Ducktales 2017

[Monkey_Feyerabend]

Jun 8, 2017 23:33:24 GMT Matilda said:

 I do have an observation on birth order in twins: in Italy, I was told in the 1970's by an Italian physician who is an identical twin, the assumed relative age of twins is the opposite of what we assume. We say the one born first is older, whereas in Italy, he told me, the second born is legally considered the elder, on the pre-scientific "first in, last out" principle! As if that fertilized egg had been shoved to the far end of the womb by the second one. Can any of you folks verify this? Googling is no help on this vital issue of cross-cultural understanding.

That pre-scientific idea is fairly widespread among common people, but it does not have a legal value I think. Anyhow, believe it or not, I cannot find a definitive answer to your question even googling in Italian! 

The most serious reference I can find is this FAQ in the website of an important governative Health Institution:

www.iss.it/gemelli/index.php?lang=1&id=1329&tipo=61

I translate for you the first paragraph:

There is no "bigger" or "older" in a twin pair. From the point of view of birth-registration, in Italy, in the Certificates of Attendance at birth (CedAP) in case of a twin childbirth the order of birth counts. So there is a first-born, a second-born, etc... 

(In the other paragraphs of the text it is explained that scientifically one cannot say who was conceived first.)

So no, the second-born is not considered (legally) the elder in Italy. But I am not even sure that the converse is true. Because I think that this CedAP (a certificate where various information concerning the birth are noted, like malformations and stuff) must be kind of a new thing, and I am not sure about how much of a legal validity it has. At this point I suspect that it is up to the parents to choose the legal order when they go to the city hall to declare the newborns.   
 

[drakeborough]

Jun 10, 2017 22:04:01 GMT Baar Baar Jinx said:

He also acknowledges that Scrooge meeting Goldie during the Dawson Gold Rush makes them both impossibly old in any present-day story, but says they "have plans" to explain that.

I think they will do like in most modern duck comics (and in the original DuckTales) and use a pseudo-"floating timeline" in which only the present floates, while the Klondike Gold Rush doesn't floate and remains in the late 1890's where it should be. This has the unfortunate implication of making Scrooge seem as if he were actually 150 years old, and that's one of the reasons I dislike this pseudo-"floating timeline" and prefer the present to be the 1950's. That said, I think that if we can't have the 1950's then the pseudo-"floating timeline" is the lesser of evils, giving that the alternatives are either removing Scrooge's Klondike background or postponing the date of an historical event by several decades.

Jun 10, 2017 22:04:01 GMT Baar Baar Jinx said:

And the Cornelius Coot statue will appear.

Good to hear that. Plus, the statue already made a cameo in the original DuckTales.

Jun 10, 2017 22:04:01 GMT Baar Baar Jinx said:

And Gyro's little helper's name is going to officially be "Li'l Bulb"? Is that the first time he's been given that name in English?

He was also called Little Bulb in the original DuckTales.

Jun 11, 2017 3:45:53 GMT Baar Baar Jinx said:

And now we get this ...

yoshimickster asked:
Any plans for Donald's mom Hortense, and his awesomely named dad Quackmore?

Angones: We are very familiar with the Duck family tree.

... and, for however briefly, my faith is suddenly restored.

I still suspect that the family secret that causes the Scrooge and Donald estrangement on this show has something to do with Donald's parents and/or Della (what else could it be? It can't have anything to do with ancient Clan McDuck history). What direction they'll go with that I'm not sure. 

I'm all for Matilda, Hortense, Quackmore and Della making an appearance, but since Angones previously said they had no plans for them yet then I think they won't be the solution to a story arc that starts in the first episode. Maybe the family secret is that Scrooge and Donald lost contact because of an adventure in which the latter risked his life, or something that doesn't involve the missing relatives.

Jun 11, 2017 6:21:24 GMT Monkey_Feyerabend said:

I like all the characters' designs revealed so far. Giving a new look to characters is clearly an important aspect of the series. And if you do that with too much constraints you go nowhere.

I am puzzled by this. Gyro has had a certain design in the comics for 65 years, and kept the same design in all his animated appearances (including the old DuckTales), in the video games, and in all merchandising. Randomly giving him a new look and personality for no reason, just because changing things "is clearly an important aspect of the series" doesn't seem like the greatest idea to me. Not that this means there aren't other things of the series that I enjoy.

Jun 11, 2017 6:35:09 GMT Monkey_Feyerabend said:

Jun 9, 2017 14:16:56 GMT drakeborough said:

Well, the last episode of Storia e Gloria should not be taken as representative of the Italian "continuity" of the time, since it shows weird things like Scrooge born during the Klondike Gold Rush, with Scrooge's father (rather than Scrooge himself) participating to it. Not that there ever was a fixed continuity in Italian stories, but Scrooge's background as a Klondike prospector was a running theme in plenty of Italian stories of the time, and is still a running theme today. Scrooge and Rockerduck being born at the same time is one of the weirdnesses of that final episode.

