught up with "Let's Get Dangerous") that Angones can't even do the St. Canard universe right, let alone the Duckburg universe (as I already concluded based on his mishandling of Steelbeak). Taurus Bulba is deprived of his Russian accent (which destroys half of the clever joke contained in his character name) in order to allow for another celebrity stunt-casting, and also takes over most of the self-promotional posturing schtick that belonged to Liquidator in the original series. Bushroot, the most pathetic and lovable of the original Darkwing villains, is now the creepiest, and worst of all, the irrepressible, impulsive, quick-tempered Gosalyn, who was fully as quirky and fallible as Launchpad and Darkwing in the original show, is now a somber, desperately competent Girl on a Mission with rolling-eyed contempt for the stupidity of her adult male colleagues. Like the changes to the Duckburg crew, these alterations don't make the characters better, and are alienating to the same fans of the original whose nostalgia Angones so shamelessly tries to exploit.
Can you even try to state some positives about the show? Will you at least say it isn't the worst reboot compared to Teen Titans Go, PPG 2016, Ben 10 2017, Thunder Cats Roar, and others I may be forgetting?
I don't even see Drake adopting Gosalyn. He's not even older than 30 while Gosalyn is obviously an older version here. Like no younger than 12. They obviously set her up to be Quiverwing Quack from the getgo rather than have her develop into it.
I'll have a more detailed autopsy on this terrible show when it's come to its well-deserved end, but in the meantime I just wanted to observe once again (having caught up with "Let's Get Dangerous") that Angones can't even do the St. Canard universe right, let alone the Duckburg universe (as I already concluded based on his mishandling of Steelbeak). Taurus Bulba is deprived of his Russian accent (which destroys half of the clever joke contained in his character name) in order to allow for another celebrity stunt-casting, and also takes over most of the self-promotional posturing schtick that belonged to Liquidator in the original series. Bushroot, the most pathetic and lovable of the original Darkwing villains, is now the creepiest, and worst of all, the irrepressible, impulsive, quick-tempered Gosalyn, who was fully as quirky and fallible as Launchpad and Darkwing in the original show, is now a somber, desperately competent Girl on a Mission with rolling-eyed contempt for the stupidity of her adult male colleagues. Like the changes to the Duckburg crew, these alterations don't make the characters better, and are alienating to the same fans of the original whose nostalgia Angones so shamelessly tries to exploit.
Can you even try to state some positives about the show? Will you at least say it isn't the worst reboot compared to Teen Titans Go, PPG 2016, Ben 10 2017, Thunder Cats Roar, and others I may be forgetting?
I'll have a more detailed autopsy on this terrible show when it's come to its well-deserved end, but in the meantime I just wanted to observe once again (having caught up with "Let's Get Dangerous") that Angones can't even do the St. Canard universe right, let alone the Duckburg universe (as I already concluded based on his mishandling of Steelbeak). Taurus Bulba is deprived of his Russian accent (which destroys half of the clever joke contained in his character name) in order to allow for another celebrity stunt-casting, and also takes over most of the self-promotional posturing schtick that belonged to Liquidator in the original series. Bushroot, the most pathetic and lovable of the original Darkwing villains, is now the creepiest, and worst of all, the irrepressible, impulsive, quick-tempered Gosalyn, who was fully as quirky and fallible as Launchpad and Darkwing in the original show, is now a somber, desperately competent Girl on a Mission with rolling-eyed contempt for the stupidity of her adult male colleagues. Like the changes to the Duckburg crew, these alterations don't make the characters better, and are alienating to the same fans of the original whose nostalgia Angones so shamelessly tries to exploit.
Can you even try to state some positives about the show? Will you at least say it isn't the worst reboot compared to Teen Titans Go, PPG 2016, Ben 10 2017, Thunder Cats Roar, and others I may be forgetting?
I wouldn't bother. Commenters here seem to be split between those who liked the show, those who liked with plenty of qualifications and those who were too disappointed and to find anything remotely positive to say about it. The third group is the least prone to changing their mind, because in their case the parts they didn't like frustrated them beyond redemption. I'm more inclined to the first group, though I keep swinging between there and the second group, so I can relate to disappointment.
There were moments when I was frustrated, no doubt, but in general, I had a positive experience, mostly because I was used to seeing adaptations sacrifice a few major traits for the sake of fitting into a new context, and when they got it to work in a different direction, I didn't really mind. One case where that didn't work for me was Rockerduck. That is, in his first appearance he really worked as a robber baron, but then they brought him back frozen with a Zombie-like robot and... he's now a F.O.W.L member for some reason, and let's go with that. Had they left him in the past, we'd have a decent take on his character, but now we have a direction that lacks anything I know Rockerduck for (he no longer works as a robber baron, he's not motivated by his rivarly with Scrooge, he doesn't eat his hat) and what they made for him instead is... unclear to say the least. At least with Phantom Blot there was a clear idea of what his character was like and he still carried some of the traits I knew him for from the comics. Rockerduck's become increasingly underwhelming.