Storia and Gloria is not even representative of Martina's continuity (the author of Storia and Gloria), if any. As a matter of facts, Scrooge makes frequent references to when he was a gold seeker in Klondike in Martina's stories.

Well, that's exactly what I was saying, except that I fortgot to mention that Martina himself mentioned Scrooge participating in the Klondike Gold Rush (but that was implicit from my message).

Jun 11, 2017 6:35:09 GMT Monkey_Feyerabend said:

More generally, you guys know what I think: the notion of continuity is a disease in the Disney comics community.

I strongly disagree with this, but to each his own opinion.

[Scrooge MacDuck]

Jun 10, 2017 22:04:01 GMT Baar Baar Jinx said:

And Gyro's little helper's name is going to officially be "Li'l Bulb"? Is that the first time he's been given that name in English?

I couldn't tell you with certainty where (I think it was in some Vic Lockman stories?), but I do know it has been used before.

[drakeborough]

Jun 11, 2017 10:06:49 GMT Scrooge MacDuck said:

Jun 10, 2017 22:04:01 GMT Baar Baar Jinx said:

And Gyro's little helper's name is going to officially be "Li'l Bulb"? Is that the first time he's been given that name in English?

I couldn't tell you with certainty where (I think it was in some Vic Lockman stories?), but I do know it has been used before.

I don't know if that name has ever been used in American comics, but the English Wikipedia has been saying for many years that "Little Helper appears alongside Gyro in the animated series DuckTales. He is called Little Bulb in the series, which is compatible with the Brazilian name for the character - Lampadinha - informal diminutive of Lâmpada (lamp), in Portuguese. Also in Dutch, he is called "Lampje" (little lamp) and Filament in French."

In Italian comics he is known as Edi (an homage to Edison).

[Scroogerello]

Jun 11, 2017 3:45:53 GMT Baar Baar Jinx said:

And now we get this ...

yoshimickster asked:
Any plans for Donald's mom Hortense, and his awesomely named dad Quackmore?

Angones: We are very familiar with the Duck family tree.

I don't think the whole "continuity" and "canon"- obsessed world of DR's stories would fit a new DuckTales series at all. Sticking to a definite family tree would limit the series from using or introducing new family members in the future.
In fact, on the topic of DR's role in DuckTales, this message was published on his official Facebook page after the trailer came out:

No, I don't know if aspects of the "DuckTales" teaser trailer are taken from Don's stories (even though it does seem so). In any case, even if they were, Don wouldn't know anything about it. Disney can do whatever they want with the material, without asking or consulting with Don. It's their legal property. So I don't think it's necessary to ask for his opinion about it. 8) How would you feel if you never received any royalties for your million-selling books (while everyone thinks you must be a millionaire) and now a major tv show freely takes elements from them without you having any knowledge of whether it'll at least actually represent what you had in mind? (That's a rhetorical question.) -- Jano

I mean...What? There are countless examples of authors who were not happy with the way their work was adapted into film...but does Rosa even belong to this category? He didn't create any of those characters, and it doesn't seem any storylines were directly taken from his stories at all (and if they were, that's perfectly legal, and wasn't Rosa aware of this when he worked under the Disney license?).

But, anyway, it does demonstrate that Rosa probably wouldn't want them to be inspired by his material. Perhaps it's best for the show if they just stay away from Rosa's work. It's not like they wouldn't be able to do a new DuckTales series without it.

[Scroogerello]

Also, I like the fact that Gladstone Gander and Ma Beagle will be appearing in the show. Looks like Gladstone's role will be closer to that in the original stories.

Kinda silly how Gyro now has a bow tie added to his design, and Donald doesn't

[Monkey_Feyerabend]

Jun 11, 2017 9:29:28 GMT drakeborough said:

Jun 11, 2017 6:21:24 GMT Monkey_Feyerabend said:

I like all the characters' designs revealed so far. Giving a new look to characters is clearly an important aspect of the series. And if you do that with too much constraints you go nowhere.

I am puzzled by this. Gyro has had a certain design in the comics for 65 years, and kept the same design in all his animated appearances (including the old DuckTales), in the video games, and in all merchandising. Randomly giving him a new look and personality for no reason, just because changing things "is clearly an important aspect of the series" doesn't seem like the greatest idea to me. Not that this means there aren't other things of the series that I enjoy.

To be clear, it is not "an important aspect" to me. But it looks like it has a certain importance for the creators (I cannot tell if it is for the authors themselves, or for the production, or for the higher spheres of the Disney company). So it is inevitable. Assumed that, it seems to me that they are doing a decent job. In particular I like the way they modernized Gladstone's clothes and hairstyle keeping the concept that Galdstone's clothes and hairstyle represented for Barks when the duck appeared in 1948. A similar thing for Gyro, even if I admit that they intervened kinda radically on him. 

Well, that's exactly what I was saying, except that I fortgot to mention that Martina himself mentioned Scrooge participating in the Klondike Gold Rush (but that was implicit from my message).

Yeah, I was reinforcing the idea that you were expressing.

[Minotaur]

Jun 11, 2017 11:21:32 GMT Scroogerello said:

No, I don't know if aspects of the "DuckTales" teaser trailer are taken from Don's stories (even though it does seem so). In any case, even if they were, Don wouldn't know anything about it. Disney can do whatever they want with the material, without asking or consulting with Don. It's their legal property. So I don't think it's necessary to ask for his opinion about it. 8) How would you feel if you never received any royalties for your million-selling books (while everyone thinks you must be a millionaire) and now a major tv show freely takes elements from them without you having any knowledge of whether it'll at least actually represent what you had in mind? (That's a rhetorical question.) -- Jano

I mean...What? There are countless examples of authors who were not happy with the way their work was adapted into film...but does Rosa even belong to this category? He didn't create any of those characters, and it doesn't seem any storylines were directly taken from his stories at all (and if they were, that's perfectly legal, and wasn't Rosa aware of this when he worked under the Disney license?).

But, anyway, it does demonstrate that Rosa probably wouldn't want them to be inspired by his material. Perhaps it's best for the show if they just stay away from Rosa's work. It's not like they wouldn't be able to do a new DuckTales series without it.

He does.

And the comment is from Jano, the editor of Don Rosa, not himself. 

[Scroogerello]

Jun 11, 2017 11:46:33 GMT Minotaur said:

Jun 11, 2017 11:21:32 GMT Scroogerello said:

I mean...What? There are countless examples of authors who were not happy with the way their work was adapted into film...but does Rosa even belong to this category? He didn't create any of those characters, and it doesn't seem any storylines were directly taken from his stories at all (and if they were, that's perfectly legal, and wasn't Rosa aware of this when he worked under the Disney license?).

But, anyway, it does demonstrate that Rosa probably wouldn't want them to be inspired by his material. Perhaps it's best for the show if they just stay away from Rosa's work. It's not like they wouldn't be able to do a new DuckTales series without it.

He does.

And the comment is from Jano, the editor of Don Rosa, not himself. 

Er...I knew that; I didn't claim the message was written by Rosa himself...
Also, you must have misinterpreted my message; I asked if Rosa was aware of this while he was working for Disney (i.e. while he was creating stories). And it was a rhetorical question; it seems fairly obvious that he did.

[drakeborough]

Jun 11, 2017 11:21:32 GMT Scroogerello said:

I don't think the whole "continuity" and "canon"- obsessed world of DR's stories would fit a new DuckTales series at all.

In my opinion "obsessed" is not the correct word. Anyway, I know that the show won't be an adaptation of Rosa's world (if not minimally), but this doesn't mean that Rosa's stories wouldn't fit well the medium of television.

Jun 11, 2017 11:21:32 GMT Scroogerello said:

He didn't create any of those characters, and it doesn't seem any storylines were directly taken from his stories at all (and if they were, that's perfectly legal, and wasn't Rosa aware of this when he worked under the Disney license?).

This seems needlessy harsh. Maybe you didn't want to imply that, but it almost seems you are saying that he deserved to be exploited because he was aware of the unfair Disney system and yet kept working in it for many years.

Jun 11, 2017 11:41:22 GMT Monkey_Feyerabend said:

In particular I like the way they modernized Gladstone's clothes and hairstyle keeping the concept that Galdstone's clothes and hairstyle represented for Barks when the duck appeared in 1948. A similar thing for Gyro, even if I admit that they intervened kinda radically on him.

Gladstone's redesign is fine (it took me a while to even notice the difference), but Gyro's redesign is really ugly.

Jun 11, 2017 11:41:22 GMT Monkey_Feyerabend said:

Well, that's exactly what I was saying, except that I fortgot to mention that Martina himself mentioned Scrooge participating in the Klondike Gold Rush (but that was implicit from my message).

Yeah, I was reinforcing the idea that you were expressing.

It makes sense.

[Minotaur]

Jun 11, 2017 11:57:36 GMT Scroogerello said:

Jun 11, 2017 11:46:33 GMT Minotaur said:

He does.

And the comment is from Jano, the editor of Don Rosa, not himself. 

Er...I knew that; I didn't claim the message was written by Rosa himself...
Also, you must have misinterpreted my message; I asked if Rosa was aware of this while he was working for Disney (i.e. while he was creating stories). And it was a rhetorical question; it seems fairly obvious that he did.

Yeah, it does sound like Jano's comment is more or less close to Rosa's own opinion on this topic. I don't know. He didn't pop up and clarify his own opinion as he occasionally does. But maybe he just doesn't care. 

[Baar Baar Jinx]

Jun 11, 2017 12:36:34 GMT Minotaur said:

Jun 11, 2017 11:57:36 GMT Scroogerello said:

Er...I knew that; I didn't claim the message was written by Rosa himself...
Also, you must have misinterpreted my message; I asked if Rosa was aware of this while he was working for Disney (i.e. while he was creating stories). And it was a rhetorical question; it seems fairly obvious that he did.

Yeah, it does sound like Jano's comment is more or less close to Rosa's own opinion on this topic. I don't know. He didn't pop up and clarify his own opinion as he occasionally does. But maybe he just doesn't care. 

Listen to Rosa's comments in this video, at around the 4:30 mark; it's clear that he is very, very resistant to the idea of Disney doing any adaptation of his work.  He knows he can't stop them if they choose to do so, but won't help them in any way. He's bitter about the whole Disney system, and wants nothing to do with the company. I've often wondered why the writers of this new DuckTales series never tried to get Rosa involved; now I suspect that they probably did and were rebuffed.

[The KKM]

I've a feeling there'll be time travel involved. Scrooge and Goldie probably hopped forwards in time somehow and that'll be part of the big mystery of the family, dunno. Or maybe instead some old spell that makes them age slower or something. Point being, I've a feeling that as part of the "sanitise Scrooge by replacing the greedyness with thirst for adventure" idea they've got going, the elements of mystery and adventure will get heightened importance (in a similar way to Gravity Falls), and questions we're used to just ignoring in the comics like these will get used as fodder for mysteries and further mystical events.

[Scrooge MacDuck]

Jun 11, 2017 11:41:22 GMT Monkey_Feyerabend said:

Jun 11, 2017 9:29:28 GMT drakeborough said:

I am puzzled by this. Gyro has had a certain design in the comics for 65 years, and kept the same design in all his animated appearances (including the old DuckTales), in the video games, and in all merchandising. Randomly giving him a new look and personality for no reason, just because changing things "is clearly an important aspect of the series" doesn't seem like the greatest idea to me. Not that this means there aren't other things of the series that I enjoy.

To be clear, it is not "an important aspect" to me. But it looks like it has a certain importance for the creators (I cannot tell if it is for the authors themselves, or for the production, or for the higher spheres of the Disney company). So it is inevitable. Assumed that, it seems to me that they are doing a decent job. In particular I like the way they modernized Gladstone's clothes and hairstyle keeping the concept that Galdstone's clothes and hairstyle represented for Barks when the duck appeared in 1948. A similar thing for Gyro, even if I admit that they intervened kinda radically on him. 

But it's not a similar thing for Gyro. While Gladstone's new appearance (and, to an extent, Goldie's as well) is indeed a 'modern-day translation' of his original design, Gyro's new appearance is also suited to his new personality, described as "manic". And that's precisely the opposite of the original Barks Gyro, who is a normal, somewhat timid guy for everything but his scientific ability.

[Baar Baar Jinx]

Jun 11, 2017 13:38:00 GMT The KKM said:

I've a feeling there'll be time travel involved. Scrooge and Goldie probably hopped forwards in time somehow and that'll be part of the big mystery of the family, dunno. Or maybe instead some old spell that makes them age slower or something. Point being, I've a feeling that as part of the "sanitise Scrooge by replacing the greedyness with thirst for adventure" idea they've got going, the elements of mystery and adventure will get heightened importance (in a similar way to Gravity Falls), and questions we're used to just ignoring in the comics like these will get used as fodder for mysteries and further mystical events.

Ugh. I hope not. I know nothing about Gravity Falls, but the Ducks haven't ever been time travelers from the past or mystical beings not subject to the normal laws of biology or aging. If they go that route, this show will bear no resemblance whatsoever to the comics or even the original series.  I'd almost rather they rewrote Scrooge's history than do something radical like that. Plus, if Scrooge and Goldie are ancient (by whatever means), will the traditional relationship between the individual Duck family members change? Will they make Scrooge Donald's great-great-granduncle?  I doubt they will, I think they'll probably just go with the lazy "floating timeline" theory drakeborough described above.